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2019/10/12 16:41:30 (permalink)
I saw a post that EVGA is gonna launch new x299 dark. Does new x299 dark have X299x chipset or just still have x299?
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/12 16:55:33 (permalink)
Intel has not released an X299x chipset, that would be marketing BS from other manufacturers. EVGA typically does not play those games so I suspect that they will not being releasing a new motherboard. Plus it’s not needed, just update the BIOS on the current X299 Dark.

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 02:07:59 (permalink)
I think you'll find X299X does exist.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 02:11:58 (permalink)
The "X" suffix merely serves to specify that the boards are built specifically for the latest Cascade Lake-X processors. The Cascade Lake-X chips come with four more PCIe lanes than previous-gen Skylake-X CPUs, and those four lanes won't be available on previous X299 motherboards, meaning the new X299X boards are the only path to exposing the full I/O capabilities.

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 02:32:00 (permalink)
I highly doubt EVGA would waste their time making a new X299X Dark motherboard.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 06:17:42 (permalink)
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I think you'll find X299X does exist.



As far as I know Intel has not released a new Official Chipset for X299. Motherboards that are being advertised as X299x are still using the same X299 Chipset that can be found on the current EVGA X299 Dark motherboard. So what is X299x? My understanding is that motherboards like the EVGA X299 Dark have a "physical limitation" in regards to the way the board was designed/created that prevents them from using the extra x4 PCIe lanes. To be clear this is not a limitation of the X299 Chipset, it has always been able to support the x48 PCI express lanes. Maybe TiN will chime in to confirm... However IMO X299x is marketing BS, plus who needs the extra PCIe lanes? If you really using that many PCIe lanes I would be looking at server motherboards and dual CPU configurations. 

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An article from Toms Hardware, along with others on the web, does make note of this stating;

"The trio of high-end motherboards sport the Intel X299X moniker; however, it should be noted that the motherboards are using the same X299 chipset that debuted two years ago,. The "X" suffix merely serves to specify that the boards are built specifically for the latest Cascade Lake-X processors. The Cascade Lake-X chips come with four more PCIe lanes than previous-gen Skylake-X CPUs, and those four lanes won't be available on previous X299 motherboards, meaning the new X299X boards are the only path to exposing the full I/O capabilities."


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-x299x-motherboard-cascade-lake-x-cpus-intel,40536.html
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 06:25:55 (permalink)
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I think you'll find X299X does exist.



As far as I know Intel has not released a new Official Chipset for X299. Motherboards that are being advertised as X299x are still using the same X299 Chipset that can be found on the current EVGA X299 Dark motherboard. So what is X299x? My understanding is that motherboards like the EVGA X299 Dark have a "physical limitation" in regards to the way the board was designed/created that prevents them from using the extra x4 PCIe lanes. To be clear this is not a limitation of the X299 Chipset, it has always been able to support the x48 PCI express lanes. Maybe TiN will chime in to confirm... However IMO X299x is marketing BS, plus who needs the extra PCIe lanes? If you really using that many PCIe lanes I would be looking at server motherboards and dual CPU configurations. 

Source:
An article from Toms Hardware, along with others on the web, does make note of this stating;

"The trio of high-end motherboards sport the Intel X299X moniker; however, it should be noted that the motherboards are using the same X299 chipset that debuted two years ago,. The "X" suffix merely serves to specify that the boards are built specifically for the latest Cascade Lake-X processors. The Cascade Lake-X chips come with four more PCIe lanes than previous-gen Skylake-X CPUs, and those four lanes won't be available on previous X299 motherboards, meaning the new X299X boards are the only path to exposing the full I/O capabilities."


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-x299x-motherboard-cascade-lake-x-cpus-intel,40536.html


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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 06:45:18 (permalink)
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I think you'll find X299X does exist.



As far as I know Intel has not released a new Official Chipset for X299. Motherboards that are being advertised as X299x are still using the same X299 Chipset that can be found on the current EVGA X299 Dark motherboard. So what is X299x? My understanding is that motherboards like the EVGA X299 Dark have a "physical limitation" in regards to the way the board was designed/created that prevents them from using the extra x4 PCIe lanes. To be clear this is not a limitation of the X299 Chipset, it has always been able to support the x48 PCI express lanes. Maybe TiN will chime in to confirm... However IMO X299x is marketing BS, plus who needs the extra PCIe lanes? If you really using that many PCIe lanes I would be looking at server motherboards and dual CPU configurations. 

