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2018/12/18 11:45:13 (permalink)
I just received two EVGA RTX 2080s and the EVGA NVLink bridge.
I installed both of them on the two PCIe3 X16 slots I have available (confirmed using GPU-Z).
I installed the NVLink bridge.
I updated Windows 10 to 1809 (Enterprise, 64bit, LTSC 2019, Build 17763.107)
I installed the latest NVIDIA Driver (417.35) - did "Clean Install"
 
When I go to NVIDIA Control Panel, the SLI option is not present, only the PhysX sub-menu exists.
 
Physically, I know both PCIe Slots are a part of the same PCIe root complex - I am able to run two Quadro P2000s in TCC and perform direct (dev-to-dev) cudaMemcpys - confirmed using NSIGHT, yes I had a 3rd GPU for display. Also, this would not be possible if the PCIe devices were on different roots.
 
Any ideas from the community as to why the NVIDIA Driver is not exposing the SLI option?
 
Thanks, in advance.
post edited by juannunez - 2018/12/18 16:17:03
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 11:49:08 (permalink)
    What are your full hardware specs? Perhaps you ran out of PCIe lanes? Does your motherboard have PCIe dip switches? Make sure they are all enabled. 

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 12:03:09 (permalink)
    Some Motherboards do not support SLI and only support CrossFire.

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 12:07:30 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
    Some Motherboards do not support SLI and only support CrossFire.


    +1.  That, or depending on the CPU you have, if it doesn't have enough lanes available, your 2nd GPU slot may only have 4 lanes which won't work for SLI.  8 lanes or higher for each GPU to enable SLI.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 12:10:21 (permalink)
    I don't think it's a lane issue - both are running Gen3 @x16, confirmed this with GPU-Z.
     
    @
    - I read that, but what does that actually mean? There is nothing on the MB, that I am aware of, that would prevent NVLINK/SLI since data is all going over the bridge. Plus, the other means of GPU communication is over PCIe, and I've already established that they are on the same PCIe topology.
     
    @, Since you asked - you wont be impressed:
    - Single Intel Xeon E5-1650 V4
    - 32GB DDR4
    - 480GB SSD HyperX Savage
    - HP Z640 Workstation with the HP 710325-002 Motherboard.
    -- External 700W PwrSupply dedicated to two GPUs.
    -- Stock PwrSupply to drive MB and other peripherals
    - Two EVGA NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2080 XC with EVGA NVLink
     
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 12:17:18 (permalink)
    Have you asked about RTX Support from HP?
    Did you run SLI on your Quadro Cards?
    Have you also update the Bios on the Motherboard?
    SLI connector Quadro Sync connector (compatible with Quadro II Sync) Not the same as Gaming SLI
    http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400040.pdf 
    Is this in use "One 8-pin auxiliary power connector"
    Requires one free mechanical PCIe bus slot. 6-pin PCI or SATA power connector
    Must be used with NVIDIA Quadro P4000, P5000 or P6000 graphics cards.
    Requires Quadro driver version R375 or later.
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 12:41:23 (permalink)
    Sounds like you may have a faulty bridge, or one of the nvlink fingers on one the cards is faulty. Time to test the cards and bridge in another pc.
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 13:26:18 (permalink)
    Looks to me like it does not support SLI. 

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 16:15:36 (permalink)
    Just a quick response to a few who commented:
    @bcavnaugh: I don't have an SLI Bridge for the quadros, unfortunately.
    -- I don't see why the BIOS would have anything to do with how the Drivers make use of the PCIe communication or the NVLink Bridge (NVIDIA proprietary).
     
    @SprayingMango: Are you saying it's the system HW or the RTX 2080s? 
    - FYI: Using the two Quadro P2000s, in TCC, I was able to copy 1GB from one GPU to the other, on average, of 130ms. I did this in both directions, each direction 500 times, back-to-back. That's ~7.5GiBytes per second over PCIe. So the MoBo has no issues with throughput over PCIe - NVLink doesn't even use PCIe (that's the point).
     
