They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

talon951
They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

What a layman like myself finds hard to understand here though is why a small number of 3080's seem to go up to 450w with this BIOS, but most, going by forums/Reddit complaints, struggle to get over 400w, or splutter up to maybe 420~430w.
 
EVGA released the BIOS so they must have at least, in theory, been happy to try and let these cards draw up to 450w.
 
A lot of people have mentioned power balancing, but I do have to say I don't really know what that is/what handles it. As in, what part of the PCB is the brains behind that. Something at the pins themselves? Is it purely hardware or is software involved?
 
With zero communication from EVGA people like me aren't knowledgeable enough to really get it on our own. So I'm left looking at an MSI BIOS that appears to draw up to 500w on my EVGA card, or the EVGA BIOS which hardwalls at 400w despite EVGA telling me I should be able to see up to 450w.
 
Obviously the safest advice for me is live with it, don't run an MSI BIOS if you aren't happy to take a risk. Which is fair enough, but I'd really have liked EVGA or Jacob to have actually responded about this, not ignore it. They, as in EVGA, released a 450w BIOS for this card, so for anyone to call us, the end users, uppity/unreasonable, for querying this, is unfounded.
 
If they hadn't released this 450w BIOS that would have been an answer in of itself, but they did, so they should at least respond to why some/most of these cards cannot handle it. Or, now as we've found out with this MSI BIOS, "cannot" handle it. While my 1 card is a small sample size, I've not seen a single problem across any games from crashing or anything with the likes of OCP/restarts or shutdowns.
 
Like, customer support actually ghosted me after saying they were away to talk to the BIOS team. That's the first and only time EVGA customer service has ever done that to me. Just adds to the feeling this is an enforced "black out" from up top or something. Which seems way overboard

I'm sure evga is just waiting for the next release to get passed this issue haha.

talon951

carneb
 
After reading your posts about the MSI bios I decided to try it on my 3080 12GB FTW3 card. With the normal bios it will draw 450W under heavy load such as furmark but under normal loads only around 420W. With the MSI Suprim X bios I measured the current on each 8 pin supply with a clamp meter while running furmark and found that it was drawing 163W, 225W, and 83W from input 1,2, and 3 and software reported 63W from the PCIe slot for a total of 534W! As a comparison with the normal EVGA bios I read 135W, 188W, 84W from inputs 1,2,3 and 47W from PCIe slot for a total of 454W. The card will also draw more power under normal use with the MSI bios pulling around 480W instead of 420 in benchmarks.
 

What does GPUZ/HWINFO show for power readings on the EVGA bios?  Curious how the monitoring app readings compare to the clamp meter readings.

When running furmark with the EVGA bios GPU-Z was reporting 156, 152, and 94W. It seems No. 2 draws more power as found by a 3080 Ti owner on another forum, and 1 and 3 draw less power than the actual measured current draw. It is the 12GB bios I flashed I'm not sure the 10GB bios would work.

carneb

When running furmark with the EVGA bios GPU-Z was reporting 156, 152, and 94W. It seems No. 2 draws more power as found by a 3080 Ti owner on another forum, and 1 and 3 draw less power than the actual measured current draw. It is the 12GB bios I flashed I'm not sure the 10GB bios would work.

Yea that was me (3080ti clamp meter measurements). Interesting that the difference in 8pin #2 is similar (about 30w). But I found #1 and #3 to be fairly accurate on my 3080ti though.

But yea that 3080 really hammers #2 with the MSI bios. Flirting with the 20 amp fuse limit.

talon951

carneb

When running furmark with the EVGA bios GPU-Z was reporting 156, 152, and 94W. It seems No. 2 draws more power as found by a 3080 Ti owner on another forum, and 1 and 3 draw less power than the actual measured current draw. It is the 12GB bios I flashed I'm not sure the 10GB bios would work.

Yea that was me (3080ti clamp meter measurements). Interesting that the difference in 8pin #2 is similar (about 30w). But I found #1 and #3 to be fairly accurate on my 3080ti though.

But yea that 3080 really hammers #2 with the MSI bios. Flirting with the 20 amp fuse limit.

