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2010/09/16 12:06:10 (permalink)
Question: since i have alot of my unit overclocked 20% or more and have a 800 Watts - XtremeGear Gaming Power Supply, i need to know that if i add another gtx 470 and overclock that if it's going to create a problem power wise? My last unit with a 900watt supply was overkill so i tried not to have as much power this time, now i'm wondering if i shot myself in the foot. Let me know please!
 
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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 12:43:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
If your overclocking all your components more than likely. 800W is at the extreme low end to be running stock 470's sli. Look here for a list of certified power supplies that can run it.
http://www.slizone.com/ob../slizone_build_psu.html

To see how big you should go you can use this to get a rough estimate of power usage
http://www.antec.outervision.com/

I would recommend at least a 1000W psu if your overclocking and depending that might be on the conservative side

Just remember to leave yourself about 20% overhead on your psu. If you have a 800 W psu and youre using 770W even though it can handle it it will shorten the life and If there is a spike in usage it could damage the system




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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 12:47:16 (permalink)
Here is a review of 470's power usage
http://www.guru3d.com/art...-2-3-way-sli-review/23

At load 2 470's use almost 600W alone and thats without the overclocks you want to do. That wouldnt leave very much room for the rest of your components



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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 12:58:22 (permalink)
Many thanks for the replies!!!
I'm just wondering if it's better to just keep the 800w and wait for it to die or replace it now. everything is wired so perfectly and i havnt replaced a psu before. oh the joys of gaming computers!

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 13:18:27 (permalink)
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Many thanks for the replies!!!
I'm just wondering if it's better to just keep the 800w and wait for it to die or replace it now. everything is wired so perfectly and i havnt replaced a psu before. oh the joys of gaming computers!


If you are SLIing then im not sure I would suggest it. If you look around the forum there are way too many psu blow ups that destroy whole systems. Its not that the psu would be in danger its the rest of the computer that I would worry about. Another option is to leave the 800 and get another psu and wire one or both cards to that. Its not the best of options but it is one



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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 13:21:08 (permalink)
Get a new PSU, a high quality one this time.  Low end power supplies usually can't output they're rated wattage within specification.  Best case scenario, shortened lifespan of your components.  Worst case scenario, the PSU dies and takes the rest of your system with it.  The Silverstone Strider Plus 1000W is a great value with lots of headroom for a GTX 470 SLI rig.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 13:28:18 (permalink)
Is replacing the PSU a difficult challenge? i payed for professional wiring on my unit and i'm worried about having to undo all those wires? i do have a 900watt unit in my other PC and i could potentially swap them out if it isnt a really hard issue

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 13:32:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Just because it is called a 900W power supply doesn't mean it's any good or capable of 900W continuous power.  What kind of power supply is it?  Yes you'll have to unplug all of the wires going to your power supply, unscrew it, take it out, screw in the new one, connect everything and you should do a good cable management job for looks and so that they don't block airflow.  Keep as many cables as you can zip tied to the back of the motherboard tray.  The Silverstone Strider Plus 1000W only has modular cable connections - you plug them into the power supply.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 14:14:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Rewiring isnt hard but it is time consuming and depending on how clean you want it it might be a headache but a clean wiring job is worth it. I actually enjoyed switching out my 750W to my 1200W because it was the first psu I did myself. It really is a good learning experience



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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 14:17:14 (permalink)
Never save money on a PSU. I just bought a BeQuiet Dark Power Pro 900W for my GTX470 SLI system. Most expensive brand but worth every cent, their quality and 48 hour replacement service in case of a fail always convinced me.
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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 14:20:57 (permalink)
i guess the problem is i have never had a problem with the PSU, i guess i'll upgrade when i buy the second gpu, but it's running fine as it is. and since i dont usually have a computer longer than 3 years it's never been an issue. I appreciate all the help!

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 15:10:56 (permalink)
I just ordered this unit....

CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-950TX 950W ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013&Tpk=Corsair%20CMPSU-950TX

Hope it was a good move!!!!

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 15:12:31 (permalink)
It was a good move.  Not top of the line but very good, and a very affordable power house right there.  Cable management will be a nightmare though.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 15:16:26 (permalink)
Crap, lol i get all antsy and reviews for Corsair seemed pretty good, the price was awesome so i just clicked away.