    @Sajin:
    - Maybe you're right; faulty GPUs and/or Bridge.... *ugh*. Or it could be a compatibility issue with the Driver & MoBo *bigger ugh*.
     
    For those interested, I did post this question on the NVIDIA forum: [Sorry, for whatever reason the link is being stripped out - just go to NVIDIA GeForce forum and search (same topic title)]

     
    If anyone has other suggestions let me know. If I make any progress, I'll update the post.
     
    Thanks to all. 
     
    post edited by juannunez - 2018/12/18 16:20:22
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 17:18:34 (permalink)
    There is a way to get 2080/2080 Ti's working without the bridge...
     
    My results...
     
    2080 Ti SLi without the nvlink bridge & modded drivers:
     

     
    2080 Ti SLi with the nvlink bridge along with the modded drivers:
     

     
    Will post a run with just normal drivers + nvlink bridge here in a sec...
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 17:32:14 (permalink)
    normal drivers + nvlink bridge:
     

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 17:32:53 (permalink)
    Sajin
    There is a way to get 2080/2080 Ti's working without the bridge...
     

     
    Thanks for the suggestions Sajin - But for my purposes, I actually need the NVLink bridge to have full access to both of the GPU's Frame Buffer (FB) memory. The SLI feature, by itself, does't give programmers access to the FB Memory, it's more a driver level feature that NVIDIA takes advantage of.
     
    I am looking into hacked drivers to see if that helps.
     
    Cheers.
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 17:34:49 (permalink)
    Then it sounds like you need to go quadro as the 20 series cards don't add up the fb in the new nvlink sli.
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 17:47:58 (permalink)
    Just more info that may help others when looking at HW specs.
     
    Thanks to bcavnaugh for linking the HP Spec for my particular system.
    bcavnaugh
     


    See attached images:
    • The HP Z640 Spec Sheet gives the PCIe topology. By looking at this, I see that there are two x16 slots and one x8 slot directly connected to the CPU (the root complex with regards to PCIe). So the two x16 slots can directly talk to one-another.
    • The Intel CPU Specs tell me (Under Expansion Options) that the CPU itself (again the PCIe root complex) supports 40 PCIe lanes going directly to it. For my purpose/use, the MoBo gives me 2-x16 slots and 1-x8 slot. This is <= the 40 lanes supported by the CPU. So, I am in the clear with full PCIe lane communication with the CPU (Root Complex) and between the two x16 devices.
    • Note the PCIe2 slots off the Intel C612. I don't know the impact to the PCIe topology if you have 3-PCIe3 devices + one or more PCIe2 devices.
     
     

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 18:32:11 (permalink)
    @bcavnaugh: I don't have an SLI Bridge for the quadros, unfortunately.
    -- I don't see why the BIOS would have anything to do with how the Drivers make use of the PCIe communication or the NVLink Bridge (NVIDIA proprietary).
     
    But only that the Bios can impact the Graphics Cards
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 18:51:53 (permalink)
    I had same problem with NVLink bridge from EVGA ( https://imgur.com/a/vMnMD7k). Check your bridge first then start looking for other solutions.


     

     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 18:57:11 (permalink)
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    I had same problem with NVLink bridge from EVGA ( https://imgur.com/a/vMnMD7k). Check your bridge first then start looking for other solutions.


    I do not think anyone would use a Bridge looking like this.
    Did you ever test to see if it Worked or not?


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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 19:04:05 (permalink)
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    I had same problem with NVLink bridge from EVGA ( https://imgur.com/a/vMnMD7k). Check your bridge first then start looking for other solutions.


    I do not think anyone would use a Bridge looking like this.
    Did you ever test to see if it Worked or not?



    Green led was working but u cant enable sli. I didnt notice this at all.


     

     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 19:08:02 (permalink)
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    I had same problem with NVLink bridge from EVGA ( https://imgur.com/a/vMnMD7k). Check your bridge first then start looking for other solutions.


    I do not think anyone would use a Bridge looking like this.
    Did you ever test to see if it Worked or not?
     


    Green led was working but u cant enable sli. I didnt notice this at all.

