2019/11/06 14:08:39
EVGATech_DanielM
Ah so it even had a unstable factory OC for the 1080Ti. Got it, that makes more sense. What PSU are you using? I will be interested to see the comparison myself. Ill update Sunday. Have a good rest of your day. 



2019/11/06 14:50:04
bavor
I am using a Seasonic SS-760XP2 760 watt 80+ Platinum power supply.  My GTX 1080 ti had the same issue of not going above base clock speed when it was tested in another PC with an EVGA 850 watt 80+ Gold power supply.  
 
I also remembered that the benchmarks my GTX 1080 ti wouldn't run at 2101 MHz GPU speed were unigine heaven and unigine superposition.  Otherwise I would have allowed it to run at a higher frequency for everything.
2019/11/10 17:15:46
EVGATech_DanielM
Hello! I was able to bring in my 1080Ti FTW3 DT and benched it against the 2080 XC 2183-KR 
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20915547/fs/20915472  
 
This test was on stock clocks, fresh OS install, and fans cranked at 75% for each card. As you can see, the performance of the 1080Ti FTW3 is 1.0% faster and this is only using the 1080p free edition and is how we would judge a direct replacement. While the definition of equal performance is a slippery slope, we feel these cards are equal performing and there would be no way a customer could identify the difference between the two in game. We do not have the Extreme or Ultra tests here at the office but I do have it at home and I can try to get an accurate testing between the 2. As you can also see instead of your 6700K we used a 6600K to try and mirror your set up but not identical and even the CPU scores increased on the 2080 test line. 
2019/12/03 05:38:58
bavor
Before you posted a link to your 1080 ti results that showed a clock speed of 1987 MHz when compared ot mine:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20010235/fs/20878622#
 
The comparison you posted showed the 1080 ti at a much lower clock speed of 1886 MHz with the 2080 at 1995 MHz.  Also the memory clock was at 1377 MHz vs the previous results showing 1477 MHz.  
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20915547/fs/20915472
I understand they both were at stock clocks.  I understand the policy, but who buys a FTW3 Hybrid card to run it at stock clocks?  
 
I still feel that my replacement GPU is slower than the one I had previously, but there is nothing I can do about it because of the policy.  It seems that the policy is out of touch with the end user who buys the higher tiered products with better cooling for the intention of overclocking.  The few game benchmarks that I have from the 1080 ti are still higher FPS at the same settings than the 2080 at its maximum stable overclock.  However the newest 1080 ti results that I have are from spring and summer of 2019, so they are all from at least a few months before I received the 2080.  Its just hard to believe that scores in benchmarks and FPS in games can change 10% or more in a few months.  I have tried two Corsaid fans meant for watercoolign radiators in a push pull configuration on the radiator of my 2080 to make it run cooler and that still can't give me the same results as my 1080 ti did.  I put the 2080 in a new Ryzen 3800X system where the CPU water cooled and over clocked and still can't obtain the same graphics benchmark scores I received with my 1080 ti.  I'll do a fresh Windows 10 install on my old 6700K system to see if I can get the 2080 to give any better results and to compare the drivers from last summer vs now to see if there is any difference.
 
Basically, I feel that the policy is the same as if Intel replaced an i7-3770K with an i7-3700 under warranty because they both give the same benchmark results when run at stock speeds.  Yes I know old CPUs in the example, but that was back when the K series CPUs and the non K CPUs had the same base and boost clocks.
 
 
2019/12/03 06:12:13
RainStryke
You can request for them to give you a GTX 1080Ti in replacement. That's what most have done from what I have seen. Gauging various benchmarks i've done recently, the GTX 1080Ti is still a little better than a RTX 2080. I had to push my RTX 2080 really hard to get it to be about 5% faster than a GTX 1080Ti on the Tomb Raider benchmark.
 
On a side note, the memory on that RTX 2080 is good for a 1000MHz+ to overclock.
2019/12/03 10:10:21
bavor
RainStryke
On a side note, the memory on that RTX 2080 is good for a 1000MHz+ to overclock.



The memory of this RTX 2080 hasn't been stable much above a 700 MHz overclock.  I've tried going much higher and it never works.  
 
