augiem
I honestly don't see how NVidia has any right to put rate limiting. Who are they to tell you what you can and can't do with the GPU compute hardware you bought? That's a bit like Intel trying to tell you video editing will run at half rate on Core i7 unless you buy the special "Video" edition. Not because the hardware can't do it, but because they flipped a bit somewhere in memory to prevent you from doing it. And worse yet, retroactively crippling your hardware through bios and driver updates. None of this is published on the box of the product you bought, and there's no way to differentiate cards with old firmware vs new. NVidia is the one who developed CUDA so people could do computing on the GPU. Now they want to control what you can and can't compute. I smell law suits coming.

Ethrem

25lboxer
I know very little about mining crypto but isn't there a positive correlation between he value of the crypto and how difficult it is to mine the currency or is it completely un-related? I've heard that it is becoming less and less profitable to mine these cryptocurrencies using GPUs. Purpose built ASICs will far out perform GPUs and if miners want to remain competitive they will have to start utilizing the ASIC miners instead of GPUs.  

My understanding is that the difficulty goes up as the network hash rate increases (and also goes down when it decreases) so under normal market circumstances you would be correct but since the hype train keeps sending the price higher, the value is outpacing the difficulty increase. The difficulty has gone up almost 60% in 90 days.

https://www.coinwarz.com/...ereum/difficulty-chart

ASIC miners may save us if the big mining farms jump on them but they’ll only save us from ETH and someone on reddit will hype the next coin that can be mined with a GPU and we will be right back where we started with an additional jump from all the new people attracted by the hype.

Honestly this doesn’t end until enough people lose a lot of money to deter others from taking the risk or some form of comprehensive regulation makes it not worth doing (and that’s going to need to include China so fat chance).

AmosBurton

augiem

AmosBurton

augiem
I honestly don't see how NVidia has any right to put rate limiting. Who are they to tell you what you can and can't do with the GPU compute hardware you bought? That's a bit like Intel trying to tell you video editing will run at half rate on Core i7 unless you buy the special "Video" edition. Not because the hardware can't do it, but because they flipped a bit somewhere in memory to prevent you from doing it. And worse yet, retroactively crippling your hardware through bios and driver updates. None of this is published on the box of the product you bought, and there's no way to differentiate cards with old firmware vs new. NVidia is the one who developed CUDA so people could do computing on the GPU. Now they want to control what you can and can't compute. I smell law suits coming.

There's no law saying manufacturers have to enable you to use a product the way you want to as well as you would like it to.

There's also no stipulation in the user agreement(that I'm aware of) that says you can't modify your own property to work the way you want it to.

Any lawsuit would fail miserably.

You can sue for any reason. Suing has nothing to do with someone breaking the law. If you can convince the court they deceived you by telling you you could use their CUDA compute API to do arbitrary compute on the GPU, then crippled your ability to use that feature they openly advertised because they saw opportunity for monetary gain by launching a new product line, yes, you could win. Apple was sued for "planned obsolescence" over battery gate and was forced to pay $113 million. Deceptive trade practices, bait and switch, take your pick. There are plenty of legal precedents a good lawyer could find that apply.

I could be wrong, but I don't think nvidia has ever advertised their gaming GPUs for crypto mining. If anything they've come out with mining-dedicated GPUs not suitable for gaming.

Sure, you can sue for whatever reason you want. But that doesn't mean you'll win.

AmosBurton

Sahira

AmosBurton

augiem

AmosBurton

augiem
I honestly don't see how NVidia has any right to put rate limiting. Who are they to tell you what you can and can't do with the GPU compute hardware you bought? That's a bit like Intel trying to tell you video editing will run at half rate on Core i7 unless you buy the special "Video" edition. Not because the hardware can't do it, but because they flipped a bit somewhere in memory to prevent you from doing it. And worse yet, retroactively crippling your hardware through bios and driver updates. None of this is published on the box of the product you bought, and there's no way to differentiate cards with old firmware vs new. NVidia is the one who developed CUDA so people could do computing on the GPU. Now they want to control what you can and can't compute. I smell law suits coming.

There's no law saying manufacturers have to enable you to use a product the way you want to as well as you would like it to.

There's also no stipulation in the user agreement(that I'm aware of) that says you can't modify your own property to work the way you want it to.

Any lawsuit would fail miserably.

You can sue for any reason. Suing has nothing to do with someone breaking the law. If you can convince the court they deceived you by telling you you could use their CUDA compute API to do arbitrary compute on the GPU, then crippled your ability to use that feature they openly advertised because they saw opportunity for monetary gain by launching a new product line, yes, you could win. Apple was sued for "planned obsolescence" over battery gate and was forced to pay $113 million. Deceptive trade practices, bait and switch, take your pick. There are plenty of legal precedents a good lawyer could find that apply.

I could be wrong, but I don't think nvidia has ever advertised their gaming GPUs for crypto mining. If anything they've come out with mining-dedicated GPUs not suitable for gaming.

Sure, you can sue for whatever reason you want. But that doesn't mean you'll win.

 
I remember jacket man smiling at the camera and saying "this generation is a huge leap in efficiency compared to old one". Was all that miners needed to hear.

Still a far cry from some kind of promise broken to the extent that it would be actionable.

Again, unless there's something in the user agreement that says that the limitations can't be bypassed, there's not much hope for a lawsuit. If they did that, they'd raise the ire of the right to repair folks, and they'd likely have a battle on their hands.

Simanick
Does this mean more availability of graphics cards for non-miners? (suspect not)