Source:
An article from Toms Hardware, along with others on the web, does make note of this stating;

"The trio of high-end motherboards sport the Intel X299X moniker; however, it should be noted that the motherboards are using the same X299 chipset that debuted two years ago,. The "X" suffix merely serves to specify that the boards are built specifically for the latest Cascade Lake-X processors. The Cascade Lake-X chips come with four more PCIe lanes than previous-gen Skylake-X CPUs, and those four lanes won't be available on previous X299 motherboards, meaning the new X299X boards are the only path to exposing the full I/O capabilities."


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-x299x-motherboard-cascade-lake-x-cpus-intel,40536.html


Literally nobody here cares for an extra 4 PCIE lanes, you buy the dark for overclocking, that's it.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 07:03:56 (permalink)
So, new x299 dark and old x299 dark are same VRM?
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 07:59:20 (permalink)
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So, new x299 dark and old x299 dark are same VRM?


There is no 'new x299 dark' buddy.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/13 09:36:03 (permalink)
EVGA has not made an announcement about a X299x MB - that I have seen
 
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/20 06:13:28 (permalink)
Current owners need only update the motherboard BIOS for full compatibility
 
In my world it means that you will get all the Lanes supported on the new bios.

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/20 09:15:31 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Cool GTX 2019/10/21 08:36:14
"X299X" is a delusion, there is no new chipset , released or unreleased :).
CascadeLake-X are drop-in processors refresh for all existing X299 boards (given BIOS is updated to support CLX microcode/functions).
 
Additional 4 lanes on CLX-X are NOT connected to anything on X299 Dark, so those cannot be used. Hence PCIe routing/mapping/functionality is exactly same as original 44-lane Skylake-X processors. I don't think it's big enough deal to warrant board design change and revalidation cycle, and further confusion for owners who would need to know which board "version" is it to use those extra 4 lanes. 
 
Hardened security from CLX also fully supported on X299 Dark with new BIOSes, as it's processor feature, not the motherboards.

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/20 23:05:47 (permalink)
It might not be worth it to them to release a new mobo just for 4 more lanes, but there might be other things they could do. Replace 2 SATA ports for another U.2 port, and use those extra lanes to support it. Maybe they could arrange the mobo better to support more CPU coolers. Maybe they could throw in the HDMI audio support someone suggested some threads down. Maybe they have some other ideas on how to improve the mobo, or other technologies they could improve. If they can do all that, with Cascade Lake, it might be pretty profitable for them and good for the consumer to make a new version of the mobo.
 
I know I'd buy it since I am planning a new build next year.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/20 23:36:43 (permalink)
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It might not be worth it to them to release a new mobo just for 4 more lanes, but there might be other things they could do. Replace 2 SATA ports for another U.2 port, and use those extra lanes to support it. Maybe they could arrange the mobo better to support more CPU coolers. Maybe they could throw in the HDMI audio support someone suggested some threads down. Maybe they have some other ideas on how to improve the mobo, or other technologies they could improve. If they can do all that, with Cascade Lake, it might be pretty profitable for them and good for the consumer to make a new version of the mobo.
 
I know I'd buy it since I am planning a new build next year.


There's no point, who the hell even uses HDMI for their computer anyways? This is an overclocking board not some stupid board meant for air coolers and other crap.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 03:50:56 (permalink)
EVGA X299 Dark is overclocking board but I recommend and to people who are tired of RGB builds and want quality and beautifull boards.
Overclocking arrive with risk and other people want to use X299 platform several years and satisfied with Intel Boost.
It's not waste of money even if they want to buy X299 Dark.
She have everything one X299 board need to have.
It's long time before DDR5 show up and become available for us not only for servers.
X299 Dark is great to serve in mean time. That could be easy more then 2 years. Not necessary, but delays are very often.

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 04:46:09 (permalink)
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EVGA X299 Dark is overclocking board but I recommend and to people who are tired of RGB builds and want quality and beautifull boards.
Overclocking arrive with risk and other people want to use X299 platform several years and satisfied with Intel Boost.
It's not waste of money even if they want to buy X299 Dark.
She have everything one X299 board need to have.
It's long time before DDR5 show up and become available for us not only for servers.
X299 Dark is great to serve in mean time. That could be easy more then 2 years. Not necessary, but delays are very often.


