GTXJackBauer

Frammish
 
Also, graphics cards crash if you clock them too high. It’s just how it goes. All boards will fail at some level of overclock.

+1  Many people who don't get the OCs they want or passed the advertised speeds will think their GPU is an issue. 

As it stands, there are no issues with the GPUs and each one will OC differently from one another aka silicon lottery.

So absolutely zero (retail ready) EVGA cards are having issues with factory rated boost clocks? Because that would be much better news than what seems to be snowballing out.

I don’t know that answer. Nothing I’ve said about this capacitor issue precludes other issues on any manufacture’s boards, even EVGA’s. It could also be that the capacitor thing is only a band aid and that a true and proper fix requires a more involved change that manufacturers simply choose to treat as a defect.
 
I speak from experience. Sometimes you can make changes that totally resolve an issue and sometimes it’s a more fundamental problem.
 
Thing is, since EVGA says all their retail cards are proper, any other manufacturer’s cards failing clocks due to the capacitor issue is irrelevant. EVGA cards failing clocks would likely be some other issue. I can’t say for certain and am just taking them at their word. But EVGA guarantees these cards will hit and hold advertised clocks.
 
As these IC features get smaller, voltages get more critical. There is less margin for increasing or decreasing voltage. The 4 bit bits used on the memory bus are even more critical on voltages as they slice the logic voltage into 4 sublevels. We are probably going to have to rely more on the silicon lottery in the future than on our own ability to tweak voltages to get the highest clocks.
 
And users reporting issues only hints there could be a problem. It doesn’t mean there is one. So many are trying to run 3000 series cards on below-recommended rating power supplies and/or putting Y adapters on a single video power cable it’s not funny. The closer you get to a power supply's maximum rating, the more ripple and noise will be on the bus for mobo and video. That noise contributes big time to system overclockability or lack thereof. Until we see anecdotal evidence of crashing that excludes power and other issues, it’s hard to trust it.
 
What I do know is EVGA stands behind their stuff. I got a free step up over the thermal pad issue on the 10 series, and even a great deal on an EVGA power supply thrown in as a bonus. If you get an EVGA card that can’t hit its advertised clocks, they will make it right.
 
Actually, with how I was treated over that thermal pad issue, I’d be happy to get a slightly gimpy 3090 FTW3 Ultra because I know I’d at least get a great one in return and who knows what else. But I doubt that will happen.
 
On the other hand, I want a 3090 FTW3 Ultra. I need to stop posting so the rumor mill can give me the chance to get an order completed. 😁

Frammish
I don’t know that answer. Nothing I’ve said about this capacitor issue precludes other issues on any manufacture’s boards, even EVGA’s. It could also be that the capacitor thing is only a band aid and that a true and proper fix requires a more involved change that manufacturers simply choose to treat as a defect.
 
I speak from experience. Sometimes you can make changes that totally resolve an issue and sometimes it’s a more fundamental problem.
 
Thing is, since EVGA says all their retail cards are proper, any other manufacturer’s cards failing clocks due to the capacitor issue is irrelevant. EVGA cards failing clocks would likely be some other issue. I can’t say for certain and am just taking them at their word. But EVGA guarantees these cards will hit and hold advertised clocks.
 
As these IC features get smaller, voltages get more critical. There is less margin for increasing or decreasing voltage. The 4 bit bits used on the memory bus are even more critical on voltages as they slice the logic voltage into 4 sublevels. We are probably going to have to rely more on the silicon lottery in the future than on our own ability to tweak voltages to get the highest clocks.
 
And users reporting issues only hints there could be a problem. It doesn’t mean there is one. So many are trying to run 3000 series cards on below-recommended rating power supplies and/or putting Y adapters on a single video power cable it’s not funny. The closer you get to a power supply's maximum rating, the more ripple and noise will be on the bus for mobo and video. That noise contributes big time to system overclockability or lack thereof. Until we see anecdotal evidence of crashing that excludes power and other issues, it’s hard to trust it.
 
What I do know is EVGA stands behind their stuff. I got a free step up over the thermal pad issue on the 10 series, and even a great deal on an EVGA power supply thrown in as a bonus. If you get an EVGA card that can’t hit its advertised clocks, they will make it right.
 
