ty_ger07

Yes. He is saying, have you considered trying to get the card replaced via warranty? Since EVGA accepted it as a defect for the 3090 cards, you should be able to convince EVGA that it is a valid defect symptom for your card.

Right, I was thinking if good evidence could be provided that shows an issue with the 8pin power readings, that might be an easier route to convince EVGA to replace the card.

My 3090 usually maxes out (should say spikes to 460 watts.

Prob about the whole difference in speed from the 3080ti to 3090.

I find it humorous that there has been an EVGA employee in here saying everything looks fine and yet still here we are with conspiracy theories and nonsense. Just because a card has the ability to draw 450w does not mean it has to constantly draw as much. That's it's peak power draw not it's average. There is a difference. Also tests being run with kombustor or furmark are essentially flagged as a power virus by the drivers and thus does not let the card draw full power. This isn't new it has been that way for a very long time now. 
 
So if your car has a 8000RPM redline....do you drive it around town constantly at it's redline just because it says it can? Of course not that would not be good for the car. All of my cards behave similarly from my RTX 3090, my RTX 3080 Ti, RTX 3060 ti, RX 6900XT and RX 6700XT. My RTX 3090 which is a reference PCB from PNY, has a peak power draw of 365w and it normally operates in the 350w range with occasional peaks to 360w. My RTX 3080 Ti is the FTW3 variant and has a peak power oof 450w and usually operates in the 400w range with with some peaks of around 440w. My ASUS RTX 3060 Ti Strix has a 325w peak and operates at around 250w with occasional peaks to 290w. My RX 6900XT from Sapphire has a 300w peak and is usually in the 275-290w range while my 6700XT has a 230w peak and usually stays around 200-215w. 
 
This is true for all the cards I've had. They don't always operate at their total maximum power draw. They don't need to, and they shouldn't be expected to. 

Went through all of this over a year ago.....my first 3080 FTW3 (Non LHR) Card would not exceed about 410w no matter what I did.....this was after flashing to the 450w BIOS....there were several of us with the same issue.
 
I wound up replacing that Card with a 3080Ti....which would hit 450w out of the box. That Card eventually met its demise (Red Light District)and the replacement Card also reaches 450w without issues.
 
I had thought I read Kevins explanation that GPU-Z reads "Total Board Power Draw" as significantly less that actual as well..
 
 

CraptacularOne
I find it humorous that there has been an EVGA employee in here saying everything looks fine and yet still here we are with conspiracy theories and nonsense.

It's not nonsense. There is a 239 page thread on this subject for the 3090 where EVGA agreed that it was a problem and created a special RMA process to correct the issue. Why, as soon as it isn't a 3090, everybody believes that the exact same symptoms aren't a problem?
What is nonsense is an EVGA employee saying that an obvious defect -- which can patently be shown to limit the performance of the card -- is something that no one should be concerned about.

CraptacularOne
So if your car has a 8000RPM redline....do you drive it around town constantly at it's redline just because it says it can?

No, but when you try, it should be able to. If you try -- even though you don't normally every day -- and you find that it won't go over 6000 RPM because the cam timing was set way off, you don't say that it isn't a problem. It is a defect you discovered which should be addressed. It still affects you, even when you aren't running at 8000 RPM.

It's like Crap woke up one day and said 'benchmarks are stupid, and I have always thought they were stupid'. Like, what? Who are you any more? A power-limited product line has a specific card that is more power-limited than it should be, and Crap says that is fine? Not if it was yours. Tone deaf.

ty_ger07

CraptacularOne
I find it humorous that there has been an EVGA employee in here saying everything looks fine and yet still here we are with conspiracy theories and nonsense.

It's not nonsense. There is a 239 page thread on this subject for the 3090 where EVGA agreed that it was a problem and created a special RMA process to correct the issue. Why, as soon as it isn't a 3090, everybody believes that the exact same symptoms aren't a problem?
What is nonsense is an EVGA employee saying that an obvious defect -- which can patently be shown to limit the performance of the card -- is something that no one should be concerned about.

CraptacularOne
So if your car has a 8000RPM redline....do you drive it around town constantly at it's redline just because it says it can?

No, but when you try, it should be able to. If you try -- even though you don't normally every day -- and you find that it won't go over 6000 RPM because the cam timing was set way off, you don't say that it isn't a problem. It is a defect you discovered which should be addressed. It still affects you, even when you aren't running at 8000 RPM.

It's like Crap woke up one day and said 'benchmarks are stupid, and I have always thought they were stupid'. Like, what? Who are you any more? A power-limited product line has a specific card that is more power-limited than it should be, and Crap says that is fine? Not if it was yours. Tone deaf.

