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2019/12/29 14:44:11 (permalink)
Yes thats right im 47 and just over clocked my i7 8700k to 5.1 ghz for the first time ever, and ran it for 6 hours stable.  temp reached 83c  while running folding.  i didnt noticed it was still over clocked, untill i looked at the LCD on my evga Z390 motherboard and seen 83, im like what the crap, so i opened up intels sfotware for over clocking and seen it was still at 5.1ghz..  how many other have done that over clocked and forgot.  and what was your over clock speed and what was your set up
 
so is it a overclock with a i7 8700k at 5.1ghz  on distilled water with nothing added to it and hitting 83c any good  ?
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/29 14:49:48 (permalink)
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/30 02:14:38 (permalink)
    83C isn't bad..The TjMax temp is 100C, that's when the cores start throttling down frequency/voltage to keep their temps in check providing that Thermal Control hasn't been disabled (enabled is default) in the BIOS.
     
    You might get the temp down by lowering the Vcore, or changing the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) so that the Vcore doesn't increase so much under load..What is the Vcore under load/stress, that's what's most important?..Mine needs 1.390/1.392 for 5.2GHz and cores temps are less than 70C, but it's delidded and with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut (liquid metal TIM).
     
    You can use (I do) Intel Burn Test or the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool for quick load/stress testing.
     
     

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/30 02:46:09 (permalink)
    Welcome to the world of overclocking. Keep in mind that as long as it's stable and cooling is good it's unlikely in the time your using the system that you would see any effects of the higher clocks.

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/30 08:41:51 (permalink)
    Oh first time overclocker! Overclocking is very fun once you get into it :)
    If you are running those settings stable so far for several hours then I wouldn't expect any further issue from it but
    of course keep an eye out and adjust if you need to.
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/30 19:08:43 (permalink)
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    83C isn't bad..The TjMax temp is 100C, that's when the cores start throttling down frequency/voltage to keep their temps in check providing that Thermal Control hasn't been disabled (enabled is default) in the BIOS.
     
    You might get the temp down by lowering the Vcore, or changing the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) so that the Vcore doesn't increase so much under load..What is the Vcore under load/stress, that's what's most important?..Mine needs 1.390/1.392 for 5.2GHz and cores temps are less than 70C, but it's delidded and with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut (liquid metal TIM).
     
    You can use (I do) Intel Burn Test or the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool for quick load/stress testing.
     
     



      not sure what ya mean by some of that .  like the LLC  .. but im using some crappy silver thermal paste i got off ebay. 
    as for what everything is set at i took photos and ill put it all down here ..
    information is from the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility i got from Intel's software download page .
     

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    all the stats on there is all stock settings, didn't think i code post the over clock.
      i posted that system last month before i even said lets over clock.
     then i said to my self, lets see if i can burn up the CPU at 5.1 ghz.
    it didn't happen, i tried . 
    Then i i got looking over Silicon Lottery's website and seen some of there settings they had done. 
    and i went Hmm, lets try some of this settings . 
    and now here we are .. 
    finally got it to run a 5.1ghz, using silicon lottery settings, on some of there cpu`s they have over clocked.
    i went for the 5.2ghz settings and it crashed and system restarted . 
    so i backed it down to 5.1 ghz. a
    nd today i got it to 5.12ghz. 
    ran the test on the intel software Extreme Tuning Utility and just added .2 to the reference clock along with the 5.1 clock profile i saved ..
    and got it to 5.12, running the same as below .
    have not tryed to go back to the 5.2 clock speed, but will work my way there. 
    IF i hit that speed and it runs stable for say 5 minutes running intel extreme benchmark i will say i hit 5.2 ghz.  
     
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    cove voltage: 1.415v
    core voltage offset: 0.000v
    processor core IccMax: 255.750A
    AVX Ratio offset: 3.000x
    1-6 active cores: 5.1000X 
     
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/31 03:46:25 (permalink)
    Basically, Load-Line Calibration, aka Vdroop, or CPU Vdroop as it's called in your BIOS -> OC section as seen here keeps the CPU core voltage lower, or lowers it, under load so that the core voltage doesn't spike over Intel specs when it transitions from load to no load..Exactly what you don't really want when overclocking.

    You want to have a low Vcore (as possible) and use LLC to keep it the same or increase it under load..This is best.

    I think that on your board, a 75% Vdroop is default when it's on Auto..You need to see how your board reacts to a lower or higher Vdroop % or number..My board uses Levels 1 - 7 and the higher the Level the more Vcore is applied under load..Your board might be opposite and the lower the Vdroop % the higher the Vcore will be under load, I'm not sure but I think so, you'll have to find out.

