rjohnson11
22 cores would be terrible at 14nm. Better for Intel to wait until 10nm is available as to lower the TDP. 

Clearly this is a stopgap measure and likely something they were keeping in their back pocket in case they needed to become more aggressive with their product offerings.  Looks like they had problems with Ice Lake 10nm in mobile low power and are working towards a better roll out with medium power server Ice Lake Xeon's later this year.  Going to be a while before they are ready to offer a high power HEDT 10nm, but maybe they'll get their act together sooner rather than later.  Maybe leverage the server part more directly, with a fancy new HEDT platform with bigger socket and pcie 4.  Ice lake server is reported to be 4189 contacts.

kevinc313
Going to be a while before they are ready to offer a high power HEDT 10nm, but maybe they'll get their act together sooner rather than later.

Looks like they are ready to release a super high power HEDT 14nm. 

ty_ger07

kevinc313
Going to be a while before they are ready to offer a high power HEDT 10nm, but maybe they'll get their act together sooner rather than later.

Looks like they are ready to release a super high power HEDT 14nm. 

Hey if people were willing to buy the i9-9980XE at $2000 and are willing to buy the W-3175X at $3000 (plus $1800 MB), they'll definitely be willing to buy a i9-10990XE at say, $1500.  Assuming it's not vaporware.  Might not beat a 3970X in multithread loads, but it may have really strong single core performance.

kevinc313

ty_ger07

kevinc313
Going to be a while before they are ready to offer a high power HEDT 10nm, but maybe they'll get their act together sooner rather than later.

Looks like they are ready to release a super high power HEDT 14nm. 

Hey if people were willing to buy the i9-9980XE at $2000 and are willing to buy the W-3175X at $3000 (plus $1800 MB), they'll definitely be willing to buy a i9-10990XE at say, $1500.  Assuming it's not vaporware.  Might not beat a 3970X in multithread loads, but it may have really strong single core performance.

Good investment for that price running single core CPU🙄

So, if they're binning these, is it gonna be a soft launch and have a dozen on store shelves and say it's spooking AMD? 

Brad_Hawthorne
So, if they're binning these, is it gonna be a soft launch and have a dozen on store shelves and say it's spooking AMD? 

AMD will just casually roll over and fart out something better. 

People who already have a significant outlay into a x299 system will likely buy it.

kevinc313
People who already have a significant outlay into a x299 system will likely buy it.

That is debatable.  I have the X299 and to upgrade to 10 core is presently $649.99 plus tax.  12 core will be $799 plus tax and 16 core will be $899.  To purchase the Ryzen 3900X (12 core $479.99) and a good motherboard (around $200), why would I pay MORE to get a comparable upgrade from Intel.  Yes...they have lowered their prices...but they are still higher than AMD, and AMD, performancewise, eats Intel's lunch, run cooler and are 7 nm vs 14.  Not sure I will invest any more into what I already have.  Also...my 7820X at 4.6 GHZ all core performs on the same level as the Intel 9700K and 9900.  9900K and KS slightly better in single core because they can reach 5.0 GHZ, but only by 20-30 points.  Multicore...about even.  Memory wise...I score an 84,000 read / write where they all score in the 52-55,000 range.  The next gen will tell the story for Intel.  If they can't match AMD, by the time Ryzen 4000 series releases...much more damage to Intel's position in the market will happen

bobmitch

kevinc313
People who already have a significant outlay into a x299 system will likely buy it.

That is debatable.  I have the X299 and to upgrade to 10 core is presently $649.99 plus tax.  12 core will be $799 plus tax and 16 core will be $899.  To purchase the Ryzen 3900X (12 core $479.99) and a good motherboard (around $200), why would I pay MORE to get a comparable upgrade from Intel.  Yes...they have lowered their prices...but they are still higher than AMD, and AMD, performancewise, eats Intel's lunch, run cooler and are 7 nm vs 14.  Not sure I will invest any more into what I already have.  Also...my 7820X at 4.6 GHZ all core performs on the same level as the Intel 9700K and 9900.  9900K and KS slightly better in single core because they can reach 5.0 GHZ, but only by 20-30 points.  Multicore...about even.  Memory wise...I score an 84,000 read / write where they all score in the 52-55,000 range.  The next gen will tell the story for Intel.  If they can't match AMD, by the time Ryzen 4000 series releases...much more damage to Intel's position in the market will happen

Haven't heard of anyone downgrading from X299 to a 3900X.

kevinc313
Haven't heard of anyone downgrading from X299 to a 3900X.

Downgrade? Did you read anything he wrote? You're acting like a troll in thread after thread.