    Did you RMA it and get a new one?

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 19:52:34 (permalink)
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    kacan22
    I had same problem with NVLink bridge from EVGA ( https://imgur.com/a/vMnMD7k). Check your bridge first then start looking for other solutions.


    I do not think anyone would use a Bridge looking like this.
    Did you ever test to see if it Worked or not?
     


    Green led was working but u cant enable sli. I didnt notice this at all.

    Did you RMA it and get a new one?


    ofc 3 weeks ago :D all good now.


     

     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/18 20:02:09 (permalink)
    Looks like quado sli is supported...
     

     
    Source: https://www.nvidia.com/ob...-and-motherboards.html
     
    But regular sli isn't... https://h30434.www3.hp.co.../highlight/true#M15668
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 08:55:21 (permalink)
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    Looks like quado sli is supported...
     Source: 
     But regular sli isn't... 



    Thank you for the references. I am still left wondering why they don't work. I accept the the fact that it wont work - maybe I can work around this with a hacked drivers. However, *why*?
     
    What is it about the MoBo that prevents it from working? I am asking to understand and have knowledge. It is one thing to accept the fact. But it is another to want to understand it and learn about it and learn to work with it / around it / find alternatives.
     
    I had to learn about PCIe during my adventure. I head to learn about SLI and NVLink and Cuda. I had to learn about Manufacture of Graphics Cards vs Manufacture of the graphics chips. So on and So on.
     
    I want to continue to learn and understand why one MoBo is "compatible" while another MoBo is not. Why one MoBo can perform like a Ferrari with Quadros but than same MoBo is no better than a Geo Metro with GeForces.
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 10:55:50 (permalink)
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    Looks like quado sli is supported...
     Source: 
     But regular sli isn't... 



    Thank you for the references. I am still left wondering why they don't work. I accept the the fact that it wont work - maybe I can work around this with a hacked drivers. However, *why*?
     
    What is it about the MoBo that prevents it from working? I am asking to understand and have knowledge. It is one thing to accept the fact. But it is another to want to understand it and learn about it and learn to work with it / around it / find alternatives.
     
    I had to learn about PCIe during my adventure. I head to learn about SLI and NVLink and Cuda. I had to learn about Manufacture of Graphics Cards vs Manufacture of the graphics chips. So on and So on.
     
    I want to continue to learn and understand why one MoBo is "compatible" while another MoBo is not. Why one MoBo can perform like a Ferrari with Quadros but than same MoBo is no better than a Geo Metro with GeForces.


    I posted that in https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2899479 above as well.

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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 11:04:50 (permalink)
    This feels very similar to what I went through with professional rendering software my son wanted to learn a few years ago.  We had access to various GTX graphics cards, but the rendering software didn't have drivers for "gaming GPUs".   The software wasn't being marketed toward gaming systems.  Plus, it sure felt like there was some agreement with Nvidia to keep out the much cheaper gaming cards.    Hacked drivers was a possibility for making it work.  We ended up buying a Quadro card that wasn't any more powerful than GTX card we had already, but had driver support. 
     
    Similarly, those professional workstations normally ship with cards that have drivers and support for the software these workstations are designed to run.    No reason for the workstation manufacturer to support gaming GPU's since nobody will be buying these to play games.    Plus at least some of the software they are designed to run doesn't support gaming cards anyway (or didn't). 
     
    As far as your automobile analogy... you can look at it this way.   In a traffic jam in a large city, where cabs have bumper-guards and are not afraid to use them... I'd rather be in a Metro than a Ferrari.   But on the racetrack, I'll take the Ferrari as the best tool for the job.   
     
    Hopefully you will find a solution that works for you!   
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 12:06:55 (permalink)
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    Looks like quado sli is supported...
     Source: 
     But regular sli isn't... 



    Thank you for the references. I am still left wondering why they don't work. I accept the the fact that it wont work - maybe I can work around this with a hacked drivers. However, *why*?
     
    What is it about the MoBo that prevents it from working? I am asking to understand and have knowledge. It is one thing to accept the fact. But it is another to want to understand it and learn about it and learn to work with it / around it / find alternatives.
     