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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 05:06:00 (permalink)
This thread has turned into a pointless conversation at this point...

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 05:07:55 (permalink)
EVGA will release X299-X Dark soon with more Features regardless you need/use it or not...…………………….  

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 08:36:03 (permalink)
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"X299X" is a delusion, there is no new chipset , released or unreleased :).
CascadeLake-X are drop-in processors refresh for all existing X299 boards (given BIOS is updated to support CLX microcode/functions).
 
Additional 4 lanes on CLX-X are NOT connected to anything on X299 Dark, so those cannot be used. Hence PCIe routing/mapping/functionality is exactly same as original 44-lane Skylake-X processors. I don't think it's big enough deal to warrant board design change and revalidation cycle, and further confusion for owners who would need to know which board "version" is it to use those extra 4 lanes. 
 
Hardened security from CLX also fully supported on X299 Dark with new BIOSes, as it's processor feature, not the motherboards.


 

 
Well then, that Looks like as direct of an answer as we could hope for

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/21 12:05:39 (permalink)
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It might not be worth it to them to release a new mobo just for 4 more lanes, but there might be other things they could do. Replace 2 SATA ports for another U.2 port, and use those extra lanes to support it. Maybe they could arrange the mobo better to support more CPU coolers. Maybe they could throw in the HDMI audio support someone suggested some threads down. Maybe they have some other ideas on how to improve the mobo, or other technologies they could improve. If they can do all that, with Cascade Lake, it might be pretty profitable for them and good for the consumer to make a new version of the mobo.
 
I know I'd buy it since I am planning a new build next year.


There's no point, who the hell even uses HDMI for their computer anyways? This is an overclocking board not some stupid board meant for air coolers and other crap.



Well the FTW K is something to consider, but some people are willing to put in an extra hundred dollars for just the quality increase or just the cooler look, and the Dark does offer a slightly different set of features than the FTW K. Maybe someone really wants that PS/2 port. Besides that, the best retail air coolers are better than retail water coolers; only custom water coolers are better.
 
Either way, the demand is there for a NEW X299 from EVGA. It doesn't have to be a new Black, it can be a new lower model. But then, would every overclocker be okay with potentially-better hardware not supporting them?
 
Why ask me what someone would want the HDMI audio for? Can't you just read their topic for yourself?
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/22 04:57:49 (permalink)
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It might not be worth it to them to release a new mobo just for 4 more lanes, but there might be other things they could do. Replace 2 SATA ports for another U.2 port, and use those extra lanes to support it. Maybe they could arrange the mobo better to support more CPU coolers. Maybe they could throw in the HDMI audio support someone suggested some threads down. Maybe they have some other ideas on how to improve the mobo, or other technologies they could improve. If they can do all that, with Cascade Lake, it might be pretty profitable for them and good for the consumer to make a new version of the mobo.

I know I'd buy it since I am planning a new build next year.


There's no point, who the hell even uses HDMI for their computer anyways? This is an overclocking board not some stupid board meant for air coolers and other crap.



Well the FTW K is something to consider, but some people are willing to put in an extra hundred dollars for just the quality increase or just the cooler look, and the Dark does offer a slightly different set of features than the FTW K. Maybe someone really wants that PS/2 port. Besides that, the best retail air coolers are better than retail water coolers; only custom water coolers are better.
 
Either way, the demand is there for a NEW X299 from EVGA. It doesn't have to be a new Black, it can be a new lower model. But then, would every overclocker be okay with potentially-better hardware not supporting them?
 
Why ask me what someone would want the HDMI audio for? Can't you just read their topic for yourself?


There is no point for EVGA to make a new board, did they make a new one for the 9980xe? EVGA barely make any motherboards to beging with. There is ABSOLUTELY no need for a new motherboard for another refresh processor with more lanes.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/22 10:16:25 (permalink)
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There is no point for EVGA to make a new board, did they make a new one for the 9980xe? EVGA barely make any motherboards to beging with. There is ABSOLUTELY no need for a new motherboard for another refresh processor with more lanes.

Technically...the Micro2 ATX was designed for the 9980XE and Skylake-X refresh.  We improved the VRM cooling on the other boards as part of an update to the manufacturing on the Micro and FTW K for the Skylake-X refresh, but the DARK, for obvious reasons, had no need for improved VRM cooling.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/10/22 10:24:42 (permalink)
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There is no point for EVGA to make a new board, did they make a new one for the 9980xe? EVGA barely make any motherboards to beging with. There is ABSOLUTELY no need for a new motherboard for another refresh processor with more lanes.

