2020/09/26 05:42:29
TeslaDev
Relevant for anyone that wants to see why these are used:
 
https://components101.com/articles/decoupling-capacitor-vs-bypass-capacitors-working-and-applications
 
The use of varying capacitor types and sizes may be the way to go to filter the transients from power switching.
2020/09/26 05:44:38
2ndAmendment
A company is attempting to be semi-transparent and communicative, but it's still not enough for some people just looking to feel offended or slighted.  Nice.
 
Selfishly, I kind of hope this situation causes the scalpers/bots to cool off so I can grab a 3090 FTW3. 
2020/09/26 05:45:52
the_Scarlet_one
rougeau
If you look at the Black 3080 and 3090  the only ones that do not have a picture of the back... Hmm, I wonder what that means.
 

 
Edit: you cant post links?


Even though you joined in 2007, the forum software requires a minimum post count before you can post links.

For now, remove the period in the website.com we can put it back.
2020/09/26 06:02:06
bee144
Maxidrom2002
U guys knew about this issue weeks, if not months ago...and you are all coming out of the closet now...ONLY BECAUSE OF INDEPENDENT REPORTING. This is not how u build trust...
you’re really off your rocking horse. Issues happen and are caught all the time in QA.

We should all be relieved that no crappy 3080 cards made it to customers. That’s the news to celebrate here.
2020/09/26 06:05:05
bee144
Rusich
EVGA_JacobF
 wrote   -  There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.
 
So, EVGA GeForce RTX3080 Ultra FTW3 10 GB OC Enthusiast will only have MLCC ?
No, it’s literally in his statement. They’re now using 4+2, which is a move away from the all 6.
2020/09/26 06:06:18
roccale
serious is the fact  that EVGA in his statement dunno difference form poscap and sp-cap  : <<''During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing''>>
 
this is poscap:

 
and this is a sp-cap used in all the vgas circa:

 
And it's not the same tipe of cap...
 
LOL
 
No one 3000 series mount a POSCAP....at least not behind the DIE.
2020/09/26 06:09:52
roccale
https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/polymer-capacitors/poscap
 
 
https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/polymer-capacitors/sp-cap
 
 
it's incredible...
 
One is Conductive Polymer Tantalum Solid Capacitors (POSCAP)
 
the other is 
 
Conductive Polymer Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors (SP-Cap)
 
 No one considers or notices that they are talking about the wrong subject.
2020/09/26 06:22:22
oldcrank
USALion
oldcrank
Yeah it feels like there might be more going on with all 3080s than just the number/quality of the capacitors. While this appears to be one candidate for potential problems, it's clear that there might be more as others are finding with crashes still on those that have an adequate quantity of mlccs. (FE and TUF)
 


Can you cite your references for this? Not that I'm knocking you or wildly defending EVGA's fix, I just want to know objectively what's going on before I try to spend $800. (lmao, yeah right, I've been trying since launch and all that happens is their website crashes.)




Sorry, I was actually referencing Sanctuary's post earlier who cited HardwareUnboxed, but I clearly suck at quoting. :)
 
Here's the info in question:
Sanctuary



 
I don't know that we have a large enough sample size yet to really know what all the problems are, it's just data at this point. For all we know the FE and TUF crashing on their side was due to unstable overclocking. But I'm hoping we'll know more in the coming weeks as more testing is done. And just to clarify, none of this has put me off of an AIB card. I'll be upping my EVGA1070 to an EVGA3080 once the volumes level out without hesitation.
2020/09/26 06:40:47
Frammish
Once you know a manufacturer has addressed the noise issue with MLCC caps, it’s really hard to know which is the better solution, 1 MLCC station, 2, or all the way to 6. Those capacitors don’t live in a vacuum. They are part of that entire circuit which includes the on-board power supply, many other components, the GPU, and even the circuit board itself. You can’t tell by visual inspection if one arrangement is better than another. It takes proper test equipment to really know.
 
As was pointed out, there are lots of different kinds of dielectrics and many more capacitance values. MLCC capacitors that small don’t have markings on them either. Once soldered down, about all you can say is it’s a cap and even that can be hard sometimes. The range of values and electrolytes/composition means boards that look identical can actually be very different. The poly caps and the MLCC caps are each good for certain frequency ranges and stored charge but it is important to remember other components and structures are also involved, and these are systems.
 
So without proper test equipment, our only handle on the situation is how well the board clocks. If EVGA guarantees a clock rate and the board hits it, it’s good. That’s the same for any manufacturer. With smaller and smaller transistors, we are moving into the regime where we don’t get to push the limits as much as we used to.
 
Without test equipment to see the actual noise and ripple, we have no way to say one board’s compliment of MLCC caps is better than a different model or manufacturer’s board. Again, these are systems and these MLCC and poly caps are part of that. The ASUS board may have more trouble with high frequency noise and need all those MLCC caps and not need the polys. The EVGA boards may be better off with a few polys in the mix to smooth the ripple. Both are probably looking for the steadiest, cleanest, and most stable power rails under the GPU.
 
And cost probably also factors in. Nobody likes to replace one component with 10. Ignoring actual component cost differences (probably a few pennies per board max) placing all those caps takes time and slows production lines, increases the chances of defects, etc. We have no handle on how important that is to manufacture decisions but it could be a complicating factor.
 
Just in general, as IC feature size gets smaller, voltages get more critical and can’t be boosted or lowered near as much as they used to. For those wanting to overclock, get the best regulated and filtered power supply you can and don’t run it at its limit. Clean power gets critical at the lower voltages these chips operate at and just helps the on-board power supplies and filtering.
2020/09/26 06:43:30
anarchy998
This is exactly why I always only buy EVGA

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