2015/02/11 10:16:16
aronh17
chrcoluk
fkrIII
chrcoluk
will evga accept the card with my free backplate fitted?


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Please make sure that you include all parts and accessories with the retail box when you send your product in. Please be sure to ship your return product to EVGA via a traceable air express company, which can provide you with a proof of delivery if necessary. (i.e. UPS, FedEx, Airborne Express, Burlington or DHL).
 
Products must be returned in their original factory condition (back plates, brackets, etc. will be removed and discarded) and must be free from physical modification or damage per the terms of our warranty.
 
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/




I have already that so the copy and paste has me still confused.
 
yes or no to my question please.


You're better off just taking it off of the GPU, but from that it seems they will accept it. They will get rid of the backplate.
 
Edit: Also since you're stepping up to the SSC or FTW+ the backplate won't fit anyways. I'd still take the backplate off and put the original screws in just for an easier process.
2015/02/11 10:58:11
chrcoluk
taking it off is risk of me breaking it plus will need to clean the memory chips from the thermal goo.  So I prefer not to.
However it seems to do a step up in the uk is over expensive, I am not proceeding if I have to spend £80+ to ship the card to evga.  Thats the UPS standard price, or £90 for express.
2015/02/11 13:34:09
johnerz
If you put the back plate on  then you need to take it off - thay can and may charge you extra if you don't  
 
I've replied about the cost in you other thread :(
2015/02/11 16:41:09
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levifig
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@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.




Thank you man!! <3
Ya, the gamble only exists because EVGA isn't binning the chips for their top-of-the-line FTW+, which was the most disappointing part of this whole thing. It is surprising to hear of FTW/SC cards with higher ASIC rating getting significantly worse overclocks though… In those cases, maybe the gamble is worth it. To be honest, adding voltage to either of mine was barely helpful after hitting the wall at only +25mV even on the second card… :( So, 1455Mhz is how much of an increase over the "stock" (EVGA's) OC for that card?
 
Anyway, a gamble might be what you need… not sure! :P
 
Thanks for the feedback on the videos man! <3


The stock OC on my FTW was 1392.2 so 1455 was not much of an increase. It would have been great if EVGA had binned these. It could have been a major selling point and a reason for overclockers to get the FTW+ over the SSC if the backplate and higher factory OC wasn't enough.
2015/02/12 02:16:31
Teemeister
chrcoluk
will evga accept the card with my free backplate fitted?




YES. At least they did in my case.
2015/02/12 03:31:09
aronh17
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@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.


That's exactly the clockspeed my old FTW was running on overclock, and it had an ASIC of 72.8% but I highly doubt that my new FTW+ coming in on Monday will be slower. Even with a lower ASIC it should still do better. It was all about the lack of power draw and 4+2 phase power setup. Did you get your FTW+ yet or did you mean next Wednesday?
2015/02/13 10:48:23
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aronh17
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@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.


That's exactly the clockspeed my old FTW was running on overclock, and it had an ASIC of 72.8% but I highly doubt that my new FTW+ coming in on Monday will be slower. Even with a lower ASIC it should still do better. It was all about the lack of power draw and 4+2 phase power setup. Did you get your FTW+ yet or did you mean next Wednesday?


I got in on Wednesday and have been messing around with it for the last couple days. With no additional OC (1367 boost clock) it scores 12300-12400 graphics in firestrike! That's much better than my FTW that would score 11900 at it's stock 1392.2 clock.
 
The one small annoyance for me is that unlike the FTW, the FTW+ will throttle at 60-65C, lowering the voltage from 1.225v to 1.2v as well as one boost bin. I confirmed this by running the fans at 100%, keeping the card right at 60C. It didn't throttle. Adding atleast +25mV, putting the voltage at 1.243v seems to override the temp throttle and it will stay at 1.243 with the core temp around 67C.
 
The max stable OC I have so far is 1493mhz core and 7600mhz mem, run through multiple runs of firestrike and some CoD: AW campaign. This is without any voltage added so it mostly sits at 1481mhz at 1.2v. The ASIC is only 63.9%. At first when I looked at it I was a bit worried that it wouldn't OC and would be worse than my FTW.
 
One other thing I noticed. The FTW sagged a little bit in the PCI-E slot. This new FTW+ sits perfectly straight. I'm not sure if adding a backplate to the FTW is something that would have fixed that. Anyway, could go on, but I'll leave it at that
2015/02/13 12:28:11
aronh17
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aronh17
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@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.


That's exactly the clockspeed my old FTW was running on overclock, and it had an ASIC of 72.8% but I highly doubt that my new FTW+ coming in on Monday will be slower. Even with a lower ASIC it should still do better. It was all about the lack of power draw and 4+2 phase power setup. Did you get your FTW+ yet or did you mean next Wednesday?


I got in on Wednesday and have been messing around with it for the last couple days. With no additional OC (1367 boost clock) it scores 12300-12400 graphics in firestrike! That's much better than my FTW that would score 11900 at it's stock 1392.2 clock.
 
