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2010/12/17 19:08:36 (permalink)
Just a quick heads up guys i got hit with the atx burn out running gtx285s as my sig states
I will post some pictures later but luckily only cable damage

 
 
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/17 19:11:52 (permalink)
    post pics asap, your sig is not capable of it imo

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/17 19:55:35 (permalink)
    -panic-------[285's sli only-stock] then spots your  third card in sig.
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/17 20:00:43 (permalink)
    Im out shopping with the wife so ill post pics when im home and have the rig running again
    Can't seem to post pics with the android
    post edited by fusionssl - 2010/12/18 05:50:11

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 00:28:28 (permalink)
    pics
     
    i recon i got away with it, having 2 atx extension leads saved my mobo
     
    you can see on one of the atx connectors in the pics has hardly any burn marks the first 2 took the melt down
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 02:22:14 (permalink)
    id like to see the pci power insert for sale now and available world wide

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 02:29:38 (permalink)
    Interesting.

    Doing anything particular that you recall when it happened?

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 02:37:12 (permalink)
    no not really, ive been using the rig as normal mainly bfbc2, but for the last 2 weeks i have been working away and the wife has been using this rig as i have had my laptop with me, well she was getting constant shutdowns and she was only on the net shopping,
    i believe it was just from gaming.

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 03:44:12 (permalink)
    EVGA need to give these things away for free for those owning boards they claimed could run Tri SLi plus physX if they cant even handle 2 200 series cards in SLI with a 3rd card for PhysX.

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 05:02:58 (permalink)
    yer im sort of hearing you molten, i do hope evga make these insert's available world wide as i really don't want to get my soldering iron out of my work truck to do the mod myself, id rather the mobo stay untouched

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 05:06:18 (permalink)
    we did receive a huge power bill last week, i put it down to the pool but now i know why

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 05:14:12 (permalink)
    So it is not just limited 400-500 cards that burn up 24 pin connector, seems it can happen on any set of cards. Again all this info from certain members saying you won't have a problem unless a certain set of circumstances happens is not true. Like Shamino warned over 1 1/2 2 years ago there is a power problem in the pci-e lanes that needs to be addressed. These molex powerboosters need to go out asap and for free.

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 06:24:08 (permalink)
    What is the quality and AWG of the extension cable would be my concern. The longer the run from PSU to 24 pin mobo connector the lower the amperage delivered add to that small gauge wire and the problem is compounded. This too is a reason I'm not a fan of multiple rail PSU's yours has 6 rails and just 30 amps on the 24 pin rail is border line. Of course this is just my opinion so take it for hat it's worth. For sure Nvidia has been pushing the limits with High TDP and you should be aware that current motherboards are engineered to deliver 300 watts TDP to the PCIe slots max in there I think you can see the limitation. This is why the enthusiast boards get upgraded VRM PWM even heavier weight copper PCB's but all that increases the cost as you are well aware. Considering your motherboard is why I have to point the finger elsewhere  it is built for the task you are throwing at it and I suspect the weakness is elsewhere.

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 06:49:01 (permalink)
    Is this limited to a model board or is it all x58 evga boards?


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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:11:48 (permalink)
    fanboy

    Is this limited to a model board or is it all x58 evga boards?

    the sr2 the 4 way and the new classy all have supplemental power connectors to the pcie lanes all the others dont

     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:16:04 (permalink)
     you would be the first to report this on a 200 series gpu setup.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:17:36 (permalink)
    i'm glad i bought the 4 way after reading this O.O


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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:23:11 (permalink)
    I'm still patiently waiting on a fix we were told about months ago Would like to run my 3rd 480 on my replacement 759, but if I cant, I've got 3 days of step up left on it !!! Sorry to hear about your "meltdown".

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:29:39 (permalink)
    this sucks and all, but i dont see any damage to the actual motherboard, the extensions and such are mauled but the board seems fine?

     

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 11:59:27 (permalink)
    probaly a bad extention imo. could be a psu issues as well. the hype over this issues has just been blown out of proportion. the issue presents its self from heavy gpu oc's not stock. imo fluff (people worrying a bit to much) not defective mb either, there built to spec and sure some are better than others (classifieds vs standard x58) no oc is 100% nor does any mb manufacture support oc 100%. (example they will not say garanteed 4ghz oc on cpu and high gpu oc)
     
    blaiming evga is non sence imo. thats like saying well i overclocked my cpu and blew my imc, so intel made a faulty cpu.
     
    the powerboost will fix the issue at high gpu oc's with the newer gpu series 400/500 due to there enormous power draw. nvidia states the max watts for there gpu's, but thats stock. overclock a 400/500 series gpu and you can suck 300w easy through the slots/gpu.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 12:22:26 (permalink)
    Yeah guys, a year ago ppls were pointing to 5850s and 5870s causing this, and saying don't get one because. This prob was first spotted with 5870s as far as I could tell. So now I find it slightly humorous that we are all 'in the same boat' so-to-speak.