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 15:39:57 (permalink)
I have that same psu dedicated to 3 470's.  Its a great psu for the money.  Single rail too.

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 15:57:47 (permalink)
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Here is a review of 470's power usage
http://www.guru3d.com/art...-2-3-way-sli-review/23

At load 2 470's use almost 600W alone and thats without the overclocks you want to do. That wouldnt leave very much room for the rest of your components


In that review they show each GTX 470 as using 227 watts peak. I arrived that that by subtracting the TRI SLI peak watts at 794 by the dual SLI of 567 watts. That is at stock clocks. With clocks over 800 on the core and higher memory clocks you could easily exceed 275 watts per GPU. In any event, I don't understand this continual discussion in thread after thread (not you) of advising 'just enough' to get by. The fact is running your PSU in the range of 50-70 percent is in its most efficient range. With the power draw of high end computers going with a larger more efficient PSU will pay for itself in reduced electrical costs and a cooler running system will likely last you longer as heat causes deteriorating function over time.
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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 17:11:45 (permalink)
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I have that same psu dedicated to 3 470's.  Its a great psu for the money.  Single rail too.


You say that like it has real benefits.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 17:36:49 (permalink)
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I have that same psu dedicated to 3 470's.  Its a great psu for the money.  Single rail too.


You say that like it has real benefits.


Well one real benifit is you don't need to balance the load on the rails.

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 17:38:19 (permalink)
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I have that same psu dedicated to 3 470's.  Its a great psu for the money.  Single rail too.


You say that like it has real benefits.


Well one real benifit is you don't need to balance the load on the rails.


You don't have to do that on power supplies with well thought out rail distribution anyway.  Sadly there isn't a large number of these units, and that benefit is the only one.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/16 18:04:54 (permalink)
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The main benefit for me is that it has enough power to handle 3 470's with heavy overclocks.  I like the single rail and it was cheaper for me to go with a dedi psu instead of one huge psu to power it all.  My rig has grown beyond the chassis with the chiller and all (check mods rigs).  So yes, for me it has 'real' benefits with 79 amps on a single rail.

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/17 08:36:23 (permalink)
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Great_Shovel

Here is a review of 470's power usage
http://www.guru3d.com/art...-2-3-way-sli-review/23

At load 2 470's use almost 600W alone and thats without the overclocks you want to do. That wouldnt leave very much room for the rest of your components


In that review they show each GTX 470 as using 227 watts peak. I arrived that that by subtracting the TRI SLI peak watts at 794 by the dual SLI of 567 watts. That is at stock clocks. With clocks over 800 on the core and higher memory clocks you could easily exceed 275 watts per GPU. In any event, I don't understand this continual discussion in thread after thread (not you) of advising 'just enough' to get by. The fact is running your PSU in the range of 50-70 percent is in its most efficient range. With the power draw of high end computers going with a larger more efficient PSU will pay for itself in reduced electrical costs and a cooler running system will likely last you longer as heat causes deteriorating function over time.


If you look in sigep's original post he says he likes to overclock stuff by 20%. That could possibly put him in the danger area on power usage depending on his psu. I dont remember if the review the usage graphs were the whole system or just the cards but either way when your talking that kind of hardware its better to be safe than sorry

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Just looked and the review was the power draw of the whole system but either way I would still worry
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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/17 09:05:58 (permalink)
Don't forget those graphs are power draw at the AC source.  After calculating efficiency power draw from the PSU will be approximately 15% less.  A quality 800W PSU will be more than enough for SLI'd GTX470's......be it single rail or multi.

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 17:35:47 (permalink)
Is this clean enough? :)


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 17:38:39 (permalink)
It can be cleaner, that's what the holes are for on the motherboard tray.  To get the cables back there and secure them back there for better looks and air circulation.  But if it works it works.


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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 17:48:45 (permalink)
Yea thats really good considering its all in front of the tray. If you dont feel like hassling with it any more it wont cause any problem



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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 17:49:36 (permalink)
i think i'm done, i was pretty dang impressed with myself for a few fleeting seconds lol

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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 17:53:02 (permalink)
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Re:GTX 470 SLI Power question 2010/09/21 18:13:43 (permalink)
damn... lol

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Monitor: VIEWSONIC VX2835WM 28" LCD (1920 x 1200 )
OS: Windows 7 64-bit  Pro // Inputs:  Logitech G15/G9x




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