2021/01/26 13:47:05
johnksss
emmett
I got just a tad more than my last score earlier today. I guess I am gonna have to just break down and try the XOC because at the beginning
of the test I am hitting 530-540 (GPUZ) power limit. I can see an immediate 1-2 FPS throttle. I will say that cooling the back of the card seems pretty important
and that using fans or heat sinks may not do the trick.
 
15801
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/819482
 


This is true, but most want to try to do it out of the box, on stock everything and hit 15.6K. No sure how that is even possible. the best I got was 15,280K on 450W stock vbios. And you have me beat on 520W vbios @15,662
2021/01/26 13:49:02
johnksss
Dabadger84
Then what is it?  I can show you countless cores from this system on various recent GPUs showing performance that is either acceptable, or not acceptable, in Port Royal, for the speeds I'm running, only thing that changes regularly is drivers.
 
Saying "that score is low" and not providing any further details or suggestions is just annoying & not at all helpful.  That's like people telling someone to increase their CPU overclock - some people can't do that or don't have a CPU that can run any faster due to either cooling/temperatures or other reasons, mine in particular will not run any faster, I've tried 5.1 & 5.2 at pretty high voltages & nothing will make it pass even a single run of benchmarks at those speeds that I have tried.  Either way it was a massive improvement going from a 3930K X79 setup I had previously to this.  
While Port Royal is about 90% GPU, there is some score & headway that can be had from CPU/system RAM changes, that I know for a fact.


Hummm, did you actually search this thread?
2021/01/26 14:22:52
crowie03
Guys what's going nvidia and windows settings are you all using to get your best scores?
2021/01/26 14:40:48
Dabadger84
... 
 
Moving on from that topic cuz I'm irritated enough as is and don't need non-answers making me even more irritated - think my next task is going to be implementing some more active cooling on the backside of the card like some others have done.
 
Probably going to take tomorrow off from messing with things, the randomly crashing at random parts in the test is getting to me, especially since it'll pass at certain settings with Afterburner open & as soon as I go to run with Afterburner closed it crashes on the same settings that it just passed twice with Afterburner open on.  I know I'm near the edge of stability at the voltages I'm running but that's a little ridiculous to me.
Next day of testing on the card I'll try some Classified Tool settings suggested in the thread and see what I can get out of that.  Managed to get the 15037 with some slight bumps with that and an undervolting curve in Afterburner, which is confusing as to why that works, but it does.  Ran 2160-2190MHz the whole test - that was before the driver update, if I can get it to actually run like that again with the driver update I should hit around 15.1k based on the bump the drivers gave me stock vs stock on the card with the last driver I used.
 
What drivers are most of you guys using to do testing, any one in particular or just the latest one you had installed?  Ideally I'd like to get in to the top few with my particular kind of setup, but with the gap I need to make up to do that, this won't be easy - what's confusing to me in particular is there's a guy with a 9900K showing 5GHz, and the same showing core clock as me in the 3DMark readouts... but he's got a 15.4k score. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/681933 His average clock & vRAM clock are slightly higher than mine, but not by a lot, so why he's getting ~370 more points than I am at the same stuff is beyond me.  Even his average temperature is about the same, so it's not a temperature thing either.
2021/01/26 15:46:54
johnksss
I had this long drawn out post, but not really worth it to explain.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/820304/pr/681933/pr/819320#
Bottom line I see a few things that are not the same as you seem to think they are.
1: steam version
2: 1412 on memory while your at 1375
3: older driver while your on newer one.
4: his average is higher than yours at 2181 mhz while you are 2177
5: you don't know what bios he is using.
6: you don't know if he is using classified or not.
7: you don't know if he is benching with open window or ac cooling.
8: he has an asus you have a gigabyte.
9: you dont know what his nvidia settings are.
10: you are running the same os and cpu speed as him. that seems to be about the only thing you have in common.
 
1: you need to reset your nv settings back to factory.
2: you need to drop the curve business for now.
3: you need to start by seeing how high your core can go.
4: you need to use the 520W version and quit slow dragging through the versions.
5: you need to use the classified tool to set voltage to 1.1V nvvdd and leave everything else alone.
6: you need to start at about 135+ on core and leave memory alone for now. work on one then the other. you pass, add +15 and run it again. don't worry about waiting. open gpuz and drop it to task manager. i use px1 for locking the clocks with boost lock
7: you will have crappy scores at first because you are just trying to see what the core will do vs the memory.
8: when you crash add .050mv to core and run the same clocks again. you are trying to see how high you can go before you max out at 540W as that's about where it stops for 520W vbios.
9: as was stated before. the count goes by 15's. so 105/120/135/150/165/180/195/210/225/240/255
10: as also stated before, you might crash because depending on which bin you are in your clocks will change. this is why on some days the same clocks will crash because they are running higher mhz at that setting. example +240 can go as high as 2295 if the temps are pretty low while on hot days some thing like 2265 or a bin lower.
11: can you break 15k with just core? yes you can.
once you get as high as you feel comfortable with, then start with memory. 1000 is a nice place to start as you don't need to move memory voltage. and go up in +100 increments till you crash. core is also at stock at this point. to get a 1400 mhz memory you need to be like +1500 to +1600 and if your room is a furnace, it's not gonna happen.
12: if your room and back of your card is like a furnace you can forget about getting any decent scores. just not going to happen. scores will be super crappy as you are looking for how high your memory overclocks for this time of day.
13: best to bench during the night with a window open and fan pointed towards your case or card.
14: learn the time, frames and fps points in the bench. if it isn't at a certain point no sense in letting it run till the end. you'll just be mad is all and wasted 2 minutes for nothing. stop bench and make a minor adjustment and run again.
14: never assume anyone with really good numbers is just hitting the go button and just miraculously has super great numbers. it's just not possible.
15: when you get your clocks set for a real good go at your best, then switch settings to performance mode in nv control panel and close out. and run bench.
16: best drivers are usually older drivers. 457.xx seems to do really well, although a few have been able to do with some newer drivers. not sure about the newest driver.
 
