CraptacularOne

rjbarker
400w or 450w or 460w......really doesnt matter imho...as long as the Card lasts longer 3-4 months with out another visit to the Red Light District I can live with any power balancing issues or power delivery issues.
 
For what its worth my highest PR and TS Scores peaked out my Card around 445w...whether that means anything or not....at this point dont really care.
 
Real world gaming performance is what matters to me ....after the initial becnhmarking with a new Card.
This 3080Ti has been quite solid thru 120 Hrs of CP77....and now FC6 w High Texture Pak is solid as well....Valhalla etc.
 
Really...after all the initial benchmarking is said and done (dont know anyone that "plays" PR or TS), best tests for the Cards is to find a decent OC and game on....I have settled on +120/+750....no crashes in any games.
 

Now power balancing across the 3 PCIe plugs I do think is a questionable issue. But seeing as EVGA keeps maintaining that's how they designed them I guess I'll deal with it. My RTX 3080 Ti FTW 3 behaves like all the other's I've seen in that plugs 1 & 2 will pull more than plug 3. 

Yep exactly what I have found with 3 different RTX 30xx series Cards...the first Card I literally spent hours n hours trying to "figure it out".....finally tagged up with a couple of other members here also trying to figure it out...between the 3 of us, we simply gave up and carried on....none of us were interested in "shunt modding" our Cards......
...perhaps the "Red Light District" its a result of power balancing or power delivery.....no idea as Im not an Electrical Engineer....but this current Ti replacement Card has proven solid so far....
 
Hopefully there are some "lessons learned" with this round of RTX Cards that will be taken into consideration for the RTX 40xx series ;)

rjbarker

CraptacularOne

rjbarker
400w or 450w or 460w......really doesnt matter imho...as long as the Card lasts longer 3-4 months with out another visit to the Red Light District I can live with any power balancing issues or power delivery issues.
 
For what its worth my highest PR and TS Scores peaked out my Card around 445w...whether that means anything or not....at this point dont really care.
 
Real world gaming performance is what matters to me ....after the initial becnhmarking with a new Card.
This 3080Ti has been quite solid thru 120 Hrs of CP77....and now FC6 w High Texture Pak is solid as well....Valhalla etc.
 
Really...after all the initial benchmarking is said and done (dont know anyone that "plays" PR or TS), best tests for the Cards is to find a decent OC and game on....I have settled on +120/+750....no crashes in any games.
 

Now power balancing across the 3 PCIe plugs I do think is a questionable issue. But seeing as EVGA keeps maintaining that's how they designed them I guess I'll deal with it. My RTX 3080 Ti FTW 3 behaves like all the other's I've seen in that plugs 1 & 2 will pull more than plug 3. 

Yep exactly what I have found with 3 different RTX 30xx series Cards...the first Card I literally spent hours n hours trying to "figure it out".....finally tagged up with a couple of other members here also trying to figure it out...between the 3 of us, we simply gave up and carried on....none of us were interested in "shunt modding" our Cards......
...perhaps the "Red Light District" its a result of power balancing or power delivery.....no idea as Im not an Electrical Engineer....but this current Ti replacement Card has proven solid so far....
 
Hopefully there are some "lessons learned" with this round of RTX Cards that will be taken into consideration for the RTX 40xx series ;)

I believe this is by intention. Under a full load, I pull almost identically ~150 watts from inputs 1 and 2. ~60 watts from the PCIe slot and the rest from input 3. Seems perfectly logical considering all the phases on the GPU are not exactly the same. My GPU has no problem pulling slightly over 450 watts on Furmark. Some of you might recall back in the Maxwell days we could actually set power draw per input modifying the BIOS.

HeavyHemi
My GPU has no problem pulling slightly over 450 watts on Furmark.

If you had one which never pulled over 400 watts no matter what you did, would you say that it is performing as expected? Would you say that the two cards are equal?

HeavyHemi
Seems perfectly logical considering all the phases on the GPU are not exactly the same.

That's what power balancing is normally designed to overcome. You see that there are more current shunts than inputs. Why do you suppose that is? Some of those shunts are for the circuitry which transfers load across from one input to another. Why aren't they able to balance? Why do some cards balance better than others? Why do power limited cards tend to balance worse than other non-power-limited cards? Is it a coincidence? Why does EVGA say that a 3090 with the same symptoms has a defect, but if it is a 3080, there is nothing to care about?

Kombuster will hit 500 watts for me on the oc bios switch on the 3090 ftw3 ultra.. 3dmark or gaming I'm lucky to see 460 watts.

Normally I see 60 watts plus on the 3rd plug.

OP - sorry for not getting back to this thread sooner. The results of your PSU power readings generally confirm a low power draw, the CPU is also using some power in Furmark (my screenshot shows 36w, 9900K), you can read it in HWiNFO. Some of the FTW3's definitely under report though from what I've seen.
 
It's too bad because your chip and memory seem to be great overclockers, they can be much worse. I was able to push my 3080 up to 2,265mhz and pass Timespy - outside in the middle of the night in the middle of the winter, locked at 1.1V, but normally gaming it was rarely stable above 2,100mhz and +600 mem.