    About the plug failures, I do this sort of repair for industrial machinery (decade of experience), and I can tell you this doesn't usually happen just overnight. Most likely the failure started while he was playing his 3D game a lot, and was on the verge of failure when he went away. You see what happens is usually there is just a little loose spring tension on a socket, and not much actual (microscopic) contact area. That causes heat, when it gets hot enough the spring tension relaxes due to metal becoming annealed (more?), and the heat also causes a reverse bending (heat on the inside of the socket is more than on the outside of the socket, expanding it). That causes less contact area, which causes more heat, and the process snowballs. Once the arcs begin, it's too late in seconds, the plating melts off and it's all over. Like I say, it can be a process that takes place in minutes, hours, days, or even weeks. Perhaps we should all check our plugs now? The trouble with that is just doing so could loosen the socket just enough to start a heat problem. One can temporarily fix the problem by re-tensioning the socket if it is not too burnt. Do this only at your own risk, don't blame me if you wreck it. If you smash the socket too much, just do your best to re-shape it. The seam in the metal should be almost touching the other side, or even touching, if it looks like the seam is starting to come apart, in a "V" shape, like this:



    then the socket is loose and will develop problems if it is passing a lot of amperage. (If it looks anywhere near that bad you have a big problem.)
     
    These plugs were not designed to carry as much current as they are now. They were OK before vid cards started drawing so much power. The mobo manufacturers should adopt a new standard for power connections for the newer vid cards, or the vid cards themselves should stop drawing so much power from the mobo, via alternate plugs like they tried - it's not working properly.
     
     
    EDIT: OK during my shower just now I just came up with a hypothesis explaining why this only happens to some of us, and what we might do to mitigate the problem (other than the fixes we have heard)! Unfortunately, such a long explanation (I don't type fast) will take me at least a couple of hours, and I won't have the time to do so until Monday or Tuesday, maybe even later if my work picks up. When I do, I will post this on "General Hardware" as it is not exclusive to X58 boards.
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 17:15:30 (permalink)
    the extension leads were all good quality and well fitting, to say that my gpus could not draw that current is an absurd comment unless it was measured and they obviously did i have the extension leads to prove it
    i haven't come here and flamed Evga , just to show its not just gtx480s,
    also its not the wire causing these failure's its the terminal connectors that were nether designed for this kind of current draw

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 17:53:13 (permalink)
    your buying into the hysteria, the 285's dont draw anywhere near as much power as a 480, let alone an OC'ed 480. your board is not damaged, its just the extensions. if your board was damaged it would be a completely diff story, but the GTX 285 has been out for almost two years ago and this is the first incident with melting stuff that ive seen. TBH, yes there is a problem but it only applied to SLI and above for the 4xx and 5xx series 

     

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/18 18:18:15 (permalink)
    maybe and maybe not were talking about 2 gtx 285 2gb cards o,c to 702mhz and a 9800gtx + phisx pushing a res or 3840 x 1024
    the resson there was no damage to the mobo atx connector is the fact that the first week points where in the atx pins and the first ones in line took the hit, i dont belive i would have 2 bad pins on the 2 differant 12v tracks (it hasnt melted on only the same 12v input but on pin 10 and 11
    also im not into the hysteria just showing what can happen,

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/19 03:52:52 (permalink)
    ok i took another picture to show my layout, i understand that some of you guys dont believe my rig can draw that much current to melt the atx connectors and i thought that to!!!
     
    2010-12-19_21-27-27_288.jpg
     
    but as you can see its not isolated at 1 pin, if it was you could say bad pin, loose connection or the like's,
    but its at 2 lead connection points and on pins 10 and 11 on all connectors
    if it was 1 bad pin the damage would be at that pin only because as you say my rig isn't capable of drawing that much power, but its at 2 connection points and on 2 tracks witch suggest to me that it was pulling way higher than expected,
    in bfbc2 i usually see both my 285 running @97% load so they are thirsty girls

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/19 09:35:07 (permalink)
    Once the first pin fails, the load falls to the 2nd pin and fries it.  (If they share a common connection on the mobo).
     
    Take a good read of the Weed's post if you haven't already.
     
    Also after a failure like this, take a really good look at the mobo pins.  They may be contaminated by soot or even melted plastic.  That can interfere with the connection to the new molex plug and start the problem all over again.
     
    *bleep* I hate *bleeping* molex connectors.  I've lost count of the failures on my VME test cages.  I usually give up, cut the connectors off, and solder the PSU wires directly to the board's pins.  Not recommending that here...
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/20 08:35:55 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure that there are others who had the melting pin problem using 480/580's and their mobo survived.  Sure there is the possiblity that this one scenario could be unrelated, but it at least merits a closer look.  With all the reports of this happening now, this could have HUGE reprecussions for the EVGA community when you think about how many people have 280+ cards in SLI. 


      

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/20 16:58:14 (permalink)
    Please look at my thread here:
    24-pin ATX power plug meltdowns: Need user data from unaffected computers
    I have a theory about why and what we can do to determine our risk.

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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2010/12/20 18:52:51 (permalink)
    Yet i know that i should not have this issue but im still a little nervous while gaming
    I have replaced the case lead and back running sli and no phisx card
    But i have the rear side panel off so i can keep an eye on that connector and it does get hot
    post edited by fusionssl - 2010/12/20 23:09:24

     
     
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    Re:Atx melt down with gtx 285sli 2011/01/04 17:50:24 (permalink)
    i really think this is more a connection problem more than anything else. I just heard about this, and damn near sh%t my pants. i just put 2 evga 470's in sli with a bfg gtx 280 for dedicated physx in my system with a 790i ftw board!!
     
    THANKFULLY, after running some benchmarks, to load the cards, for about an hour, no heat, no melting, nothing. weird.
    and there was no evidence of heating or melting at all.
    post edited by bicycledr4376 - 2011/01/04 17:55:55

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