ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze

ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze
Does the 3080Ti FTW3 have similar issue as well? I have the hybrid kit installed and barely goes above 420-430w. perfcap is always PWR(timespy extreme)

card/pcb has rev 0.1 on it, if that matters

That’s about the average that most of us with a FTW3 experience. I’ve seen 450 a couple of times, just not when gaming.

does this indicate an issue with it then?

Maybe but not necessarily. I’m highly suspect of the implementation of GPU boost. It’s far too finicky especially for those of us using a custom loop. I mean, why is the GPU down-clocking in the low 40s? That’s been my experience. The card just freaks out if the temp starts to rise even a little bit. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t perform well, but it could perform better based on my experience and observations. Bottom line, Nvidia needs to rework GPU boost even if this isn’t an actual power issue. Especially if there’s nowhere near the possibility of overheating, voltage and power need to remain more constant. Could always lock the voltage, but that usually implies undervolting and not achieving as high a core clock as many of us would like to see.

just tried a couple of games, even at 4k I cannot break beyond 410/420watts
 
this is honestly infuriating, if I had known it was this bad I would've bought some other brand and just forget about the AIO kit.

AgenBlaze

ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze

ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze
Does the 3080Ti FTW3 have similar issue as well? I have the hybrid kit installed and barely goes above 420-430w. perfcap is always PWR(timespy extreme)

card/pcb has rev 0.1 on it, if that matters

That’s about the average that most of us with a FTW3 experience. I’ve seen 450 a couple of times, just not when gaming.

does this indicate an issue with it then?

Maybe but not necessarily. I’m highly suspect of the implementation of GPU boost. It’s far too finicky especially for those of us using a custom loop. I mean, why is the GPU down-clocking in the low 40s? That’s been my experience. The card just freaks out if the temp starts to rise even a little bit. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t perform well, but it could perform better based on my experience and observations. Bottom line, Nvidia needs to rework GPU boost even if this isn’t an actual power issue. Especially if there’s nowhere near the possibility of overheating, voltage and power need to remain more constant. Could always lock the voltage, but that usually implies undervolting and not achieving as high a core clock as many of us would like to see.

just tried a couple of games, even at 4k I cannot break beyond 410/420watts
 
this is honestly infuriating, if I had known it was this bad I would've bought some other brand and just forget about the AIO kit.

Demanding games I’ve played at 1440p tend to draw around 400-435W. I wouldn’t exactly call it bad, and the 3080 Ti is definitely the best card I’ve owned to date. I just wish it were more stable when it comes to clock speed, which is obviously dependent on power/voltage/temperature (GPU boost ratio).

I got FTW3 Ultra, -KL (LHR) version and I'm seeling 435-438W in benchmarks. Not in games, but I'm CPU-bound there. So flash works for sure. using all three connectors off workstation psu

EVGATech_LeeM

msmouse

coresare
Msmouse - I'm having the same issue. Evga Lee posted their team was able to reproduce the error we are having and should have a fix soon. He said hopefully it would be out this past Monday. I too am anxiously waiting for bios to work.

Thank you buddy!

Since the team just finished the 3080 Ti BIOS updates, I'll check in with them about this issue later today.

Thank you! Any luck there?

msmouse

EVGATech_LeeM

msmouse

coresare
Msmouse - I'm having the same issue. Evga Lee posted their team was able to reproduce the error we are having and should have a fix soon. He said hopefully it would be out this past Monday. I too am anxiously waiting for bios to work.

Thank you buddy!

Since the team just finished the 3080 Ti BIOS updates, I'll check in with them about this issue later today.

Thank you! Any luck there?

I don't want to speak for Evga_lee. But I had msgd him about a day ago and he replied they have been really busy. He's waiting for the bios team to complete all the different versions before he posts them all up. He reafirmed a small amount of people are having our same issue and bios team was able to reproduce it. I wasn't given an estimate when bios will be avail but he was going to touch base with the team again.

I actually have the BIOS for this, but I'm not sure which is considered the Normal and which is the OC.  I'd rather wait until someone on our team answers that.  As such, it will probably be next week before I can post it.

AgenBlaze

ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze

ObscureEmpyre

AgenBlaze
Does the 3080Ti FTW3 have similar issue as well? I have the hybrid kit installed and barely goes above 420-430w. perfcap is always PWR(timespy extreme)

card/pcb has rev 0.1 on it, if that matters

That’s about the average that most of us with a FTW3 experience. I’ve seen 450 a couple of times, just not when gaming.

does this indicate an issue with it then?

Maybe but not necessarily. I’m highly suspect of the implementation of GPU boost. It’s far too finicky especially for those of us using a custom loop. I mean, why is the GPU down-clocking in the low 40s? That’s been my experience. The card just freaks out if the temp starts to rise even a little bit. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t perform well, but it could perform better based on my experience and observations. Bottom line, Nvidia needs to rework GPU boost even if this isn’t an actual power issue. Especially if there’s nowhere near the possibility of overheating, voltage and power need to remain more constant. Could always lock the voltage, but that usually implies undervolting and not achieving as high a core clock as many of us would like to see.

just tried a couple of games, even at 4k I cannot break beyond 410/420watts
 
this is honestly infuriating, if I had known it was this bad I would've bought some other brand and just forget about the AIO kit.