Technically...the Micro2 ATX was designed for the 9980XE and Skylake-X refresh.  We improved the VRM cooling on the other boards as part of an update to the manufacturing on the Micro and FTW K for the Skylake-X refresh, but the DARK, for obvious reasons, had no need for improved VRM cooling.


Ah what I mean is if the current boards are fine for 7980xe/9980xe, they'll be fine for 10980xe, same tdp, same cores and etc. I don't really care about the new lanes or whatever, it's fundamentally the same thing with a few extras and more refined process.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/03 21:24:32 (permalink)
MAYBE I am stupid but No matter what Intel brings out at this point I see NO reason to upgrade my 7900X. 
I really like my X299 Dark and the new bios I have yet to install but it looks awesome!
 
A NEW CPU would be pretty darn nice but the amount of money for the new just doesn't make sense for me. 
I got my CPU for $699 about 2 years ago at the Microcenter. I think I am just fine for AT LEAST another year.
Intel is out of the CPU game for about 2 years from what I see and it makes no sense for me to switch to AMD. 
I can wait it out for at least 2 years. It gets AWFUL pricey switching all the time! 
This is NOT to say others who will upgrade are wrong, the CPUs ARE better but NOT enough bang for my buck to switch!

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/04 00:12:20 (permalink)
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MAYBE I am stupid but No matter what Intel brings out at this point I see NO reason to upgrade my 7900X. 
I really like my X299 Dark and the new bios I have yet to install but it looks awesome!
 
A NEW CPU would be pretty darn nice but the amount of money for the new just doesn't make sense for me. 
I got my CPU for $699 about 2 years ago at the Microcenter. I think I am just fine for AT LEAST another year.
Intel is out of the CPU game for about 2 years from what I see and it makes no sense for me to switch to AMD. 
I can wait it out for at least 2 years. It gets AWFUL pricey switching all the time! 
This is NOT to say others who will upgrade are wrong, the CPUs ARE better but NOT enough bang for my buck to switch!


You don't buy X299 for 'bang for buck', 7900x is old now and gets rekt by 3900X.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/04 05:11:07 (permalink)
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MAYBE I am stupid but No matter what Intel brings out at this point I see NO reason to upgrade my 7900X. 
I really like my X299 Dark and the new bios I have yet to install but it looks awesome!
 
A NEW CPU would be pretty darn nice but the amount of money for the new just doesn't make sense for me. 
I got my CPU for $699 about 2 years ago at the Microcenter. I think I am just fine for AT LEAST another year.
Intel is out of the CPU game for about 2 years from what I see and it makes no sense for me to switch to AMD. 
I can wait it out for at least 2 years. It gets AWFUL pricey switching all the time! 
This is NOT to say others who will upgrade are wrong, the CPUs ARE better but NOT enough bang for my buck to switch!


You don't buy X299 for 'bang for buck', 7900x is old now and gets rekt by 3900X.



You miss my point, of COURSE its a better CPU and IF I was buying a whole new rig its one THE top choices! But to gain say 7% +/- single thread and a 15-25% Multi-thread? Costing how much to
to go out and buy a new MB and CPU? 
 
Should you use your gear in a professional basis you can justify it. Should have a hole in your pocket with to go out and get a $600-$1000 MB to EQUAL the DARK in quality and another
$500 for the CPU IF you can find it go for it. 
 
Me? I do a bit of encoding, edit here and there, and game. I will NOT see enough of an improvement with what I do to justify the time and money to upgrade.
 
BUT that main part of my comment was aimed that new Intel CPUs. Intel is dead for at least the next to 2+/- years for ME. Everybody makes their own choices based on there own needs and pocket book.
I was referring to me as maybe being stupid for not wanting to upgrade now. 
 
Back in the day when Monarch Computing was around I use to run dual Opteron 750s and a Pro Tyan server MB! That computer lasted me 5 years be fore I saw
performance worth it to ME to upgrade. 
 
Sorry if I was not clear in my intent.
 
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/04 05:15:36 (permalink)
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MAYBE I am stupid but No matter what Intel brings out at this point I see NO reason to upgrade my 7900X. 
I really like my X299 Dark and the new bios I have yet to install but it looks awesome!

