2020/12/18 09:28:49
Magrecite
TheHyperMatrix
Magrecite

Again, the problem is that we're not getting anywhere near the 520W limit. It peaks around 450W and doesn't come close to the 120% power target allowed by the LN2 BIOS.


I know. He seemed to be saying the reason people aren’t able to get the full 520W is that it you need to be below 0C to take advantage of the LN2 bios. I was explaining to him that the LN2 is only LN2 in name and has a power limit that is barely any higher draw than a fully air cooled card.



Ah gotcha, yeah I misinterpreted that. Sorry!
2020/12/18 09:32:07
USMC1419
I really wonder if this is fixable with a better BIOS. It's wild to me that a mere 40 w difference separates these two cards, one on air and one on water, and seeing the KP is "overbuilt" and designed to handle all this power + equipped with a huge AIO. It can't even get out of its own way. It's like having a governor on a supercharged car. If my KP doesn't perform and no BIOS update or news comes my way I'm returning it.  For a $2000 card my expectations are MUCH higher.
2020/12/18 09:38:48
Magrecite
Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.
2020/12/18 09:42:57
wwxww
Yeah that sucks...sorry man.
2020/12/18 09:45:53
Chamidorix
Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 
2020/12/18 10:10:04
wwxww

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2020/12/18 10:11:18
USMC1419
Chamidorix
Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 




As I've said above, I'm following all of this closely. I hope to hear more about this because I'll be doing the same with my KP that is coming Monday. I'll just stick with my FTW3 Hybrid if this is the case.
2020/12/18 10:13:56
Magrecite
USMC1419
Chamidorix
Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 




As I've said above, I'm following all of this closely. I hope to hear more about this because I'll be doing the same with my KP that is coming Monday. I'll just stick with my FTW3 Hybrid if this is the case.




Confirmed at both stock clocks and a +150 / +800 OC that it only ever hit about 108.9% during Time Spy Extreme testing.
2020/12/18 10:46:59
Cadillac94pimpin
Magrecite
Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.




Did they make any comments about the power draw? 
2020/12/18 11:15:20
DarthYodi
Magrecite
Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.


I'm also in the RMA process for mine, but for crashing/BSODs and the crazy loud buzzing noise, neither of which was present on the FTW I had in 3 days ago.
 
Your power draw matches up with what I saw pretty well: 109% and you said 108.9%

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