To be honest, I feel sort of surprised I cannot ever see this “450w” even with my power slider put to 113% with my 3080 TI FTW3 Ultra. I feel like something wonky going on with however the boosting works.

Note: This is my experience after installing the newer OC bios: 94.02.71.80.86 (up from 94.02.71.00.B0).

Maybe I don’t understand how all this works so don’t beat me up too much, I’m still learning, still loving my card and think it’s a monster.

Still sort of surprised I observe the card seems to like to split 8-pin#3 Power & PCIe Slot Power 50/50 , I assume it’s to compensate for 2 cable setups (8 pin + 8pin to dual 8 pin). Im getting like (~54-58w PCIe Pwr + ~75-85w 8pin#3 Power). Upon reflection, I wonder if there’s any benefit for people like myself having three separate 8pin cables, wish there was a bios or x1 software option for “3 cable mode” relying way less if at all on PCIe slot power, perhaps giving us that “little extra” juice.

Power Target slides up to 113% but I can’t seem to get beyond 110.4, a momentary blip of 111%

I crank down the central air, getting GPU temps in the high 60s while benchmarking firestrike extreme and watching Nvidia perf overlay I see 420-430 watts, but like for brief moments. If I look back through GPUz I see blips of like 441.

Probably because I don’t know everything, I'm like “I got Ram + 1000 and core + 120mhz + 113% power target / even stock my temps never went past 70c why I don’t regularly or easily see the power stay at the higher end.

I’ve been thinking about the hybrid kit / waiting on Alphacool to make a 360mm aio kit - just been lurking and waiting to see how this hybrid bios update everybody has been waiting on pans out for people who have converted from FTW3 Ultra to Hybrid Kit.

Wondering if having super aggressive cooling might change everything above, but I’m not even over 70c now.

Here's a couple of things to consider based upon my 25 years of overclocking(w/watercooling) starting with a PIII Coppermine 1Ghz single core & GF2 Ultra until today's 3080Ti FTW & 9th gen Intel.
 
Firstly everyone here seems to be focused on seeing 450w power draw but don't forget there's variation in silicon quality/yield/bin/etc and there's xxx factors in how a GPU actually performs so I would think one person's GPU will provide the same actual performance at say 410w that another persons GPU will provide at say 430w due to silicon quality differences.
 
In the old days a 'tight' CPU would either provide 95% max clocks at super low core voltage but NOT achieve max over-clocks no matter what the core voltage was and a 'loose' CPU would hit those super high clocks but also would need a ton of voltage relatively speaking at lower voltages and that was merely a byproduct of the silicon 'quality'.
 
 
Secondly the most GPU demanding game I play is The Division 2 at 3840x1600 max settings and I personally on the stock BIOS see the best results at less than max pwr limit. I use afterburner and have PWR limit set to 104% and see consistently higher GPU clocks relative to 110% PWR limits manually set in afterburner. Also anecdotally in afterburner after a 1+ hour gaming session the max PWR % reported in afterburner is 121% actual vs 104% requested and that was 448w or something like that. Happened about a week ago & didn't think to screen shot it at the time. My point is there's way more going on in software or BIOS than just a simple slider & the card will do its own thing and optimize so I am wondering if maxing the PWR slider is actually hampering in game performance for y'all...

EVGATech_LeeM
I actually have the BIOS for this, but I'm not sure which is considered the Normal and which is the OC.  I'd rather wait until someone on our team answers that.  As such, it will probably be next week before I can post it.

Is this for the 3080 ftw3 LHR? 

Ineedgfx
Here's a couple of things to consider based upon my 25 years of overclocking(w/watercooling) starting with a PIII Coppermine 1Ghz single core & GF2 Ultra until today's 3080Ti FTW & 9th gen Intel.
 
Firstly everyone here seems to be focused on seeing 450w power draw but don't forget there's variation in silicon quality/yield/bin/etc and there's xxx factors in how a GPU actually performs so I would think one person's GPU will provide the same actual performance at say 410w that another persons GPU will provide at say 430w due to silicon quality differences.
 
In the old days a 'tight' CPU would either provide 95% max clocks at super low core voltage but NOT achieve max over-clocks no matter what the core voltage was and a 'loose' CPU would hit those super high clocks but also would need a ton of voltage relatively speaking at lower voltages and that was merely a byproduct of the silicon 'quality'.
 
 
Secondly the most GPU demanding game I play is The Division 2 at 3840x1600 max settings and I personally on the stock BIOS see the best results at less than max pwr limit. I use afterburner and have PWR limit set to 104% and see consistently higher GPU clocks relative to 110% PWR limits manually set in afterburner. Also anecdotally in afterburner after a 1+ hour gaming session the max PWR % reported in afterburner is 121% actual vs 104% requested and that was 448w or something like that. Happened about a week ago & didn't think to screen shot it at the time. My point is there's way more going on in software or BIOS than just a simple slider & the card will do its own thing and optimize so I am wondering if maxing the PWR slider is actually hampering in game performance for y'all...

Interesting information! Kinda makes me wonder if OC is dead. Reason why I say that is:

New AMD CPUs, you try to do stuff like turn on PBO + set a +200mhz boost clock limit = somehow lower scores in Cinebench vs “leaving it alone/at stock”

These GPUs also might function the same way

Maybe because nowadays there’s hard coded stuff for boosting like thermal headroom and whatnot, these cards act like they’re afraid of their own power! Haha