Audioboxer
Sorry, one more post, most conclusive evidence that the card is NOT drawing power correctly
 
400w standard BIOS
 

 
450w OC BIOS
 

 
Same curve profile in afterburner, barely any difference between the two. In fact, for the bigger laugh, the power draw spike of 403w on the default BIOS is higher than the 401w on the "450w BIOS". Pegged around same frequency. Same iCUE 12v power reading. There has been no increase in the ability for the card to draw more power, even GPU-Z correctly states performance cap due to Power.
 
Will forward this onto EVGA. Either the BIOS is faulty (unlikely) or EVGA has lied about this being a proper 3 pin power delivery card. In which case it's wrongly advertised, though chances are they'd weasel their way out of this saying it's sold rated for up to 400w. Or, it's a total lottery if your card is manufactured better than other people's 3080s and you MIGHT have the ability to draw power correctly on the third pin.
 
Now I understand the total silence from EVGA/Jacob. Poor show given how good EVGAs customer service normally is and how they handled the New World blows up GPUs drama.
 
Given other manufacturers of 3 pin cards do not suffer from this, my conclusion at the moment is AVOID all EVGA 3080/3090 products (other than Ti, apparently they didn't cheapen out there, unsurprisingly). Can this be fixed with a BIOS/Firmware update? Doubt it, seeing as EVGA have done absolutely nothing for around a year now and they seem to be refusing any RMA requests based on power draw. Seems they seriously cheapened out on whatever the controller is that manages card power delivery on the 3080/3090 FTW3. Incredibly stupid move given the FTW3 cards are always some of the most expensive RRPs.
 
I will stand corrected if wrong and/or this can be fixed, and as I said above I am recognising EVGA's usual great customer service. Radio silence on explaining this though is very poor.

I'm going to take a WAG that the card is stuck on the normal bios and somehow ignoring the flash to the 450w bios.  It's happened before iirc.

kevinc313

Audioboxer
Sorry, one more post, most conclusive evidence that the card is NOT drawing power correctly
 
400w standard BIOS
 

 
450w OC BIOS
 

 
Same curve profile in afterburner, barely any difference between the two. In fact, for the bigger laugh, the power draw spike of 403w on the default BIOS is higher than the 401w on the "450w BIOS". Pegged around same frequency. Same iCUE 12v power reading. There has been no increase in the ability for the card to draw more power, even GPU-Z correctly states performance cap due to Power.
 
Will forward this onto EVGA. Either the BIOS is faulty (unlikely) or EVGA has lied about this being a proper 3 pin power delivery card. In which case it's wrongly advertised, though chances are they'd weasel their way out of this saying it's sold rated for up to 400w. Or, it's a total lottery if your card is manufactured better than other people's 3080s and you MIGHT have the ability to draw power correctly on the third pin.
 
Now I understand the total silence from EVGA/Jacob. Poor show given how good EVGAs customer service normally is and how they handled the New World blows up GPUs drama.
 
Given other manufacturers of 3 pin cards do not suffer from this, my conclusion at the moment is AVOID all EVGA 3080/3090 products (other than Ti, apparently they didn't cheapen out there, unsurprisingly). Can this be fixed with a BIOS/Firmware update? Doubt it, seeing as EVGA have done absolutely nothing for around a year now and they seem to be refusing any RMA requests based on power draw. Seems they seriously cheapened out on whatever the controller is that manages card power delivery on the 3080/3090 FTW3. Incredibly stupid move given the FTW3 cards are always some of the most expensive RRPs.
 
I will stand corrected if wrong and/or this can be fixed, and as I said above I am recognising EVGA's usual great customer service. Radio silence on explaining this though is very poor.

I'm going to take a WAG that the card is stuck on the normal bios and somehow ignoring the flash to the 450w bios.  It's happened before iirc.

I'm thinking the same thing. one of those fastboot related issues that got way overblown. 

Shraf2k
 
 
I'm thinking the same thing. one of those fastboot related issues that got way overblown. 

Except that the screenshots show 105% PL vs 118% PL.  Not the same bios.

talon951

Shraf2k
 
 
I'm thinking the same thing. one of those fastboot related issues that got way overblown. 

Except that the screenshots show 105% PL vs 118% PL.  Not the same bios.

I know it's odd, but this happened to me the first time I flashed a bios but didn't have FB off. He info etc registered the data but it wouldn't ACT like it had the XOC bios on it. I had to go back in and turn off FB and actually flashed it twice using their file. TBH, I have less issues using nvflash but this file is made to be easy for anyone to use.

Shraf2k

talon951

Shraf2k
 
 
I'm thinking the same thing. one of those fastboot related issues that got way overblown. 

Except that the screenshots show 105% PL vs 118% PL.  Not the same bios.

I know it's odd, but this happened to me the first time I flashed a bios but didn't have FB off. He info etc registered the data but it wouldn't ACT like it had the XOC bios on it. I had to go back in and turn off FB and actually flashed it twice using their file. TBH, I have less issues using nvflash but this file is made to be easy for anyone to use.

OOooooo.  Thanks for the info.  I recalled something about bios not taking but not the details.  Seems pretty suspicious in this case given the nearly identical max power draw above.
 
OP - maybe try what Shraf said, or get the raw bios file and flash manually using NVflash.  Turning off Fast Boot has not been previously mentioned in this thread.
 
Fricking Fast Boot strikes again.