2015/02/02 08:35:52
chrcoluk
my hesitation has cost me, the card has gone up in price by 100 euros now so no longer is just shipping if I step up.
 
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submitted, is ok shipping only as I Forgot to calculate the VAT I paid.
2015/02/02 08:38:59
chrcoluk
Azuroth
fkrIII
So I just received by stepup ssc+ today.  it runs cooler and quieter than the old sc I had.
 
I have reached a non crashing boost clock of 1550 without any extra voltage in heaven and valley.  I had to turn it down to 1530 so that I had absolutely no glitches in the benchmark.  the memory is at 7950 right now and I have pushed it right up to 8000 but once again I started getting some texture pop ins and such so I lowered it
 
I am running at 1530/7950 at stock voltage and 110% power limit.
 
asic is 67.


That's about where I'm at.  At 1540 I start to see artifacts on my core clock, so I dropped it back to 1530.  Memory is sitting at 8120 (2030 according to GPU-Z).  At 8140 I started to see artifacts in OC Scanner memory burn, so I dropped it back a bit.
 
Don't have firestrike ultra, but at regular settings, I get:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5701591
 
ASIC is 66.6%




here is mine for comparison.  the FTW model.
 
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3948116
2015/02/08 14:15:44
levifig
Final video on this series: overclocking the 970 FTW+ and SLI benchmarks. I also share my opinion on the #RAMGATE issue and give some recommendations for folks interested in stepping-up or upgrading from different cards: http://youtu.be/8gWwoqrtmNQ
 
Enjoy. :)
2015/02/08 15:41:23
Teemeister
levifig
Final video on this series: overclocking the 970 FTW+ and SLI benchmarks. I also share my opinion on the #RAMGATE issue and give some recommendations for folks interested in stepping-up or upgrading from different cards: http://youtu.be/8gWwoqrtmNQ

Enjoy. :)




Thanks for the video, I watched the whole thing 
I agree with most of what you said. However, in my opinion the revised 970 SSC and FTW cards come with several important improvements that make them difficult to compare to the other 970s. Having had a 970 SC before with an ASIC of 78.5 and now an SSC with an ASIC of 64.5 I'm telling you the SSC overclocks much better and runs at lower temps. The SSC has yet to crash on me in a game running at 1500 MHz (a 130 MHz overclock, 110 power target) - the SC crashed frequently, presumably due to not getting enough power.
Yes, stepping up is a bit of a gamble as one might end up with a card that is of low or lower ASIC than the previous card. Taken all the advantages of the new cards together, the risk is worth it in my opinion.
2015/02/08 16:02:29
levifig
Teemeister
levifig
Final video on this series: overclocking the 970 FTW+ and SLI benchmarks. I also share my opinion on the #RAMGATE issue and give some recommendations for folks interested in stepping-up or upgrading from different cards: http://youtu.be/8gWwoqrtmNQ

Enjoy. :)




Thanks for the video, I watched the whole thing 
I agree with most of what you said. However, in my opinion the revised 970 SSC and FTW cards come with several important improvements that make them difficult to compare to the other 970s. Having had a 970 SC before with an ASIC of 78.5 and now an SSC with an ASIC of 64.5 I'm telling you the SSC overclocks much better and runs at lower temps. The SSC has yet to crash on me in a game running at 1500 MHz (a 130 MHz overclock, 110 power target) - the SC crashed frequently, presumably due to not getting enough power.
Yes, stepping up is a bit of a gamble as one might end up with a card that is of low or lower ASIC than the previous card. Taken all the advantages of the new cards together, the risk is worth it in my opinion.




Teemeister,
Ya, I can think of many reasons to upgrade but the reality is my recommendation still stands: if you're willing to gamble, then go for it. :P But it's still too much of a gamble to recommend it more broadly. :)
 
Thanks for watching the video and for your opinion, dude! ;)
2015/02/08 18:45:29
Premise

@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.
2015/02/09 03:04:04
Teemeister
@Levifig
Have you considered selling your low-ASIC FTW+ to an extreme overclocker? It might be a decent card for some LN fun 
2015/02/09 07:06:12
levifig
Premise

@Levifig - Great start to you're youtube channel. I liked the vids! You're right about the gamble with step-up. I'll be a little disappointed on Wednesday when I get my FTW+ if it's a worse overclocker then the FTW that I had, with an ASIC of 68.4%. It wouldn't even maintain it's factory boost clock without a modded bios. It needed around another 10 watts. Adding voltage was useless because of the power limit. I did experiment with high power and voltage, but decided that since I have no idea how hot the vrms were to not use it with such an extreme increase of power for long periods of time. Teemeister does have a good point. You're 59.2% ASIC card while not being the greatest is a much better overclocker than mine was. The best stable overclock I could get was 1455mhz at 1.212v. And I questioned the stability lol.




