I was referring to warranties on consumer electronics not gas stoves, trucks and roofs lol.  

There's a reason why they all come with that tiny sheet of paper with a limited warranty printed in 2 size font written in legalese.  And it's not to protect you.   Example - https://www.playstation.c.../legal/warranties/ps5/
There's a reason why they all want you to register your product within a short window, too.  If you want to preserve the warranty rights for the person who purchases the product from you - don't register the product and be sure to save the receipt.  But not registering the product may mean you don't get access to software, promotional items, or the chance to purchase extended warranty.

Well I was on a 3070 Ultra for 272 day, no issues. Been on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR now for over a month. Made sure I had the proper power supply for the 30 series as older designs to super cheap psu's that have not been upgraded for the spikes are known to kill the cards.  Believe that is where a lot of the issues stem from. See it all the time, older psu's over two years old, older psu quality models that sat on shelves to put into machines eating cards before they critically fail due to the spikes to just killing the cards in general as they did not get upgraded to handle the massive voltage spikes of boost clocks. Last week alone I saw that happen not just with EVGA but multiple brands including a very nice white ASUS 3080 TI model an old bequiet power pro 11. Including some older quality Seasonics, to even some older corsairs. If that tells you anything. Going to get a 30 series card? Be sure you have one of the latest quality psu's up for the task or it will probably come to bite you.

Tech changes, remember when one of the new motherboards came out and the old psu's didn't play nice with them and caused issues? Same thing stuff is always moving forward. Those saying during games 450w on an air cooler, you do know this one particular game due to bad coding bypassed all safety features of the card's firmware and software as it sent the cards into a state worse than benching/folding/mining/rendering, stuff is going to get hot and under that kind of load with all the safeties bypassed bad stuff will happen especially if you do not keep it colder. Its sort of why say Quadro's exist to miners who take these gaming cards always undervolt and underclock them, or you have enthusiast who go overboard to keep them cool be it for gaming or someone who works and plays on thier cards. Like me I never let any part of my card hit or go above 70c. That is the other issue, bad coding in games that sends cards into overdrive it was not just nvidia it was doing it to, it was also AMD's latest and greatest.

nomoss
I was referring to warranties on consumer electronics not gas stoves, trucks and roofs lol.  

i gotcha my bad lol

nomoss
I was referring to warranties on consumer electronics not gas stoves, trucks and roofs lol.  

Warranties are warranties.  They're all part of the same law.  Most devices today contain electronic components, there's nothing special about their warranty. 

donta1979
Well I was on a 3070 Ultra for 272 day, no issues. Been on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR now for over a month. Made sure I had the proper power supply for the 30 series as older designs to super cheap psu's that have not been upgraded for the spikes are known to kill the cards.  Believe that is where a lot of the issues stem from. See it all the time, older psu's over two years old, older psu quality models that sat on shelves to put into machines eating cards before they critically fail due to the spikes to just killing the cards in general as they did not get upgraded to handle the massive voltage spikes of boost clocks. Last week alone I saw that happen not just with EVGA but multiple brands including a very nice white ASUS 3080 TI model an old bequiet power pro 11. Including some older quality Seasonics, to even some older corsairs. If that tells you anything. Going to get a 30 series card? Be sure you have one of the latest quality psu's up for the task or it will probably come to bite you.

That line of thinking us pretty conclusively debunked. For any example with a PSU you think is suspect, is an example with a PSU you would approve of.

I think the real problem is that the card can pull power spikes. NVIDIA's power monitoring is average-based, which allows big short-term spikes which exceed the VRM"s capability. And, to add insult to injury, the VRM hardware-based protection is set too high to protect the VRM; probably because it was kicking in too often.

nosomo

nomoss
I was referring to warranties on consumer electronics not gas stoves, trucks and roofs lol.  

Warranties are warranties.  They're all part of the same law.  Most devices today contain electronic components, there's nothing special about their warranty. 

