• EVGA Z690 Series
  • BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.13) / CLASSIFIED (2.12) [Misc. Bug Fixes/24G DIMM support] (p.5)
2023/05/19 14:33:38
ironage
cdc-951
Wondering the same thing... is z790 really that much better? If so why? The Apex is 10 layers.... and the Dark is 10 layers, yet the z790 apex wins in overclocks



The EVGA Z790 DARK K|NGP|N rises once again. Built on a 14-layer low-loss PCB with a 21-phase VRM ... ;-)
2023/05/21 13:36:23
klavmanian
ironage
cdc-951
Wondering the same thing... is z790 really that much better? If so why? The Apex is 10 layers.... and the Dark is 10 layers, yet the z790 apex wins in overclocks



The EVGA Z790 DARK K|NGP|N rises once again. Built on a 14-layer low-loss PCB with a 21-phase VRM ... ;-)




Beginning to wonder if it's just impossible to run 8000mhz memory whatsoever in a stable way on z690 dark... Might just have to pull the trigger but there are literal 8000mhz profiles in the OC menu so it makes me wonder why I'm having so many issues. Tried a few different 8000mhz xmp rated kits so I know they're good for it. Tried 3x CPU's as well and did manual voltage tuning to see if I could help things along. It doesn't hard crash or anything but I get memory errors on testmem5 after about 5 minutes or so almost every time. 
2023/05/22 06:16:40
rblaes_99
you would probably have a cherry hand picked CPU to hit 8000.  makes me miss siliconelottery.com 
2023/05/22 08:47:24
Delirious
klavmanian
ironage
cdc-951
Wondering the same thing... is z790 really that much better? If so why? The Apex is 10 layers.... and the Dark is 10 layers, yet the z790 apex wins in overclocks



The EVGA Z790 DARK K|NGP|N rises once again. Built on a 14-layer low-loss PCB with a 21-phase VRM ... ;-)


from what I have seen, the 690 is much harder to get that frequency vs the 790
Beginning to wonder if it's just impossible to run 8000mhz memory whatsoever in a stable way on z690 dark... Might just have to pull the trigger but there are literal 8000mhz profiles in the OC menu so it makes me wonder why I'm having so many issues. Tried a few different 8000mhz xmp rated kits so I know they're good for it. Tried 3x CPU's as well and did manual voltage tuning to see if I could help things along. It doesn't hard crash or anything but I get memory errors on testmem5 after about 5 minutes or so almost every time. 




2023/05/22 15:50:44
klavmanian
I have been able to boot upwards of 8200mhz.. it's just not stable. With the 48g M-Die kit I can't get anything over 7200 100% stable even with loose timings. And by 100% stable I mean stable. If it doesn't pass 24h of testmem5/memtest86/ycruncher/etc then it is not even remotely stable. There is no such thing as "game stable" here. Stability or bust.
 
I am currently working my way through stability testing various timings as I go. So far we're at CL34 @ 1.4v vdd2 and 1.4v vdd. Still working my way through the timings though and will post back when I have a fully stable profile for this board. I know others with the same kit of memory on the z790 dark and it will boot and pass all of these tests without issue so this is completely the fault of the board not being good enough for the rated speeds. It's not a bad board.. it's just not up to the task of anything beyond 7200mhz.
 
I have tested this on multiple CPU's (13900k, 13900ks, 12900k), and that limit is the same for all of them with different kits of memory all in the same z690 dark board. I am concluding that this board is not capable of more unless you have exotic cooling and are not afraid to push over 1.48v through the memory. I have tested all the way up to 1.52v and hit a "wall" around the 1.5v mark on this particular dram fwiw.
2023/05/25 07:59:09
Mr. Fox
cdc-951
klavmanian
Gamefever
EVGA_Lee
JOFAMIZU
Hello, i am a new to the forum, I want to buy the evga dark kingpin z690 but I want to know if it is also compatible with 48gb RAM modules for a maximum of 96gb.

I hope you can help me.

Thank you.


48GB modules have not been tested on our end to my knowledge.  Our MB team thinks they should work with the latest BIOS, but we can't guarantee compatibility at this time.




PC
EVGA z690 Dark Kingpin
CPU i9 12900K
 
Will it use 24 gig kit?
Thinking about getting the Trident 2x24 8000 kit, although I am considering waiting until there is more information from forum members on this, cause I would like to know about 48 gig modules as well.




I have the F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 2x24g kit and it works... kinda... It does not work at the rated XMP speeds, however, I can get it to run up to 7400mhz @ 1.35v. It will boot at 8000 just fine with XMP... but something like TestMem5 Extreme1 @anta777 will start throwing errors within a minute or so. This means that it's not hard-crashing... but I tried for several hours to bring some stability at that speed and wasn't able to. So for now I'm stuck at 7400mhz but am starting to strap down the timings to see where I can get with these 24g-m-dies.
 
I just don't think the Z690 board is capable of running at that speed to be completely honest. Unless there is something that can be done through a BIOS update, then I'm guessing that this is what the difference in layer count for the Z790 Dark is related to. There are seemingly very few difference between the two boards but the layer count likely contributes to better stability at higher frequency memory on the Z790 Dark. Would've been nice to know these limitations before buying but it's a good board none the less. I suppose this could also be down to the IMC in the CPU but I have tried a 12900k a 13900k and a 13900ks all with no dice so again, my guess is a motherboard limitation . Maybe someone from EVGA can help clear this up.




Wondering the same thing... is z790 really that much better? If so why? The Apex is 10 layers.... and the Dark is 10 layers, yet the z790 apex wins in overclocks


Z690 and Z790 are basically the same. Intel even said not to expect a performance improvement with Z790. The dropped Optane support (hardly anyone cared about it) and freed up a couple of PCIe lanes for something else.
 
People don't realize that CPU and memory, and motherboards, are all subject to the silicon lottery. My Z690 Dark runs 8200 stable with tight timings with an average 13900K and a better than average 13900KS, but ONLY with lottery-winning memory modules. Just because you are sold an expensive memory kit doesn't mean it is a good one. Just because you paid out the nose for an expensive motherboard doesn't mean it is a good one. 
 
Cases in point: 
  • I have RMA'd more than a half dozen expensive retail memory kits that were garbage
  • My Z690 Apex is an absolute piece of trash... can't do more than 6800 stable with any memory modules... period
The screenshots below are my Z690 Dark using generic green OEM naked (no heat sink) A-die modules, with no XMP profiles, that I purchased for $100 each and they perform better than the retail TeamGroup and G.SKILL A-die modules. My memory is water cooled and maxes out around 35°C under stress.
 
If your memory is getting into the 40-45°C temperature range running TM5 or other memory testing utilities you are likely to see errors once the temperatures get to that point. And, you'll need some memory voltage (anywhere from 1.475 to 1.600V) to run good A-die at 8000 or higher. Also, don't expect the XMP profile to be stable. You will often need more voltage and may also need to tweak some of the timings manually.
 


 
2023/05/26 18:25:20
Black_Hawx1
is the windows activation problem fixed? I'm currently using the classified BIOS ver 2.05
Can I upgrade to 2.12 directly from 2.05?
2023/05/30 19:49:47
Gamefever
TechYes, claims Asrock is saying that 14th gen is LGA 1700!
Techtuber is TechYes can be found on Youtube.
2023/05/31 15:26:50
djangelicon
Are these the best bios for the EVGA z690 Classified version 2.12? 
2023/06/07 12:15:51
curley60
Should I update my 2nd and 3rd bios with 2.13 since it is the most stable and compatible version so far?  Thanks

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