    Vcore under load is what's most important.

    Now, what you can do to kind of rough it in is to use the latest EVGA E-LEET software and set the Vcore to Override and apply a fixed Vcore to find out how much voltage your CPU needs to maintain a given frequency..After that, go into the BIOS and apply it..That way, using the sofware, you don't have to keep going into the BIOS time and time again and changing it all the time..The software will make dynamic changes by default, meaning temporary, until the next boot/start/restart, but there is an option to make them apply at startup..Making changes in the BIOS are static changes and will always remain.
     
    In your mobo manual, in the Using the E-LEET X Software Suite section, it says:
     
    Generally speaking, Adaptive will allow you to tailor your CPU Vcore voltage profile to keep voltage usage and heat to a minimum, while Override is more of a brute-force method of setting your CPU Vcore voltage.
     
    Adaptive gives you both Target Voltage and Offset Voltage as an option.  When adjusting Adaptive, you start by setting your target voltage, which you will discover through stress-testing your CPU.  The Offset voltage is then used to fine-tune additional voltage that may be required in load or stress situations.
     
    Override just provides a static voltage; outside of extreme benching, this setting is typically not needed or ideal for the longevity of the CPU, since the VCore is meant to fluctuate based on load.  Alternatively, this can be used in the early stages of overclocking to find your Target voltage, before switching back to Adaptive.
     
    You can make/save different overclocking profiles in E-LEET and you can change profiles 'on-the-fly' without having to go into the BIOS and do it as also stated below..But you can also make/save overclocking profiles in the BIOS.

    The Options tab is for managing your ELEET profiles.  You can save overclock profiles made in the previous section, as well as selecting an option to load a profile at boot.  Use care, however, when setting a profile to load on startup; if the overclock is unstable, it may prevent your system from booting to the OS.
     
    Before you do anything though, you should make sure to update to the latest BIOS if needed found in the EVGA Download Center..There have been BIOS updates for improved overclockin/compatibilty/security reasons.
     
    So, with all that said, it might be a good idea to clear CMOS, which returns the BIOS to all default settings, and begin again.

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/31 05:29:56 (permalink)
    Bob has provided a lot of really good overclocking info to follow. -- Just to call it out directly, 1.415v is too much, you will see degradation in your overclock abilities within 3-6 months at that voltage, hints the reason he's suggesting to find your lowest voltage requirement.

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/31 11:49:01 (permalink)
    based off the information given and the information i have at hand.  the information i have came from Silicon Lottery.com`s web site  https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics..
    but with the new information from Bob, ill have to make changes to adjust .. 
    and the software i am using to get my over clock is one from intel 
    https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU .. 
    and now with the NEW information, ya i got some work to do..
    when i get time and the wife and youngest child is gone and i can focus more on over clocking.. 
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2019/12/31 11:52:49 (permalink)
    aw it didnt post ..
     
    but over all i got work cut out for me.
    all this new information, bob has given is good intel.
    and what i had from the Silicon lottery website and using the Intel software for over clocking.
    i defintly got some woek, to run this system at 5.1 ghz stable, more stable and with easy.. 
    that screen shot Bob, its seems like it is from a EVGA Z390 FTW, if it is that is the motherboard i am running .  right when i seen it, i was like same UEFI as i have ..
    and i do have the EVGA software, i never used it.  i have it to monitor mainly, and to see what my cpu is doing and what parts i have installed..  other than that never really messed with any of the setting for overclocking ..  
    post edited by Ghost13 - 2019/12/31 11:56:09
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/16 16:13:53 (permalink)
    Welcome to the club :)

     
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/17 05:07:49 (permalink)
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/17 21:52:27 (permalink)
    thank you and blesings ..
     