Also, the latest benchmarks I've seen show that the RTX 2080 with the newer drivers should be faster than the GTX 1080 ti.  It doesn't seem that there is anythign wrong with this RTX 2080, but I'm nowhere near begin faster(or even the same) in game FPS or benchmarks than my GTX 1080 ti.
2019/12/03 20:56:52
EVGATech_DanielM
bavor
Before you posted a link to your 1080 ti results that showed a clock speed of 1987 MHz when compared ot mine:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20010235/fs/20878622#
 
The comparison you posted showed the 1080 ti at a much lower clock speed of 1886 MHz with the 2080 at 1995 MHz.  Also the memory clock was at 1377 MHz vs the previous results showing 1477 MHz.  
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20915547/fs/20915472
I understand they both were at stock clocks.  I understand the policy, but who buys a FTW3 Hybrid card to run it at stock clocks?  
 
I still feel that my replacement GPU is slower than the one I had previously, but there is nothing I can do about it because of the policy.  It seems that the policy is out of touch with the end user who buys the higher tiered products with better cooling for the intention of overclocking.  The few game benchmarks that I have from the 1080 ti are still higher FPS at the same settings than the 2080 at its maximum stable overclock.  However the newest 1080 ti results that I have are from spring and summer of 2019, so they are all from at least a few months before I received the 2080.  Its just hard to believe that scores in benchmarks and FPS in games can change 10% or more in a few months.  I have tried two Corsaid fans meant for watercoolign radiators in a push pull configuration on the radiator of my 2080 to make it run cooler and that still can't give me the same results as my 1080 ti did.  I put the 2080 in a new Ryzen 3800X system where the CPU water cooled and over clocked and still can't obtain the same graphics benchmark scores I received with my 1080 ti.  I'll do a fresh Windows 10 install on my old 6700K system to see if I can get the 2080 to give any better results and to compare the drivers from last summer vs now to see if there is any difference.
 
Basically, I feel that the policy is the same as if Intel replaced an i7-3770K with an i7-3700 under warranty because they both give the same benchmark results when run at stock speeds.  Yes I know old CPUs in the example, but that was back when the K series CPUs and the non K CPUs had the same base and boost clocks.
 
 


I completely understand where you are coming from but we cannot take any type of overclocking into consideration when replacing a product based on performance. The tests I posted are from the driver from that date on a clean OS. This is exactly how we gauge the replacement options. The cards I tested were factory spec and still boosted above the advertised clocks. I do apologize you are frustrated. This would not be the same as swapping a K for a non K chip as it simply has features that are locked away from the consumer with a 3770 and that is not remotely close to what we do. Not all cards clock the same but if you sent in a silicon lottery GPU which it sounds like you did, we would not go through every card to see if we can test each individual one to match the exact performance. The performance difference you are describing are a few FPS at the most. The original 1987 speed was on my system and the GPU simply boosted to that speed and no overclock was set and your previous 1080Ti in GPU still beat mine. It just sounds like you sent in an extremely clockable 1080Ti. 
2019/12/03 21:24:45
Hoggle
The performance should be pretty close to equal and it's also worth considering the ray tracing feature which is starting to become important I feel but admit it's something that is different to each gamer. I personally would rather play Cyberpunk 2077 on the 2080 then a 1080Ti.
2019/12/03 21:34:59
EVGATech_DanielM
Hoggle
The performance should be pretty close to equal and it's also worth considering the ray tracing feature which is starting to become important I feel but admit it's something that is different to each gamer. I personally would rather play Cyberpunk 2077 on the 2080 then a 1080Ti.


A thing to note is we do not take RTX features into account just as overclocking in regards to performance replacement options. 
2019/12/04 03:39:13
browns72
I'm far from an expert, but I also have a 1080 ti FTW 3 Hybrid. I got lucky being able to do a stable overclock to 2025 MHz and found it placed pretty high in Superposition (1080p). I believe when it comes to 4k that memory plays a huge part in testing (11 gb vs 8). If you want a 1080ti back, you should get on the horn with evga. I remember when I bought the hybrid cooler I got sent an older model that shorted the card and was unable to display. I RMA'd the cooler and got the same issue so they sent me a prebuilt hybrid in exchange for the cooler and card. The customer service in my experience does really well in this sort of thing. Hope this helps!
 
 

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