Yes I agree, it was pulling 18.8 amps so pretty close to 20. I was at one stage thinking about shunt modding, but I'm glad I didn't just blindly do it without doing the measurements first or pin 2 would have probably gone over the 20 amp fuse limit.

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talon951
They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

What a layman like myself finds hard to understand here though is why a small number of 3080's seem to go up to 450w with this BIOS, but most, going by forums/Reddit complaints, struggle to get over 400w, or splutter up to maybe 420~430w.
 
EVGA released the BIOS so they must have at least, in theory, been happy to try and let these cards draw up to 450w.
 
A lot of people have mentioned power balancing, but I do have to say I don't really know what that is/what handles it. As in, what part of the PCB is the brains behind that. Something at the pins themselves? Is it purely hardware or is software involved?
 
With zero communication from EVGA people like me aren't knowledgeable enough to really get it on our own. So I'm left looking at an MSI BIOS that appears to draw up to 500w on my EVGA card, or the EVGA BIOS which hardwalls at 400w despite EVGA telling me I should be able to see up to 450w.
 
Obviously the safest advice for me is live with it, don't run an MSI BIOS if you aren't happy to take a risk. Which is fair enough, but I'd really have liked EVGA or Jacob to have actually responded about this, not ignore it. They, as in EVGA, released a 450w BIOS for this card, so for anyone to call us, the end users, uppity/unreasonable, for querying this, is unfounded.
 
If they hadn't released this 450w BIOS that would have been an answer in of itself, but they did, so they should at least respond to why some/most of these cards cannot handle it. Or, now as we've found out with this MSI BIOS, "cannot" handle it. While my 1 card is a small sample size, I've not seen a single problem across any games from crashing or anything with the likes of OCP/restarts or shutdowns.
 
Like, customer support actually ghosted me after saying they were away to talk to the BIOS team. That's the first and only time EVGA customer service has ever done that to me. Just adds to the feeling this is an enforced "black out" from up top or something. Which seems way overboard

Humor me and post a picture of how your power cables are plugged into the GPU.

Intoxicus

Audioboxer

talon951
They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

What a layman like myself finds hard to understand here though is why a small number of 3080's seem to go up to 450w with this BIOS, but most, going by forums/Reddit complaints, struggle to get over 400w, or splutter up to maybe 420~430w.
 
EVGA released the BIOS so they must have at least, in theory, been happy to try and let these cards draw up to 450w.
 
A lot of people have mentioned power balancing, but I do have to say I don't really know what that is/what handles it. As in, what part of the PCB is the brains behind that. Something at the pins themselves? Is it purely hardware or is software involved?
 
With zero communication from EVGA people like me aren't knowledgeable enough to really get it on our own. So I'm left looking at an MSI BIOS that appears to draw up to 500w on my EVGA card, or the EVGA BIOS which hardwalls at 400w despite EVGA telling me I should be able to see up to 450w.
 
Obviously the safest advice for me is live with it, don't run an MSI BIOS if you aren't happy to take a risk. Which is fair enough, but I'd really have liked EVGA or Jacob to have actually responded about this, not ignore it. They, as in EVGA, released a 450w BIOS for this card, so for anyone to call us, the end users, uppity/unreasonable, for querying this, is unfounded.
 
If they hadn't released this 450w BIOS that would have been an answer in of itself, but they did, so they should at least respond to why some/most of these cards cannot handle it. Or, now as we've found out with this MSI BIOS, "cannot" handle it. While my 1 card is a small sample size, I've not seen a single problem across any games from crashing or anything with the likes of OCP/restarts or shutdowns.
 
Like, customer support actually ghosted me after saying they were away to talk to the BIOS team. That's the first and only time EVGA customer service has ever done that to me. Just adds to the feeling this is an enforced "black out" from up top or something. Which seems way overboard

Humor me and post a picture of how your power cables are plugged into the GPU.

?
 
The only way they can be https://imgur.com/a/z0p8FRu
 
Pics of the build from last month. Only changes since then have been minor.

Audioboxer

Intoxicus

Audioboxer

talon951
They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

What a layman like myself finds hard to understand here though is why a small number of 3080's seem to go up to 450w with this BIOS, but most, going by forums/Reddit complaints, struggle to get over 400w, or splutter up to maybe 420~430w.
 