Thank you man!! <3
Ya, the gamble only exists because EVGA isn't binning the chips for their top-of-the-line FTW+, which was the most disappointing part of this whole thing. It is surprising to hear of FTW/SC cards with higher ASIC rating getting significantly worse overclocks though… In those cases, maybe the gamble is worth it. To be honest, adding voltage to either of mine was barely helpful after hitting the wall at only +25mV even on the second card… :( So, 1455Mhz is how much of an increase over the "stock" (EVGA's) OC for that card?
 
Anyway, a gamble might be what you need… not sure! :P
 
Thanks for the feedback on the videos man! <3
2015/02/09 07:07:22
levifig
Teemeister
@Levifig
Have you considered selling your low-ASIC FTW+ to an extreme overclocker? It might be a decent card for some LN fun 




I did think of it but decided to just return it since I could and didn't want to handle shipping and all of that stuff for no profit and potentially some loss… :X
2015/02/09 14:23:22
fkrIII
asic and overclock:
 
  starting with the asic score.  this does represent efficiency and it also sets what the max boost clocks that card will run at out of the factory (this is why a bios flash can help as it changes the asic to boost clock variable).  but efficiency has nothing to do with a max overclock of a gpu.  a high asic will achieve a more reliable overclocking potential since it is already closer to the overclock naturally.  simply put if you have a ASIC 82.9% then you have a Boost 1442.8 MHz, so getting to 1500 is not really all that much meanwhile a ASIC of 65.0% gives a Boost of 1379.5 MHz so getting to 1500 is a pretty significant increase.  In the end you are probably going to have to keep those temps significantly lower on that 65 asic card to get a good overclock but this does not correlate to the actual highest overclock that you can achieve.
 
 
when overclocking I noticed in your video you said that you never broke 80C.  why are you that close to the thermal limit.  people use ln2 to lower temps so I would assume you would use all of the cooling potential you have while testing an overclock.  do you run all of your tests at 100% fan speed, if not you really should when wanting to know what your max overclock is.  you can then lower your fan speed to see what the max temp that overclock will run at but I have noticed a temp barrier of around 60C while overclocking and I keep a slightly aggressive fan profile to keep my boost clocks but I have to stay under 60C to keep it completely stable. 
 
so the above is really all just to say that everybody should absolutely upgrade to the new ssc+ or the ftw+.  the new cooler, the new voltage control and increased limit, the extra 2 phases of voltage,  the mosfet plate, a second bios switch (if you wanted to flash now you can safely);  these all increase the longevity and reliability of the cards and are all things more than worth the upgrade from the old sc at the max potential cost being 50-100hz.  you would have to have such an exceptional example of the gtx970 to not upgrade for what is a significantly better overall GPU.
 
in the end I would bet that 90+% of the gtx970's will get to 1500 on the core with the correct temps and maybe a bios fix if needed.  In the overclockers world sometimes you have to be willing to do a bios flash to get the most out of your card or increase your fan speeds but these are the joys of overclocking not the why has this not been done for me attitude.
 
coil whine:
 
as far as coil whine I get none except for when I am f@h and doing a core 15.  I will get a noticeable but faint whine from the gpu.  I run this rig pretty nonstop and it seems that the coil whine is getting less and less with time.
 
frame pacing:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-GTX-970-Memory-Issues-Tested-SLI
 
read through these 4 articles for a great understanding of the situation and some good testing.  these reviews are still missing some info on shadow of mordor and what happens with frame pacing and runt frames at that 3.5 barrier but those are referenced and covered by others. 
 
AMD CF:
 
your experience may have been bad but I started running CF with a 7870 tahiti le (replaced an evga gtx560) and a MSI twin frzr 7950.  I later swapped out the 7870 for another MSI 7950.  I never ran into issues at 1440p @110hz.  frame pacing was an issue that came into play at first and for a long while but I ran a fps cap of 60 fps and at first I only had a 1080p monitor so it always seemed to run well for me since I was not pushing a resolution or performance limits.  later I bought a 1440p and by then frame pacing was inline with nvidia and as of now sites like hard ocp say that amd is better at frame pacing now than nvidia.  these things change with every driver but to say AMD has not caught up is wrong.  I understand that AMD has a resent history of driver issues but nvidias past is not exactly great either so who ever is performing right now is all that I care about.

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