HeavyHemi
 
Gotta wonder if +1600 on the memory is inducing errors and dropping GPU performance. Try setting your memory core offset to +500 and see what you get.

Excellent catch ... I totally agree with that important point ... auto error correction
 
Also seems they could be hitting Nvidia Boost technology overrides -OR- their "custom Curve" is a bottleneck
 
Also not sure if Nvidia still puts limit on Kombustor like the did before ? 
 
 
 
@OP What are the Max Temps & Power draw while benching with PerfCap & CPU loads ?

Gotta wonder how many excuses and justification theories can be made. It's pretty well documented by many different people, for many different types of non-Kingpin EVGA 30xx cards, with many different VBIOS revisions, for many different applications, over the past year. Some cards are duds and people spend a lot of time verifying that they are duds. Then what? The "then what" should be addressed at some point, so people don't need to argue to have a product that they are happy with. For the 3090, EVGA made a specific replacement program to address this exact issue. For those 3090 owners, it was easy. But for all the other cards? Everyone tries to pretend the problem doesn't exist, and unhappy owners have to argue about how to get the card fixed or replaced.

ty_ger07
Gotta wonder how many excuses and justification theories can be made. It's pretty well documented by many different people, for many different types of non-Kingpin EVGA 30xx cards, with many different VBIOS revisions, for many different applications, over the past year. Some cards are duds and people spend a lot of time verifying that they are duds. Then what? The "then what" should be addressed at some point, so people don't need to argue to have a product that they are happy with. For the 3090, EVGA made a specific replacement program to address this exact issue. For those 3090 owners, it was easy. But for all the other cards? Everyone tries to pretend the problem doesn't exist, and unhappy owners have to argue about how to get the card fixed or replaced.

Gotta wonder why you're still pitching your theory when your example doesn't apply here regarding the 3090? And also, my suggestion that +1600 on the memory could be causing his issue is certainly valid. The 3090 issue was not about 'power capping'.

It's nothing to do with memory, that has been tested at 0. I've even been able to run at +2000 without crashing, but the one thing memory obviously does do at higher clocks is help hit that 400w wall quicker.

In general gaming I've found +1600 strikes a good balance in power hungry games like Metro Exodus to not pull the core clock down due to the card being near 400w.

Customer service are now away to check again with technical support if the BIOS is compatible with LHR cards. Bit of a farce really, I know it isn't, but I like to be nice and civil with support staff.

Should really have been Jacob and other well known front facing media figures of EVGA who confirm why some cards can't seem to go above 400w, or struggle to reach the 450w of the EVGA BIOS. Where others will happily sail right up to it if a load wants more power. EVGA released this 450w bios, it is therefore up to them to explain why it doesn't work on some cards.

In related news, Veii from Overclock is reverse engineering the BIOS of cards to pump up the power draw https://www.overclock.net....1753930/post-28969627 Gives me hope EVGA could do something at a BIOS level. Not nvflash compatible yet though. Nvidia and/or some of the manufacturers seem to be artificially throttling the controllers from what I can gather. But it's then extra confusing why some cards will draw more power than others with same BIOS.

HeavyHemi

ty_ger07
Gotta wonder how many excuses and justification theories can be made. It's pretty well documented by many different people, for many different types of non-Kingpin EVGA 30xx cards, with many different VBIOS revisions, for many different applications, over the past year. Some cards are duds and people spend a lot of time verifying that they are duds. Then what? The "then what" should be addressed at some point, so people don't need to argue to have a product that they are happy with. For the 3090, EVGA made a specific replacement program to address this exact issue. For those 3090 owners, it was easy. But for all the other cards? Everyone tries to pretend the problem doesn't exist, and unhappy owners have to argue about how to get the card fixed or replaced.

Gotta wonder why you're still pitching your theory when your example doesn't apply here regarding the 3090?

I have 3 different theories about 3 different ways that I feel these cards are lacking. Perhaps you are confused about the topic of this conversation.

The 3090 issue was not about 'power capping'.

It ABSOLUTELY was. Check your facts. The 239 page thread that caused EVGA's corrective action with the 3090 was specifically about the cards not being able to reach their expected power usage and associated power balance issues. EXACTLY like in this thread.

It's funny that EVGA acknowledged the symptom as a problem for the 3090, but for all other cards, EVGA pretends that people shouldn't care.

Audioboxer
It's nothing to do with memory, that has been tested at 0. I've even been able to run at +2000 without crashing, but the one thing memory obviously does do at higher clocks is help hit that 400w wall quicker.

In general gaming I've found +1600 strikes a good balance in power hungry games like Metro Exodus to not pull the core clock down due to the card being near 400w.

Customer service are now away to check again with technical support if the BIOS is compatible with LHR cards. Bit of a farce really, I know it isn't, but I like to be nice and civil with support staff.

Should really have been Jacob and other well known front facing media figures of EVGA who confirm why some cards can't seem to go above 400w, or struggle to reach the 450w of the EVGA BIOS. Where others will happily sail right up to it if a load wants more power. EVGA released this 450w bios, it is therefore up to them to explain why it doesn't work on some cards.

In related news, Veii from Overclock is reverse engineering the BIOS of cards to pump up the power draw https://www.overclock.net....1753930/post-28969627 Gives me hope EVGA could do something at a BIOS level. Not nvflash compatible yet though. Nvidia and/or some of the manufacturers seem to be artificially throttling the controllers from what I can gather. But it's then extra confusing why some cards will draw more power than others with same BIOS.