You are really take a leap here aren't you? I never said benchmarks are stupid, but furmark and kombuster are flagged as a power virus in the drivers and they will not let the card exceed a certain point. Have you forgotten how to read? Who are you anymore? 
 
That 239 page thread is maybe a handful of people that actually know what they are talking about and observing the rest is just a bunch of "mee too" people that think they see something and then open up GPUZ and see "pwr" as the perf cap reason and immediately start shouting from the hilltops. They don't know what they are looking at nor do they know how to interpret it. This whole "your card should be drawing it's max power every single time I use it" is just nonsense. The card may momentarily blip to it's peak but often the resolution of the monitoring software won't catch it. They don't know how to lower sensor refresh rate to get a better idea of what's happening. Even in benchmarks like 3Dmark the card doesn't "need" to pull it entire rated peak power through the whole damn benchmark. That's not a realistic ask for your average air cooled or even water cooled card. 
 
You can stop your holy campaign here man, you've really gone off the hinges as of late. 

400w or 450w or 460w......really doesnt matter imho...as long as the Card lasts longer 3-4 months with out another visit to the Red Light District I can live with any power balancing issues or power delivery issues.
 
For what its worth my highest PR and TS Scores peaked out my Card around 445w...whether that means anything or not....at this point dont really care.
 
Real world gaming performance is what matters to me ....after the initial becnhmarking with a new Card.
This 3080Ti has been quite solid thru 120 Hrs of CP77....and now FC6 w High Texture Pak is solid as well....Valhalla etc.
 
Really...after all the initial benchmarking is said and done (dont know anyone that "plays" PR or TS), best tests for the Cards is to find a decent OC and game on....I have settled on +120/+750....no crashes in any games.
 

rjbarker
400w or 450w or 460w......really doesnt matter imho...as long as the Card lasts longer 3-4 months with out another visit to the Red Light District I can live with any power balancing issues or power delivery issues.
 
For what its worth my highest PR and TS Scores peaked out my Card around 445w...whether that means anything or not....at this point dont really care.
 
Real world gaming performance is what matters to me ....after the initial becnhmarking with a new Card.
This 3080Ti has been quite solid thru 120 Hrs of CP77....and now FC6 w High Texture Pak is solid as well....Valhalla etc.
 
Really...after all the initial benchmarking is said and done (dont know anyone that "plays" PR or TS), best tests for the Cards is to find a decent OC and game on....I have settled on +120/+750....no crashes in any games.
 

Now power balancing across the 3 PCIe plugs I do think is a questionable issue. But seeing as EVGA keeps maintaining that's how they designed them I guess I'll deal with it. My RTX 3080 Ti FTW 3 behaves like all the other's I've seen in that plugs 1 & 2 will pull more than plug 3. 

CraptacularOne

ty_ger07

CraptacularOne
I find it humorous that there has been an EVGA employee in here saying everything looks fine and yet still here we are with conspiracy theories and nonsense.

It's not nonsense. There is a 239 page thread on this subject for the 3090 where EVGA agreed that it was a problem and created a special RMA process to correct the issue. Why, as soon as it isn't a 3090, everybody believes that the exact same symptoms aren't a problem?
What is nonsense is an EVGA employee saying that an obvious defect -- which can patently be shown to limit the performance of the card -- is something that no one should be concerned about.

CraptacularOne
So if your car has a 8000RPM redline....do you drive it around town constantly at it's redline just because it says it can?

No, but when you try, it should be able to. If you try -- even though you don't normally every day -- and you find that it won't go over 6000 RPM because the cam timing was set way off, you don't say that it isn't a problem. It is a defect you discovered which should be addressed. It still affects you, even when you aren't running at 8000 RPM.

It's like Crap woke up one day and said 'benchmarks are stupid, and I have always thought they were stupid'. Like, what? Who are you any more? A power-limited product line has a specific card that is more power-limited than it should be, and Crap says that is fine? Not if it was yours. Tone deaf.

You are really take a leap here aren't you? I never said benchmarks are stupid, but furmark and kombuster are flagged as a power virus in the drivers and they will not let the card exceed a certain point. Have you forgotten how to read? Who are you anymore? 
 
That 239 page thread is maybe a handful of people that actually know what they are talking about and observing the rest is just a bunch of "mee too" people that think they see something and then open up GPUZ and see "pwr" as the perf cap reason and immediately start shouting from the hilltops. They don't know what they are looking at nor do they know how to interpret it. This whole "your card should be drawing it's max power every single time I use it" is just nonsense. The card may momentarily blip to it's peak but often the resolution of the monitoring software won't catch it. They don't know how to lower sensor refresh rate to get a better idea of what's happening. Even in benchmarks like 3Dmark the card doesn't "need" to pull it entire rated peak power through the whole damn benchmark. That's not a realistic ask for your average air cooled or even water cooled card. 
 