You can use that as a guide.
 Edit:
And last but not least.....You card is not a dud if you are 1 fps off the leaders. people get so invested in the score that they do not realize that it is like 1 to 2 fps in the grand scheme of things. if you were like 20 fps behind, then you can start with the rma campaign.
 
2021/01/26 15:59:49
emmett
Great guide right there. Follow it and you will do well.
 
And breaking 15K with core like jonksss said is no issue. My best with a little classified tool prodding is 15402  +0 mem. Work with core first.
2021/01/27 05:09:16
Dabadger84
emmett
Great guide right there. Follow it and you will do well.
 
And breaking 15K with core like jonksss said is no issue. My best with a little classified tool prodding is 15402  +0 mem. Work with core first.



How much voltage are you pushing to achieve that and what core clock?  I just swapped fans on my radiator for the card, the stock fans on it are actually horrible, garbage stock pressure with giant gaps between the blades - now running EK Vardar EVO RGB ones, we'll see how that goes, gonna do some regular gaming on it shortly since I'm taking the day off from OCing.
2021/01/27 10:05:58
bumfoto
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/823587
 
new score 16054
 
not ln2
2021/01/27 11:51:07
Dabadger84
johnksss
I had this long drawn out post, but not really worth it to explain.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/820304/pr/681933/pr/819320#
Bottom line I see a few things that are not the same as you seem to think they are.
1: steam version
2: 1412 on memory while your at 1375
3: older driver while your on newer one.
4: his average is higher than yours at 2181 mhz while you are 2177
5: you don't know what bios he is using.
6: you don't know if he is using classified or not.
7: you don't know if he is benching with open window or ac cooling.
8: he has an asus you have a gigabyte.
9: you dont know what his nvidia settings are.
10: you are running the same os and cpu speed as him. that seems to be about the only thing you have in common.
 
1: you need to reset your nv settings back to factory.
2: you need to drop the curve business for now.
3: you need to start by seeing how high your core can go.
4: you need to use the 520W version and quit slow dragging through the versions.
5: you need to use the classified tool to set voltage to 1.1V nvvdd and leave everything else alone.
6: you need to start at about 135+ on core and leave memory alone for now. work on one then the other. you pass, add +15 and run it again. don't worry about waiting. open gpuz and drop it to task manager. i use px1 for locking the clocks with boost lock
7: you will have crappy scores at first because you are just trying to see what the core will do vs the memory.
8: when you crash add .050mv to core and run the same clocks again. you are trying to see how high you can go before you max out at 540W as that's about where it stops for 520W vbios.
9: as was stated before. the count goes by 15's. so 105/120/135/150/165/180/195/210/225/240/255
10: as also stated before, you might crash because depending on which bin you are in your clocks will change. this is why on some days the same clocks will crash because they are running higher mhz at that setting. example +240 can go as high as 2295 if the temps are pretty low while on hot days some thing like 2265 or a bin lower.
11: can you break 15k with just core? yes you can.
once you get as high as you feel comfortable with, then start with memory. 1000 is a nice place to start as you don't need to move memory voltage. and go up in +100 increments till you crash. core is also at stock at this point. to get a 1400 mhz memory you need to be like +1500 to +1600 and if your room is a furnace, it's not gonna happen.
12: if your room and back of your card is like a furnace you can forget about getting any decent scores. just not going to happen. scores will be super crappy as you are looking for how high your memory overclocks for this time of day.
13: best to bench during the night with a window open and fan pointed towards your case or card.
14: learn the time, frames and fps points in the bench. if it isn't at a certain point no sense in letting it run till the end. you'll just be mad is all and wasted 2 minutes for nothing. stop bench and make a minor adjustment and run again.
14: never assume anyone with really good numbers is just hitting the go button and just miraculously has super great numbers. it's just not possible.
15: when you get your clocks set for a real good go at your best, then switch settings to performance mode in nv control panel and close out. and run bench.
16: best drivers are usually older drivers. 457.xx seems to do really well, although a few have been able to do with some newer drivers. not sure about the newest driver.
 
You can use that as a guide.
 Edit:
And last but not least.....You card is not a dud if you are 1 fps off the leaders. people get so invested in the score that they do not realize that it is like 1 to 2 fps in the grand scheme of things. if you were like 20 fps behind, then you can start with the rma campaign.
 