EVGA released the BIOS so they must have at least, in theory, been happy to try and let these cards draw up to 450w.
 
A lot of people have mentioned power balancing, but I do have to say I don't really know what that is/what handles it. As in, what part of the PCB is the brains behind that. Something at the pins themselves? Is it purely hardware or is software involved?
 
With zero communication from EVGA people like me aren't knowledgeable enough to really get it on our own. So I'm left looking at an MSI BIOS that appears to draw up to 500w on my EVGA card, or the EVGA BIOS which hardwalls at 400w despite EVGA telling me I should be able to see up to 450w.
 
Obviously the safest advice for me is live with it, don't run an MSI BIOS if you aren't happy to take a risk. Which is fair enough, but I'd really have liked EVGA or Jacob to have actually responded about this, not ignore it. They, as in EVGA, released a 450w BIOS for this card, so for anyone to call us, the end users, uppity/unreasonable, for querying this, is unfounded.
 
If they hadn't released this 450w BIOS that would have been an answer in of itself, but they did, so they should at least respond to why some/most of these cards cannot handle it. Or, now as we've found out with this MSI BIOS, "cannot" handle it. While my 1 card is a small sample size, I've not seen a single problem across any games from crashing or anything with the likes of OCP/restarts or shutdowns.
 
Like, customer support actually ghosted me after saying they were away to talk to the BIOS team. That's the first and only time EVGA customer service has ever done that to me. Just adds to the feeling this is an enforced "black out" from up top or something. Which seems way overboard

Humor me and post a picture of how your power cables are plugged into the GPU.

?
 
The only way they can be https://imgur.com/a/z0p8FRu
 
Pics of the build from last month. Only changes since then have been minor.

Don't mind him. He's just trying to fish for a way to claim that its your fault.

Audioboxer

Intoxicus

Audioboxer

talon951
They could definitely fix it by increasing the limits in the bios but it would also drive the 8pin power further out of spec. Maybe that's why they have not done anything too. But that's just speculation on my part.

For example the KP 1kw bios will raise the power limit on pretty much any 3090 whether it is 2x8pin or 3x8pin due to the limits being set sky high. Extreme example but shows what can be done.

What a layman like myself finds hard to understand here though is why a small number of 3080's seem to go up to 450w with this BIOS, but most, going by forums/Reddit complaints, struggle to get over 400w, or splutter up to maybe 420~430w.
 
EVGA released the BIOS so they must have at least, in theory, been happy to try and let these cards draw up to 450w.
 
A lot of people have mentioned power balancing, but I do have to say I don't really know what that is/what handles it. As in, what part of the PCB is the brains behind that. Something at the pins themselves? Is it purely hardware or is software involved?
 
With zero communication from EVGA people like me aren't knowledgeable enough to really get it on our own. So I'm left looking at an MSI BIOS that appears to draw up to 500w on my EVGA card, or the EVGA BIOS which hardwalls at 400w despite EVGA telling me I should be able to see up to 450w.
 
Obviously the safest advice for me is live with it, don't run an MSI BIOS if you aren't happy to take a risk. Which is fair enough, but I'd really have liked EVGA or Jacob to have actually responded about this, not ignore it. They, as in EVGA, released a 450w BIOS for this card, so for anyone to call us, the end users, uppity/unreasonable, for querying this, is unfounded.
 
If they hadn't released this 450w BIOS that would have been an answer in of itself, but they did, so they should at least respond to why some/most of these cards cannot handle it. Or, now as we've found out with this MSI BIOS, "cannot" handle it. While my 1 card is a small sample size, I've not seen a single problem across any games from crashing or anything with the likes of OCP/restarts or shutdowns.
 
Like, customer support actually ghosted me after saying they were away to talk to the BIOS team. That's the first and only time EVGA customer service has ever done that to me. Just adds to the feeling this is an enforced "black out" from up top or something. Which seems way overboard

Humor me and post a picture of how your power cables are plugged into the GPU.

?
 
The only way they can be https://imgur.com/a/z0p8FRu
 
Pics of the build from last month. Only changes since then have been minor.

Just noticed that it appears every single fan you have on your loops is intake.