You can stop your holy campaign here man, you've really gone off the hinges as of late. 

Okay, then what do you think this person should do different?
Everything they have shown so far is "not fine". You say there is a fine in there somewhere to find. So, lead them.

It's not about "not always running at peak", it's about never even coming close to peak.

EVGA never said that their cards were purposely designed to have broken power balancing. All they say is "don't worry about it" or simply no comment. Except for the 3090 where they did admit that it was a defect.

ty_ger07

CraptacularOne

ty_ger07

CraptacularOne
I find it humorous that there has been an EVGA employee in here saying everything looks fine and yet still here we are with conspiracy theories and nonsense.

It's not nonsense. There is a 239 page thread on this subject for the 3090 where EVGA agreed that it was a problem and created a special RMA process to correct the issue. Why, as soon as it isn't a 3090, everybody believes that the exact same symptoms aren't a problem?
What is nonsense is an EVGA employee saying that an obvious defect -- which can patently be shown to limit the performance of the card -- is something that no one should be concerned about.

CraptacularOne
So if your car has a 8000RPM redline....do you drive it around town constantly at it's redline just because it says it can?

No, but when you try, it should be able to. If you try -- even though you don't normally every day -- and you find that it won't go over 6000 RPM because the cam timing was set way off, you don't say that it isn't a problem. It is a defect you discovered which should be addressed. It still affects you, even when you aren't running at 8000 RPM.

It's like Crap woke up one day and said 'benchmarks are stupid, and I have always thought they were stupid'. Like, what? Who are you any more? A power-limited product line has a specific card that is more power-limited than it should be, and Crap says that is fine? Not if it was yours. Tone deaf.

You are really take a leap here aren't you? I never said benchmarks are stupid, but furmark and kombuster are flagged as a power virus in the drivers and they will not let the card exceed a certain point. Have you forgotten how to read? Who are you anymore? 
 
That 239 page thread is maybe a handful of people that actually know what they are talking about and observing the rest is just a bunch of "mee too" people that think they see something and then open up GPUZ and see "pwr" as the perf cap reason and immediately start shouting from the hilltops. They don't know what they are looking at nor do they know how to interpret it. This whole "your card should be drawing it's max power every single time I use it" is just nonsense. The card may momentarily blip to it's peak but often the resolution of the monitoring software won't catch it. They don't know how to lower sensor refresh rate to get a better idea of what's happening. Even in benchmarks like 3Dmark the card doesn't "need" to pull it entire rated peak power through the whole damn benchmark. That's not a realistic ask for your average air cooled or even water cooled card. 
 
You can stop your holy campaign here man, you've really gone off the hinges as of late. 

Okay, then what do you think this person should do different?
Everything they have shown so far is "not fine". You say there is a fine in there somewhere to find. So, lead them.

It's not about "not always running at peak", it's about never even coming close to peak.

EVGA never said that their cards were purposely designed to have broken power balancing. All they say is "don't worry about it" or simply no comment. Except for the 3090 where they did admit that it was a defect.

I don't think they "need" to do anything other than enjoy their card and play some games. Their benchmarks are in line with similarly spec'd systems, temp's seem fine I don't see anything amiss here performance wise for a RTX 3080. I (and I hope the OP doesn't take offense here) just think that he's another of the "me too" crowd and not really understanding what he's seeing. That's not really his fault as much as it's everyone else's fault for blasting what they don't understand from the tops of the mountains.
 
No card should be run at it's ragged edge even for the duration of a "benchmark" because in the end the benchmark is just a 3D application as far as the GPU is concerned. I'm sure there are blips with higher power spikes on his card but he's using the standard 1 sec polling rate of the monitoring apps so it's not showing them. 
 
Open GPUZ and click this
https://imgur.com/7bR5mzt
 
Then go to sensors tab and click the drop down menu to 0.1 intervals
https://imgur.com/xBhxLbd

 
Another thing is he's running an AMD CPU, while fine and perfectly adequate for gaming there is a reason most people benchmark with Intel and that's frequency of the CPU. AMD CPUs typically run at much lower clocks and thus don't "push" video cards as hard and they typically can't max their performance at lower CPU clock speeds.
 
As for the PCIe balancing issue, I will agree that seems like a poor design choice by EVGA but seeing as virtually all of their 3 pin cards behave in the same way I guess it's something we have to accept.