Actually, with how I was treated over that thermal pad issue, I’d be happy to get a slightly gimpy 3090 FTW3 Ultra because I know I’d at least get a great one in return and who knows what else. But I doubt that will happen.
 
On the other hand, I want a 3090 FTW3 Ultra. I need to stop posting so the rumor mill can give me the chance to get an order completed. 😁

Thank you for the thought out and informative response. This was actually a good read.

Frammish, you simply expressed the thoughts of many. EVGA does not leave its people

roccale

LOL

EVGA_JacobF

Hi all,
 
Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series.
 
During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.
 
But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues.
 
Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch.
Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products!
 
Thanks
EVGA
 

 

FYI, The 3080 FTW3 Ultra product pics still show 6 POSCAP Version

Buildzoid said that this is an issue from Nvidia and AIBs. Since Nvidia approves all PCB designs, and AIB's didn't do enough QC's with the factory OC's. But, I believe they didn't really have enough time to properly test. What jacob says kind of reassures what Nvidia really wanted to rush to get this product out before the consoles/AMD's video cards. If EVGA spent a week trying to figure out the issue, then all other AIBs were trying to figure out this issue as well. Also explains the delays on certain cards. As someone who works in production (aerospace) I definitely understand the crunch and the mistakes that happen and the quality escapes that happen from it. 

ki11joy92
Buildzoid said that this is an issue from Nvidia and AIBs. Since Nvidia approves all PCB designs, and AIB's didn't do enough QC's with the factory OC's. But, I believe they didn't really have enough time to properly test. What jacob says kind of reassures what Nvidia really wanted to rush to get this product out before the consoles/AMD's video cards. If EVGA spent a week trying to figure out the issue, then all other AIBs were trying to figure out this issue as well. Also explains the delays on certain cards. As someone who works in production (aerospace) I definitely understand the crunch and the mistakes that happen and the quality escapes that happen from it. 

It is not a coincidence that most of the AIB mainstream overclocking cards were delayed (Strix, FTW3, AORUS), the only one we seem to have gotten at launch is the MSI Gaming X Trio. Its probably because the AIBs figured out something was going wonky and only pushed out their baseline cards to meet Nvidia's likely aggressive timeline and started diagnosing the issue and reworking their higher tier cards to address it just like EVGA indicated they did.

If anyone is still seeing card images on our website with the wrong array of capacitors at this point, it's likely either due to a cache issue with your browser or a caching issue on a server downstream from ours.  I remember something similar happened with the 20 Series and some of our content.  Either clear your cache in your browser or try a few CTRL+F5's on the image pages.

VBalls

TeslaDev
Still find it odd they used 220uF instead of 470uF, or 2 of each like the FE, for the SP Caps.  Unless the FE used 22uF on the MLCCs and EVGA is using 47uF...would have equal capacitance...but this is the FTW3...would expect better.  Strix looks to be rolling with 47uF for all 60 MLCCs per Buildzoid...giving more capacity with a better component.

 
This ^. Why is eVga using lower spec caps in a FTW board? Yeah they have a 4+2 setup, but I would have felt better if they were higher performance.

Hmm lets see if they can answer this pretty. I find it a interesting question if it matters at all though but still I would like to hear that as well :)
 
Fe has 2 470+220. Ftw 3 seems 4x220 xc3 5x220 but maybe all the smaller ones are bigger on the ftw compared to the fe so if you count them together does it matter at all? There are a whole laods and loads of smaller ones as well behind the gpu just check the pcture. And I do mean loads and loads of them.
And if it has not samish capacitance does it mater at all in real world usage? I am not a capacitance/capicitaor expert at all and I guess most of us aren't :)
 
If you check the forum people seems to have no issues whatssoever using them and oc ect.
 
For people that wanna know what we talk about see this pic
right fe with 2x220+2x470
left ftw3 4x 220

 

R3L3NTL3SS
Am I the only one who's perfectly happy with EVGA's confidence and just wants to finally buy a 3080 FTW3?

Nah I am quite happy with there recent statement and overall service but people can/may have questions right. That's where this forum is for. I just wanna learn sins I don't really understand the statements from buildzoid regarding higher cap number that''s why I am asking ;)


Still have my pre order open no worries :)