A NEW CPU would be pretty darn nice but the amount of money for the new just doesn't make sense for me. 
I got my CPU for $699 about 2 years ago at the Microcenter. I think I am just fine for AT LEAST another year.
Intel is out of the CPU game for about 2 years from what I see and it makes no sense for me to switch to AMD. 
I can wait it out for at least 2 years. It gets AWFUL pricey switching all the time! 
This is NOT to say others who will upgrade are wrong, the CPUs ARE better but NOT enough bang for my buck to switch!


You don't buy X299 for 'bang for buck', 7900x is old now and gets rekt by 3900X.



You miss my point, of COURSE its a better CPU and IF I was buying a whole new rig its one THE top choices! But to gain say 7% +/- single thread and a 15-25% Multi-thread? costing how much to
to go out and buy a new MB and CPU? 
 
Should you use your gear in a professional basis you can justify it. Should have a hole in your pocket with to go out and get a $600-$1000 MB to EQUAL the DARK in quality and another
$500 for the CPU IF you can find it go for it. 
 
Me? I do a bit of encoding, edit here and there, and game. I will NOT see enough of an improvement with what I do to justify the time and money to upgrade.
 
BUT that main part of my comment was aimed that new Intel CPUs. Intel is dead for at least the next to 2+/- years for ME. Everybody makes their own choices based on there own needs and pocket book.
I was referring to me as maybe being stupid for not wanting to upgrade now. 
 
Back in the day when Monarch Computing was around I use to run dual Opteron 750s and a Pro Tyan server MB! That computer lasted me 5 years be fore I saw
performance worth it to ME to upgrade. 
 
Sorry if I was not clear in my intent.
 


I purchased a i9 - 7980xe for £845 brand new, that's only a few hundred more than what you got your 7900x for with considerably more perf than a 3900x/3950x, prices be a changing.
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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/04 05:28:42 (permalink)
"I purchased a i9 - 7980xe for £845 brand new, that's only a few hundred than what you got your 7900x for with considerably more perf than a 3900x/3950x, prices be a changing"
 
I got my for 7900x for $699usd or at todays rates of conversion £540.
 
That CPU in America would cost me right now $1900USD at Newegg or in British £s,  £1500+/- 
 
Nope I am good! And Congrats on the Price! It's AMAZING!!! 
 

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Re: new x299 dark is X299x? 2019/11/05 19:24:42 (permalink)
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MAYBE I am stupid but No matter what Intel brings out at this point I see NO reason to upgrade my 7900X. 
I really like my X299 Dark and the new bios I have yet to install but it looks awesome!

A NEW CPU would be pretty darn nice but the amount of money for the new just doesn't make sense for me. 
I got my CPU for $699 about 2 years ago at the Microcenter. I think I am just fine for AT LEAST another year.
Intel is out of the CPU game for about 2 years from what I see and it makes no sense for me to switch to AMD. 
I can wait it out for at least 2 years. It gets AWFUL pricey switching all the time! 
This is NOT to say others who will upgrade are wrong, the CPUs ARE better but NOT enough bang for my buck to switch!


You don't buy X299 for 'bang for buck', 7900x is old now and gets rekt by 3900X.



You miss my point, of COURSE its a better CPU and IF I was buying a whole new rig its one THE top choices! But to gain say 7% +/- single thread and a 15-25% Multi-thread? Costing how much to
to go out and buy a new MB and CPU? 
 
Should you use your gear in a professional basis you can justify it. Should have a hole in your pocket with to go out and get a $600-$1000 MB to EQUAL the DARK in quality and another
$500 for the CPU IF you can find it go for it. 
 
Me? I do a bit of encoding, edit here and there, and game. I will NOT see enough of an improvement with what I do to justify the time and money to upgrade.
 
BUT that main part of my comment was aimed that new Intel CPUs. Intel is dead for at least the next to 2+/- years for ME. Everybody makes their own choices based on there own needs and pocket book.
I was referring to me as maybe being stupid for not wanting to upgrade now. 
 
Back in the day when Monarch Computing was around I use to run dual Opteron 750s and a Pro Tyan server MB! That computer lasted me 5 years be fore I saw
performance worth it to ME to upgrade. 
 
Sorry if I was not clear in my intent.
 


Intel is dead? Are you joking or AMD Fanboy?? 

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