    I had to learn about PCIe during my adventure. I head to learn about SLI and NVLink and Cuda. I had to learn about Manufacture of Graphics Cards vs Manufacture of the graphics chips. So on and So on.
     
    I want to continue to learn and understand why one MoBo is "compatible" while another MoBo is not. Why one MoBo can perform like a Ferrari with Quadros but than same MoBo is no better than a Geo Metro with GeForces.


    In your case I believe the reason your motherboard isn't compatible is because nvidia hasn't deemed it certified. Pretty crazy too since your board supports quadro sli. 
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 14:36:57 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh

    So I looked at the BIOS and found no setting related to SLI. I even updated the BIOS with the latest from HP. No new SLI setting within the BIOS and still no luck via the NVIDIA Control Panel.
     
    kacan22

    Wow! Yeah, I wouldn't have noticed that either, straight out of the box.
    * Thankfully, the unit I have seems quite solid; still, it may be defective.
     
    ProBro

    My situation is a little different in that I am the one creating the SW to make use of the NVLink feature. NVIDIA released drivers that expose APIs that allow software engineers to take advantage of the NVLink, for example using CUDA to copy large chunks of data from one GPU to another for data processing.
     
    Example: GPU-A assigned for display, while GPU-B for computation.
    GPU-B receives large amounts of data (or small, but at a fast data rate) and performs a bunch of number crunching using CUDA. GPU-B pushes results over NVLINK to GPU-A for further post processing and rendering. This allows GPU-B to start number crunching the next set of data.
     
    Without NVLink, lets say the data pipe between GPUs is around 8GiB/s over PCIe with no other PCIe traffic. Add other PCIe devices and that 8GiB/s takes a hit. Now we have NVLink with a dedicated pipe between GPUs at 25GiB/s. Not only do the GPUs have dedicated bandwidth, the PCIe traffic is also reduced, freeing up the PCIe bandwidth for other devices.
    //
     
    As someone mentioned, the issue may not be with the MoBo or the HW units but with NVIDIA and their Driver - either by mistake (a bug) or by design (Marketing). 
     
    How are AMD GPUs doing these days? ;-)
    **[runs and hides expecting cow-patties to be launched]**
     
    Thanks to all of you for the support and camaraderie.
     
    I'll keep you updated as I make progress - progress I shall make!
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 14:38:05 (permalink)
    And you well not find a setting in the Bios for SLI, no one is saying this.
    Updating the Bios provide support for newer hardware on your Motherboard as well as Support for Newer CPUs.
    You come here for help and updating the Bios is what is part of helping members.
    You are not willing or wanting to update the Bios that is on you.
     
    Not sure anyone can help you here, have you asked HP?
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 17:39:48 (permalink)
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    You are not willing or wanting to update the Bios that is on you.

     
    Read my post #26 again. Not only did I say I updated the BIOS, I gave thanks to the community. Not sure why you got an attitude all of a sudden.
     
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/19 18:04:23 (permalink)
    Did you give the modded drivers a try yet?
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    Re: No SLI (NVLink) Option in Control Panel 2018/12/20 10:03:47 (permalink)
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    You are not willing or wanting to update the Bios that is on you.

     Read my post #26 again. Not only did I say I updated the BIOS, I gave thanks to the community. Not sure why you got an attitude all of a sudden.

    "So I looked at the BIOS and found no setting related to SLI. I even updated the BIOS with the latest from HP. No new SLI setting within the BIOS and still no luck via the NVIDIA Control Panel."
    @bcavnaugh: I don't have an SLI Bridge for the quadros, unfortunately.
    -- I don't see why the BIOS would have anything to do with how the Drivers make use of the PCIe communication or the NVLink Bridge (NVIDIA proprietary).
    "19 hours ago" we both posted at the same time.
    Good your motherboard is now up to date.
    Still the Bios has nothing to do with SLI, there are no settings in the Bios for SLI.
    But still I wish you luck getting SLI Enabled on your HP Workstation. 
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