1: not using steam, pretty sure I stated that already
2. can't go any higher on vRAM, I tried, would likely have to increase voltage in Classified Tool, will probably try that later
3. I ran on 460.89 previously and my scores went up with the newer drivers, planning on using 457.51 as a lot of people seem to get good scores with those, for the next time I'm pushing for personal bests
4. 4MHz... seriously...
5 6 7 8 don't actually matter that much, if he's not using the 520W BIOS I'd be shocked, obviously it's not an open window because our average temps are the same, motherboard I probably have an advantage because of the memory layout being superior on the Gigabyte
9 - Unless I missed some recent discovery, my NVidia Control Panel settings are pretty "optimized" for benchmarking, with High Performance being set in filter etc.
10 that's literally why I chose THAT person to point out how their score is 400pts higher than mine for seemingly no reason... Glad you noticed.
 
2 (dunno why numbers started over, but swa) - As someone that's actually being helpful pointed out in PMs, the curve can actually gain you clock stability instead of it varying so much, but I am trying both with & without a curve set, obviously
3 Such help much wow
4: ??? You missed the screenshot with power draw a few posts before the score that is in the compare, that's fine - I am on the 520W BIOS.
5: Been there, done that
6: I started at where I started, 150 seems to be about the limit I could hit before increasing voltages in Classified Tool - and so far bumping the ones up that effect core voltage have no resulted in an increase in set-able clock, but have resulted in higher average clock & of course, higher power draw
7: I've done core first, then memory without core OCed, to see where each tops out, vRAM will not run much higher than 1250 without failing, score went up with 500, 1000 and 1250, then crashed at 1500 & 1350, so 1250 is where it is.
8: This is the part where I stopped once I got to 1.1V NVVDD because I was unsure how high people were going so I started looking over the thread, saw Sajin running 1.2V (assumably with higher than normal cooling) & figured I'd ask what others are running
9: Super aware, 15MHz increments has been the norm for a few generations now, much easier to calculate in the brain-parts than the increments on my old 1080 Ti was.
10: Aware I am
11: Can other people? Yes, can this system? Not yet, not even close, haven't gotten higher than 14.6k with just core tuning, yet
12: Temps are definitely not a problem:

Right side is max load temps in PR and that's with nothing special being done case-wise (no side off or whatnot)
13: I'll be letting the room get cool tomorrow when I resume pushing, but that's the most I'm doing, people can go crazy all they like with running in super-cool environmentals, I sleep in the same room, I'm not doin' that lol
14x2 Yes
15: This is exactly a problem I was having yesterday that made me get irritated & stop, I had clocks that would pass with Afterburner & GPUz open to monitor things, but once I closed them, for whatever reason, the benchmark would not pass again.  No idea what was going on there, but that happening repeatedly is what made me throw in the towel for the day... and that's with letting it cool down between runs
16: Yes as I said in an earlier number, plan on using 457.51s in the next runs, just to see how they do, but I'm also going to test with the 461.40s because like I said in an earlier post, they resulted in a stock-speed score increase of ~133pts from previous drivers I was using, which is well outside run-to-run variance for my system. 
 
And I know the card is definitely not a dud, I do think my vRAM is a bit weak though, nothing a lil' voltage bump might not fix, but it seems like +1250MHz on the memory is definitely sub-par.
 
bumfoto
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/823587
 
new score 16054
 
not ln2

 
I was about to say "Wow that's insane" then I saw your average temp & it made more sense, sick score either way though!
2021/01/27 12:38:35
johnksss
Dabadger84
 

Now that that part is out of the way.
1: 1300 memory, try moving mem voltage to 1.400V. I would not recommend going above 1.425V
2: move nvvdd to 1.150V or even 1.200V. adding voltage is going to start raising the watts. And you may think he is on 520w but he could be on 1000w bios. you would need to ask him. at this point we are speculating and not actually talking facts.
3: run your highest clocks that crashed and see if it completes.
4: if it does not, then change nvvdd ocp to disabled and run it again. you will know if your over because your card will flash red for like a millisecond and show you what voltage is the problem, each time it hits it.
5: get a time of the exact crash. pretty sure it's not enough voltage at this point. since you are nowhere near using too much voltage.
6: these cards are built with pretty highed parts so don't be scared to hit 1.2V if need be. this is benching not everyday clocks.
7: yes, i have used the curve, but it cuts like 10 percent of the max power in my many test. so i never use it for benching.(impo)
8: max fans unless your name is Luumi who seems to do excellent on auto fans and +1600 memory. LOL
 
hummm, open px1 if you installed it. click the boost lock then exit out of it. and try what you were doing.
you really only need to run gpuz at this point as its enough to give you most of your answers that matter. (impo)
 
And here is a big hint as you start adjusting your clocks. if you don't start at around 64 fps or higher, might as well not even run the bench. starting at 67 fps is like 15.4 to 15.5k. 68 is like 15.6 15.7. 69 is like 15.7 to 15.8 or so....
I was at 15k last night, but in a 85F room and no open windows and using the exact same clocks i now get this.
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