2022/04/08 10:53:23
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Flashed this Asus Strix 450w LHR BIOS in the off chance it might help
 

 
Ends up being even worse lol, struggle to draw over 330w now.
 
Didn't think it would be that easy to fix, but I guess this suggests EVGA could sort it with the BIOS if they tried...
2022/04/08 11:52:34
kevinc313
This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 
2022/04/08 11:57:33
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kevinc313
This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 




Yeah that's perfect, so my card is faulty then? Given this is a "2022" model on the basis of being shipped out like a month or so ago, that is incredibly disappointing if EVGA haven't fully remedied something people have been complaining about for well over a year.
2022/04/08 11:59:49
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This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 




Yeah that's perfect, so my card is faulty then? Given this is a "2022" model on the basis of being shipped out like a month or so ago, that is incredibly disappointing if EVGA haven't fully remedied something people have been complaining about for well over a year.




Not sure about your card.  The readout from the card above is from literally the first batch of 3080 FTW3 Hybrids in the US, Dec '20.
 
If your card can't draw 380w at stock settings, warranty it.
 
However, based on your benchmarks and high clocks, you are probably getting full power but the card is under reporting it by quite a bit.  You can try putting the PC on a kill-a-watt with and without the card installed, then estimate based on ~90% PSU efficiency.  Or try a current clamp meter on the PSU cables.
2022/04/08 12:02:57
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This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 




Yeah that's perfect, so my card is faulty then? Given this is a "2022" model on the basis of being shipped out like a month or so ago, that is incredibly disappointing if EVGA haven't fully remedied something people have been complaining about for well over a year.




Not sure about your card.  The readout from the card above is from literally the first batch of 3080 FTW3 Hybrids in the US, Dec '20.




I would like to say pre-LHR then, however this forum has quite a few pre-LHR owners with the same issue.
 
I seen Jacob was supposed to give an update on the problem in... 2021, and never did, so it looks like it could be a sweep under the rug from EVGA and a "Did you know we now sell Ti cards featuring 450w out of the box!".
 
Pin 3 going to 120w is the main difference in that picture above, my pin 3 is stuck at like 75w.
 
At this point I'm just going to see what CS say in a reply to a ticket and then thanks to your picture above I can further press them on why some 3080 FTW3 Ultra will go to 450w.
2022/04/08 12:07:41
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This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 




 
 
Yeah that's perfect, so my card is faulty then? Given this is a "2022" model on the basis of being shipped out like a month or so ago, that is incredibly disappointing if EVGA haven't fully remedied something people have been complaining about for well over a year.




Not sure about your card.  The readout from the card above is from literally the first batch of 3080 FTW3 Hybrids in the US, Dec '20.




I would like to say pre-LHR then, however this forum has quite a few pre-LHR owners with the same issue.
 
I seen Jacob was supposed to give an update on the problem in... 2021, and never did, so it looks like it could be a sweep under the rug from EVGA and a "Did you know we now sell Ti cards featuring 450w out of the box!".
 
Pin 3 going to 120w is the main difference in that picture above, my pin 3 is stuck at like 75w.
 
At this point I'm just going to see what CS say in a reply to a ticket and then thanks to your picture above I can further press them on why some 3080 FTW3 Ultra will go to 450w.




Doesn't your HX1000i have Corsair Link Digital support? Doesn't that have an integrated current/power meter?  Check the 12V reading for idle vs. load.  Idle at 210mhz is like 25w.
2022/04/08 12:12:32
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This is what a good power balance on a 3080 FTW3 looks like:
 

 
 




 
 
Yeah that's perfect, so my card is faulty then? Given this is a "2022" model on the basis of being shipped out like a month or so ago, that is incredibly disappointing if EVGA haven't fully remedied something people have been complaining about for well over a year.




Not sure about your card.  The readout from the card above is from literally the first batch of 3080 FTW3 Hybrids in the US, Dec '20.




I would like to say pre-LHR then, however this forum has quite a few pre-LHR owners with the same issue.
 
I seen Jacob was supposed to give an update on the problem in... 2021, and never did, so it looks like it could be a sweep under the rug from EVGA and a "Did you know we now sell Ti cards featuring 450w out of the box!".
 
Pin 3 going to 120w is the main difference in that picture above, my pin 3 is stuck at like 75w.
 