The one small annoyance for me is that unlike the FTW, the FTW+ will throttle at 60-65C, lowering the voltage from 1.225v to 1.2v as well as one boost bin. I confirmed this by running the fans at 100%, keeping the card right at 60C. It didn't throttle. Adding atleast +25mV, putting the voltage at 1.243v seems to override the temp throttle and it will stay at 1.243 with the core temp around 67C.
 
The max stable OC I have so far is 1493mhz core and 7600mhz mem, run through multiple runs of firestrike and some CoD: AW campaign. This is without any voltage added so it mostly sits at 1481mhz at 1.2v. The ASIC is only 63.9%. At first when I looked at it I was a bit worried that it wouldn't OC and would be worse than my FTW.
 
One other thing I noticed. The FTW sagged a little bit in the PCI-E slot. This new FTW+ sits perfectly straight. I'm not sure if adding a backplate to the FTW is something that would have fixed that. Anyway, could go on, but I'll leave it at that


Nice to know that even with that ASIC you're that close to 1500 MHz. It's not always ASIC it seems, chips are always different.
2015/02/13 15:34:42
fkrIII
I have been doing some reading on these maxwell chips and there are some interesting things that I have found.
 
First there is no correlation between the asic score and the eventual overclock.  my first 970 sc had an asic of 78 and it overclocked right to 1500. the only thing the asic does is set your base boost clock but  it does not ensure that you will be able to get anything over that limit.  my current ssc+ with an asic of 67% gets to 1560+
 
here is another that I have noticed with maxwell cards.  same card same asic score and yet we will see a difference in boost clocks.  this seems to be part of the maxwell voltage controller and how it dynamically tries to keep up with heat, voltage and core clock.  In other words you can set two cards with an offset of +90 and you will get two different boost clocks.  For example, with our five different EVGA GTX 960 SSC cards, with a GPU offset of +90 MHz, the resulting peak Boost clock speeds were 1544 MHz, 1558 MHz, 1519 MHz, 1533 MHz and 1507 MHz. But that did not indicate where the final stable overclocked speed would sit. One card would reach as high as 1547 MHz (with a +130 MHz offset) while others would find the +90 mark to be their limit. Essentially, the GPU offset is a rather useless metric for comparing card clock rates, even among identical products. 
 
source:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-960-Overclocking-Report-13-Cards-Tested
 
you must check in game and never use these furry tests or anything that pushes unneeded voltage to the GPU as it will not show you any real world results.  you must test in game.  I use metro ll, rome total war 2,  valley and heaven benchmarks, tomb raider and any game i am currently playing.  these all have built in benchmarks and are great for testing real world results.  I have on occasion scene my card boost over 1560MHz all on its own then bring itself back down.
 
source:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/02/02/msi_geforce_gtx_960_gaming_overclocking_review/2
 
the above has some good info if you go to the "overclocking has changed" part,  the only thing to be taken into account is with the ssc+ we have allot more power target headroom so you can increase your voltage and it can help with stability and overclock.
 
 
other news and notes pertaining to my ssc+ and overclocking.
 
I have noticed a consistent voltage drop that drops the core clock by 13Hz (not at reference clocks).  The only voltage offsets that really seem to do anything for me are at +10,20,30,40.  at +40 I can keep the voltage at 1.243.  anything lower  than +40 and that voltage will drop all on its own after a couple of minutes.  btw my power usage is still not breaking 100% and I can leave my power limit set at 100% and it has no negative effect.  this is a 67 asic score card.
 
while testing OC in rome total war 2 I have noticed a firm limit right at 3.5 GDDR usage.  I need to test more to see if I can hit 4 GDDR usage but it seems to reallocate memory back down to 3.5 while benchmarking.  I have done very limited testing for this game so far but if anybody else wanted to see if it occurred for them that would be cool.  I am trying to find as many memory hogs as I can so that I can better asses when and what types of games will need and want the 4 GDDR both now and in the future.  I like strategy games so seeing a limit in that type of game would be troublesome for me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
2015/02/13 16:34:28
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I have noticed a consistent voltage drop that drops the core clock by 13Hz (not at reference clocks).  The only voltage offsets that really seem to do anything for me are at +10,20,30,40.  at +40 I can keep the voltage at 1.243.  anything lower  than +40 and that voltage will drop all on its own after a couple of minutes.  btw my power usage is still not breaking 100% and I can leave my power limit set at 100% and it has no negative effect.  this is a 67 asic score card.
 
Edit: Not sure what happened to the quote , but the above is a quote from fkrIII


It seems like you're noticing the same voltage/boost clock "behavior" as I am except that mine does this at it's stock settings of 1380/1.225v to 1367/1.2v. Only at 1.243v will the clock speed and voltage stay put. Have you noticed if their seems to be a correlation with temperature? I think these new cards are "programmed" to throttle at around 65C similarly to the Gigabyte G1, not sure what others are like this.

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