Well the bios can absolutely be changed to fix it as it controls all the limits, but didn't you show that the 3rd 8pin on your card either is low or at least reads low relative to other 3080 FTW3s? I would think that would be the best way to get EVGA to RMA it.

talon951

Audioboxer
It's nothing to do with memory, that has been tested at 0. I've even been able to run at +2000 without crashing, but the one thing memory obviously does do at higher clocks is help hit that 400w wall quicker.

In general gaming I've found +1600 strikes a good balance in power hungry games like Metro Exodus to not pull the core clock down due to the card being near 400w.

Customer service are now away to check again with technical support if the BIOS is compatible with LHR cards. Bit of a farce really, I know it isn't, but I like to be nice and civil with support staff.

Should really have been Jacob and other well known front facing media figures of EVGA who confirm why some cards can't seem to go above 400w, or struggle to reach the 450w of the EVGA BIOS. Where others will happily sail right up to it if a load wants more power. EVGA released this 450w bios, it is therefore up to them to explain why it doesn't work on some cards.

In related news, Veii from Overclock is reverse engineering the BIOS of cards to pump up the power draw https://www.overclock.net....1753930/post-28969627 Gives me hope EVGA could do something at a BIOS level. Not nvflash compatible yet though. Nvidia and/or some of the manufacturers seem to be artificially throttling the controllers from what I can gather. But it's then extra confusing why some cards will draw more power than others with same BIOS.

Well the bios can absolutely be changed to fix it as it controls all the limits, but didn't you show that the 3rd 8pin on your card either is low or at least reads low relative to other 3080 FTW3s? I would think that would be the best way to get EVGA to RMA it.

The 3rd pin wattage? Like other people with this issue it struggles to go anywhere above 60-75w.

Audioboxer

talon951

Audioboxer
It's nothing to do with memory, that has been tested at 0. I've even been able to run at +2000 without crashing, but the one thing memory obviously does do at higher clocks is help hit that 400w wall quicker.

In general gaming I've found +1600 strikes a good balance in power hungry games like Metro Exodus to not pull the core clock down due to the card being near 400w.

Customer service are now away to check again with technical support if the BIOS is compatible with LHR cards. Bit of a farce really, I know it isn't, but I like to be nice and civil with support staff.

Should really have been Jacob and other well known front facing media figures of EVGA who confirm why some cards can't seem to go above 400w, or struggle to reach the 450w of the EVGA BIOS. Where others will happily sail right up to it if a load wants more power. EVGA released this 450w bios, it is therefore up to them to explain why it doesn't work on some cards.

In related news, Veii from Overclock is reverse engineering the BIOS of cards to pump up the power draw https://www.overclock.net....1753930/post-28969627 Gives me hope EVGA could do something at a BIOS level. Not nvflash compatible yet though. Nvidia and/or some of the manufacturers seem to be artificially throttling the controllers from what I can gather. But it's then extra confusing why some cards will draw more power than others with same BIOS.

Well the bios can absolutely be changed to fix it as it controls all the limits, but didn't you show that the 3rd 8pin on your card either is low or at least reads low relative to other 3080 FTW3s? I would think that would be the best way to get EVGA to RMA it.

The 3rd pin wattage? Like other people with this issue it struggles to go anywhere above 60-75w.

Yes. He is saying, have you considered trying to get the card replaced via warranty? Since EVGA accepted it as a defect for the 3090 cards, you should be able to convince EVGA that it is a valid defect symptom for your card.

Just curious on the memory clock question. Have you done testing in port royal, or time spy with a range of memory clocks? This Gen is a bit different than previous cards with memory clocks. You'll see no artifacts or crashing if you start hitting error conditions, these have error correction, so you won't see visual issues as much, but you will lose performance. It looks a bit like a bell curve. I've tested repeatedly to see that my performance starts going back down if I exceed a +1100 OC on memory. Your number will likely be different, but there will be a number far below where crashing or artifacts happen where your performance will start going back down. I've always looked at the FPS performance, but I haven't looked at the power draw once I head into the error zone on memory. It would make sense.

I'm not saying that's definitely your issue, but I do think it's worth checking with a repeatable benchmark to find your own peak point before performance starts going back down. Maybe yours is +2000, but I haven't seen anybody ha e thag high of a number unless they're throwing some serious cooling at it.

B0baganoosh
Just curious on the memory clock question. Have you done testing in port royal, or time spy with a range of memory clocks? This Gen is a bit different than previous cards with memory clocks. You'll see no artifacts or crashing if you start hitting error conditions, these have error correction, so you won't see visual issues as much, but you will lose performance. It looks a bit like a bell curve. I've tested repeatedly to see that my performance starts going back down if I exceed a +1100 OC on memory. Your number will likely be different, but there will be a number far below where crashing or artifacts happen where your performance will start going back down. I've always looked at the FPS performance, but I haven't looked at the power draw once I head into the error zone on memory. It would make sense.

I'm not saying that's definitely your issue, but I do think it's worth checking with a repeatable benchmark to find your own peak point before performance starts going back down. Maybe yours is +2000, but I haven't seen anybody ha e thag high of a number unless they're throwing some serious cooling at it.

Yup, done all the testing. Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is a great game to use above and beyond benchmarks/stability testing apps to weed out unstable overclocks. I play hours of that as well lol.
 
I don't do mining, especially not with an LHR card, but I even tested minerstat with some ETH mining and the memory overclocks as I was advised if it failed shares or whatever they're called it would suggest memory errors. I did this for one day and it seemed fine. No more though because as I said mining is not a thing for me.
 
I use +1600 on the daily profile, it seems performance gain in gaming from memory isn't huge and with me not getting past 400w I find some games on ultra/max, even at 1440p UW, can start bumping up against 380~400w.
 
It's watercooled, passive cooled backplate (nickel/thermal pads) and I have 4 rads, so I guess good cooling might be helping me out on the memory front.