2016/05/12 21:39:18
Xavier Zepherious
3 or 4 way it's double the lanes/wires - so double the bandwidth
 
What galls me that they can't double the communication speed or boost it and put on a better connector - ie Sli 2.0
Nvidia has had time to conceive of an upgrade and handle signal processing to handle more bandwidth in the card...but can't handle a bit more on the Sli bridge
2016/05/12 21:48:49
the_Scarlet_one
If your assumption that using 3 or 4 way simply doubles the wires and in turn doubles the bandwidth, then using 2 single bridges would have done the same thing. Sadly, that assumption is wrong as it didn't and doesn't double anything.

It has been stated that the HB bridge won't work with older cards, so best guess is the wiring has changed to actually double the bandwidth, and since it is currently only compatible with the 1080, I wonder if it has something to do with G5X (the nicely shortened name for GDDR5X).
2016/05/12 22:02:35
Xavier Zepherious
actually there would be a few set lines locked to 5v or gnd (instead of normal signal - on the bridge)to indicate HB bridge - so the software/drivers can kick in and change the bridge config on the card from standard to HB
you might also use a few lines to help signal processing too
 
as a engineer and computer scientist id know quite a bit about this
i used to design hardware and VLSI chips - and wrote drivers for Nvidia cards
 
but my analysis would be correct - most of the bandwidth comes from doubling the lines
 
2016/05/12 22:12:11
the_Scarlet_one
Then why doesn't it kick in with the old Bridge? If the 1080 can't use the old Bridge and the lines are run the same, that would denote. Ore than just simple lines, would it not?

Personally, I know for a fact they aren't going to give out wiring schematics all that easy, but I would like to see the change.

Your original statement says three or four way is double the lines, so double the bandwidth. When using a 3 or 4 way that would increase the throughput compared to a single finger being used, correct? No.. It didn't. Using both fingers in 2 way didn't increase any performance.

Or, am I misunderstanding what you're trying to say? Obviously there are greater changes to the new bridge, or it would be backward compatible.
2016/05/13 00:09:37
Xavier Zepherious
Standard Sli

 
thats 1-1 pin all going to same pin numbers 2-2 and so on
 
and it doesn't matter if you install the bridge in the front or back sli  in 2 way
 
now saying that - some are data - some are hardware signal lines - ack/nack/control lines
you need 8 or 16 for data - that would leave 8pins for other uses - power gnd and control/flow
 
we know one is used for lighting a sli bridge  ie 5v otherwise lit bridge would change with activity
 
process lines could indicate send /receive data - or indicate data or address location
you could have 8 data and 8 address - but im assuming you use a control lines to specific data/address and use 16bits for both 
since i don't know all the particular pinouts it's moot
 
in 3 way you have double bandwidth but 3 cards

 assume  a hookup like this
 
1-------->2------>3 - and use 2 pins to indicate what card data sent to or address or command
1<--------2<------3      that goes for both directions
 
or option 2 you use a control line to indicate flow
and do only one flow direction - and flip when you want to do data/info the other way
 
 
4 way

 
 
however comes the problem with control.... sli works master and  slave and slavemaster 2 and slave 3
where slave2 is master over slave 3 and master can control slave 2
 
so i bridge used for control
down to double bandwidth/ 4 - control overhead
 
look at this from bandwidth perspective
using 1 bridge for 2 cards - normal
if it was possible using 1 bridge for 3 - 1/2 bandwidth...... for 4 cards  - 1/4 bandwidth
 
using 2 bridges  for 2 cards - double bandwidth - for 3 cards double/3 - overhead (close to normal bandwidth).... for 4 cards double/4 - overhead less than normal bandwidth 
and why Sli has problems scaling
you lose bandwidth as you add cards
 
 
the HB bridge would not need the extra control lines - this you can hang one high ie 5v and one low(gnd) to indicate to the cards and drivers a hb bridge
on the other cards the bridge would hang/fail the SLI
 
if you use regular bridges on 1080 would work normally
2016/05/13 04:53:14
Goobers
@Xavier Zepherious
3-way doesn't work that way. As you can actually use three 2-way SLI bridges (at least one has to be flexible!)
 
Card 1, FINGER 1 goes to C2-F1
C2-F2 -> C3-F1 (or F2)
C1-F2 -> C3-F2 (or F1, if F2 was already used)
 
Think of it as "Round Robin."
 
4-way SLI... is NOT round robin like 3-way... but instead a "2-way-2-way SLI."
 
Card 1 <-> 2 get a 2-way bridge
Card 3 <-> 4 get a 2-way bridge
 
pair 1+2 <-> pair 3+4 gets the third 2-way bridge (either 1 to 3 or 2 to 4).
 
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As for this whole thing about master and slave... it's actually set in software.
2016/05/13 04:56:49
cursed_prophet2012
omg guys im just so hoping for 3 and 4 way sli configs on these crazy cards, ok so im on live chat with geforce live assist
im asking the big question straight up lol gimme a minute peeps im gonna have to hussle this guy for the info lol
 
2016/05/13 05:11:14
cursed_prophet2012
sorry guys i tired lol
 

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2016/05/13 05:14:22
the_Scarlet_one
You'll probably get the same answer as everyone else, lol.

*you posted while I was reading through the thread*

You only spent 10 minutes trying. I guarantee many other people have spent way more time trying and got the same information.

People need to just wait. It's not that far away and the review sites will be able to spill their guts.
2016/05/13 09:46:35
ragevirusqq
3 way and 4 way does work. listen to someone who knows first hand. Jaystwocents show from yesterday. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvfX0QZbYU
 
 
 

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