    I dont do much over clocking, due to i dont have a extra rig to it full time on .  but its nice to kick around a over clock on the main rig once in a awhile .. 
    Im not like Kingpin, who i think does it 24/7 and is known for kicking out some nice clocks ..
    Me im just a loner from indiana ..
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/18 01:01:35 (permalink)
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/18 01:51:16 (permalink)
    aw sweet, do i get gifts too ...  
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/24 20:50:19 (permalink)
    Running Stable at 5.1 Ghz on this i7 8700K ..
    setting are good , temps with this window and Folding running are at 63c ..
    bench marking using CPUID CPUz has this CPU above a i9 7980X in single core and in multi thread the i9 7980X has me  beat by a long run like 52%..
    Max TDP is 95.0w
    running CPUID CPUS bench mark temps hit 91c/92c max
    core voltage is set to 1.408 volts, mutliplier is X51 core speeds is 5111.8
    bus speed is 100.24
    i believe this is a stable clock, i finally gotten. 
    now the question is how long can i run this clock at .
    that is the question at hand for me with out it giving me a blue screen like it did when i went for 5.2ghz ...
    system set up :  it is what i have posted up in Mod rigs 
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/24 23:14:30 (permalink)
    Temps seem high for the cooling solution you have..Run IntelBurnTest quick like and see what the CPU Core Voltage in CPU-Z gets up to under load, that's what matters most.

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/24 23:58:47 (permalink)
    ok, thanks.  downing it right now /
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/25 00:45:50 (permalink)
    it failed ..... so had to drop back down to 4.9ghz.  volts was in the 1.68 on gpu-z .  when i drop the voltage down to that it kept crashing .. temps was in the mid 80s. last i seen ...   I know for sure i need a 360mm rad, this 240mm is just not cutting the grade  i think .. or i need another 240mm rad to help keep the water cooler .. but with the case i have, putting another rad in the top is a no go .  so a bigger rad is what i need.   sucks, this case is like that, damn good case .. 
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/25 04:12:32 (permalink)
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    it failed ..... so had to drop back down to 4.9ghz.  volts was in the 1.68 on gpu-z .  when i drop the voltage down to that it kept crashing .. temps was in the mid 80s. last i seen ...   I know for sure i need a 360mm rad, this 240mm is just not cutting the grade  i think .. or i need another 240mm rad to help keep the water cooler .. but with the case i have, putting another rad in the top is a no go .  so a bigger rad is what i need.   sucks, this case is like that, damn good case .. 



    1.68V is an extreme amount of Vcore, and that is also why CPU core temps are sky high..That CPU shouldn't really need any more than about 1.4V under load to maintain 5.2GHz or so.
     
    I fear that some damage/degradation has already been done to the CPU.
     
    You should use Adaptive Mode for the Vcore as it only affects CPU voltage at Turbo Boost speeds (over the Base of 3.70 GHz).
     
    Vcore under load is most critical, not what you set it at in the BIOS, because with different Vdroop settings the Vcore can change dramatically when the CPU is under load..You need to keep an eye on Vcore under load.
     
    Here is some overclocking/settings info for the EVGA Z390 DARK (pretty much the same as the FTW)..Scroll down to Vdroop Behavior to see how Vcore is affected.
     
    I suggest Load Optimized Defaults (press F5) and beginning again using Adaptive Vcore and maybe Auto (for now) Vdroop..Then start at 1.4V Vcore @ 5.0GHz..Then stress test with IntelBurnTest while watching the Vcore in CPU-Z..Stop the test if it approaches 1.5V and lower the Vcore, or increase the Vdroop percent so the voltage doesn't go so high under load (that's a balancing act).
     
     
     
     

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 01:52:16 (permalink)
    It's also down to silicon lottery .
    I actually set the voltage to 1.435 and 5.6 plus 4.7 cache which gave the fastest speed.
    I can't get it to 5.7 no matter how hard I try .

    post edited by spit051261 - 2020/01/26 02:05:14

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 01:57:59 (permalink)
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 05:22:42 (permalink)
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    It's also down to silicon lottery .
    I actually set the voltage to 1.435 and 5.6 plus 4.7 cache which gave the fastest speed.
    I can't get it to 5.7 no matter how hard I try .




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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 06:31:09 (permalink)
    4400 @ XMP 2 . Nothing else.
    I thought the timings were loose .
    When the MOBO is not throwing a wobbly over the ram , it seems to run pretty fast.
    The CPU running at warp speed will have a lot to do it .
    Your NB should be a lot higher I would have thought.
    post edited by spit051261 - 2020/01/26 06:41:00

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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 06:46:59 (permalink)
    The only way to raise mine higher is to start raising the bclk in the bios, I wonder if that's a difference in hedt cpu's. I don't know if using memory in dual or quad channel even makes a difference. Never really tried or noticed.
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    Re: new to over clocking at age 47 2020/01/26 07:24:53 (permalink)
    I thought dual channel would double your NB frequency.
    Run this and this will give you an idea of CPU and RAM.
    I like this one , tests your whole pc and not just GPU.
    https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software
    I'll run the same at base settings and We can compare
    post edited by spit051261 - 2020/01/26 07:30:23

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