At this point I'm just going to see what CS say in a reply to a ticket and then thanks to your picture above I can further press them on why some 3080 FTW3 Ultra will go to 450w.




Doesn't your HX1000i have Corsair Link Digital support? Doesn't that have an integrated current/power meter?  Check that for each power port.




iCUE is pretty decent for showing some info
 

 
Would it be the 12v power I monitor?
 
A core frequency of around 2160 is basically where a card will tap out with a 400w max power draw. So that lines up with the wall I have. I can't seem to get over 400w, therefore, trying to run above 2160 is basically a no-go with any serious load.
 
edit - Just so it's clear, a game is loaded above, hence 192w. Desktop drops to about 70~80w on 12v power.
 
 
2022/04/08 12:18:27
kevinc313
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iCUE is pretty decent for showing some info
 

 
Would it be the 12v power I monitor?
 
A core frequency of around 2160 is basically where a card will tap out with a 400w max power draw. So that lines up with the wall I have. I can't seem to get over 400w, therefore, trying to run above 2160 is basically a no-go with any serious load.
 
 




There is no way your card is doing THIS without the full 450w:
 

 
It's likely just under reporting.  Watch the "12V power" in the Corsair readout at idle vs. maxed out in Furmark, and subtract the change in CPU power use.  I bet its a 400w+ difference.
2022/04/08 12:24:44
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iCUE is pretty decent for showing some info
 

 
Would it be the 12v power I monitor?
 
A core frequency of around 2160 is basically where a card will tap out with a 400w max power draw. So that lines up with the wall I have. I can't seem to get over 400w, therefore, trying to run above 2160 is basically a no-go with any serious load.
 
 




There is no way your card is doing THIS without the full 450w:
 

 
It's likely just under reporting.  Watch the "12V power" in the Corsair readout at idle vs. maxed out in Furmark, and subtract the change in CPU power use.  I bet its a 400w+ difference.




I'll check that now. The screenshot above IIRC reported as a 2160mhz in a TimeSpy run. Even though it says 2220mhz in HWINFO, I believe that was like if I do this
 

 
Sure, the GPU now registers as running at 2220mhz at 1.1v, but there is absolutely no load on it lol. So the max reported frequency is likely from a super light load/when 3DMark first begins, or something.
 
Given the frequency other people have achieved with proper cooling on a 3080, I just can't see how I'm doing much more than 400w when my wall is at like 2160mhz. I've seen a few manage nearer 2200mhz.
 
But that was useful info with iCUE, I will now go do some testing with various loads and subtract from roughly 80w as "idle" from the 12v power reading.
2022/04/08 12:38:05
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iCUE is pretty decent for showing some info
 

 
Would it be the 12v power I monitor?
 
A core frequency of around 2160 is basically where a card will tap out with a 400w max power draw. So that lines up with the wall I have. I can't seem to get over 400w, therefore, trying to run above 2160 is basically a no-go with any serious load.
 
 




There is no way your card is doing THIS without the full 450w:
 

 
It's likely just under reporting.  Watch the "12V power" in the Corsair readout at idle vs. maxed out in Furmark, and subtract the change in CPU power use.  I bet its a 400w+ difference.






 
Ok, so this is idle on GPU. Occasionally drops to like 76w, or bumps slightly to low 80s, but I'd say 80w is fair for idle.
 

 
First curve in Kombustor that has GPU-Z/HWINFO reading about 390w.
 
iCUE is 510w.
 
510 - 80 = 430w.
 

 
Second curve, has a slightly higher frequency target/voltage, pegs GPU-Z and HWINFO to 400w.
 
iCUE hits 522w, though it wasn't perfectly held, dropping to 510~516w.
 
522 - 80 = 442w.
 
Soooo, underreporting??? Of course we're now relying on doing manual numbers based on what the power supply tells the iCUE software.
 
If I am above 400w, I guess my question would be anyone achieving like 2200mhz+ or running 1.1v, are they using BIOS even higher than 450w??? Shunt mods???
 
edit - Wait, is the CPU off the 12v as well? That would contribute something under a Kombustor load, even if it isn't hit too heavy with it. So until I know if the CPU is contributing wattage to that 12v power when off idle I don't think we're out of the woods yet declaring this simply as GPU underreporting.

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