Written warranties are written to exclude implied coverage.  There is a reason why a car warranty is 3 years, a roof warranty is 10, and a game console is 1 year.  And, again, it's not to protect the consumer.

ty_ger07

That line of thinking us pretty conclusively debunked. For any example with a PSU you think is suspect, is an example with a PSU you would approve of.

I think the real problem is that the card can pull power spikes. NVIDIA's power monitoring is average-based, which allows big short-term spikes which exceed the VRM"s capability. And, to add insult to injury, the VRM hardware-based protection is set too high to protect the VRM; probably because it was kicking in too often.

It's not a matter of what I think that is irrelevant, even EVGA had to do RMA exchanges with some of their older psu's that were apparently still on the market due to them lacking the upgrades for the spikes killing 30 series cards so I would not call it debunked. Been seeing a lot of 30 series gpu's cooked the past two to three weeks on older PSU's even the older quality units as people have finally gotten their hands on 30 series cards. 

Most games were these gpu's that even do have a quality psu unit on normally involved DX12 with all the bells and whistles if not done right all the protections are removed/bypassed via the games code for DX12 basically the cards stay in overdrive. With protections removed both hardware/software before I retired, I saw the results of DX12 done wrong. When the only solution is to lower your graphics settings and lock your FPS to 60... Yeah there is a problem and it's not the cards.

donta1979
even EVGA had to do RMA exchanges with some of their older psu's that were apparently still on the market due to them lacking the upgrades for the spikes killing 30 series cards so I would not call it debunked.

That is not true. You are placing the cart in front of the horse.

I feel the ones that gripe the most are the ones who don't understand the curve of diminishing returns, the closer you are to the edge the faster they get out of control, "If only my 2, 2 6+2 pcie 3080 would pull 490 watts , I know my card would be so much better", But did not want to pay for the FTW3...and also trying to determine failure rate being posted on the highest number of cards produced in the wild is complete folly. EVGA has the best customer service , period. When the first reviews came out the 3080 FTW3 was 380w stock target , they were also 200 points above most cards out there and could easily put on 1k points with a quick slide job in afterburner.  You know why the are not ****ing on the PNY forum, there is no one there and nobody cares. and not for nothing: how are manufacturers able design a card to perform against those who would put in in a horribly bad case.

ty_ger07

donta1979
Well I was on a 3070 Ultra for 272 day, no issues. Been on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR now for over a month. Made sure I had the proper power supply for the 30 series as older designs to super cheap psu's that have not been upgraded for the spikes are known to kill the cards.  Believe that is where a lot of the issues stem from. See it all the time, older psu's over two years old, older psu quality models that sat on shelves to put into machines eating cards before they critically fail due to the spikes to just killing the cards in general as they did not get upgraded to handle the massive voltage spikes of boost clocks. Last week alone I saw that happen not just with EVGA but multiple brands including a very nice white ASUS 3080 TI model an old bequiet power pro 11. Including some older quality Seasonics, to even some older corsairs. If that tells you anything. Going to get a 30 series card? Be sure you have one of the latest quality psu's up for the task or it will probably come to bite you.

That line of thinking us pretty conclusively debunked. For any example with a PSU you think is suspect, is an example with a PSU you would approve of.

I think the real problem is that the card can pull power spikes. NVIDIA's power monitoring is average-based, which allows big short-term spikes which exceed the VRM"s capability. And, to add insult to injury, the VRM hardware-based protection is set too high to protect the VRM; probably because it was kicking in too often.

i gotta agree here....psu's are most likely not the problem unless youre using a very low end, beat up ,old unit, lower wattage etc... The CM im using while large was new when i put it in, i took out the CM V-1000 cause i used it the whole time with my Sandy rig, but it had been sitting in its box since they were released, like 8 or 9 years at least. I had the killawatt hooked up and only saw roughly 850 watts pulled from the wall max with my current setup, but i do run the gpu cool, no higher than 72c, and drastically change my settings depending on the game/workload. I havent had any hiccups yet, although i am going to be taking this card apart for the Hybrid kit and have a bunch of new EK/Noctua 3000 rpm fans to put in etc... so well see how things end up. Just need the time to do it all.