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2019/05/23 10:34:51 (permalink)
pump noise was unbearable at first, after the usual aio troubleshooting it got reduced by about half, still the loudest part in my system though(until the rad fans spin up).
max temp i have seen was 71°C after a few time spy loops
case is a 780t, ambient was 24.4°C, rad is placed on rear exhaust with 2 ml pro's in push-pull(ran at around 2500rpm under load)

apart from the crappy pump i think its just a straight up dumb decision to put a 120mm rad on a card that peaks at 400w without oc, the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load.
i got this card after a xc ultra, because i wasnt happy with the noise/cooling performance and am completely disappointed
 
to quote my buddy after he heard the recording: "lmao sounds like a pond pump"

edit: previous card was a 1080 ti strix, quiet while maintaining temps around 65-68°C
edit 2: great, links get blocked and cant attach recording directly
post edited by Sajin - 2019/05/23 16:24:50
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:00:08 (permalink)
    Links are blocked due to your post count. Every product we buy in life is open to some failure rate, I would reach out to Evga customer service and they will assit you with a rma I'm sure. I know it can be a pain to have that feeling of a product not preforming to the standards you or I expect but help is there to reach a better outcome. Hang in there, Evga will make it right with you.


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:03:16 (permalink)
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    Links are blocked due to your post count. Every product we buy in life is open to some failure rate, I would reach out to Evga customer service and they will assit you with a rma I'm sure. I know it can be a pain to have that feeling of a product not preforming to the standards you or I expect but help is there to reach a better outcome. Hang in there, Evga will make it right with you.


    the thing is that i'm not 100% sure if this is defective or not, given the rad and fluid temps are that high it just seems like the rad isnt enough.
    without even trying to overclock
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:08:17 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:10:21 (permalink)
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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?
     


    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:10:31 (permalink)
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    Links are blocked due to your post count. Every product we buy in life is open to some failure rate, I would reach out to Evga customer service and they will assit you with a rma I'm sure. I know it can be a pain to have that feeling of a product not preforming to the standards you or I expect but help is there to reach a better outcome. Hang in there, Evga will make it right with you.


    the thing is that i'm not 100% sure if this is defective or not, given the rad and fluid temps are that high it just seems like the rad isnt enough.
    without even trying to overclock




    The 2080 Ti Kingpin originally had a 120mm rad instead of the 240mm, so the 120mm rad not being enough is a good bet, considering how many people have been having issues.


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:11:18 (permalink)
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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?

    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."

    Both Tubes are Very Hot?
    Post your links just leave off the https://  and we can add it back.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/05/23 11:13:57


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:14:14 (permalink)
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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?

    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."

    Both Tubes are Very Hot?


    didnt feel any difference between them
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:15:48 (permalink)
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    The 2080 Ti Kingpin originally had a 120mm rad instead of the 240mm, so the 120mm rad not being enough is a good bet, considering how many people have been having issues.

    Pump noise is an issue for some not Temperatures.
    Most if any Temperatures issues are caused from the End User and poor installation of the Kit and last poor installation of the GPU in the computer.
    You cannot compare the Temperatures between the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N HYBRID and the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Graphics Cards
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/05/23 11:21:52


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:23:55 (permalink)
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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?

    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."

    Both Tubes are Very Hot?

    didnt feel any difference between them

    And are HOT or only Warm?
    One of mine is warm the other cooler.
    Left Tube is Warmer than the Right Tube Being Out and In.
    Are the Tubes at the Bottom of the Radiator?
    Post a Photo of your Computer so we can see how the Card and Radiator is installed.


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:25:39 (permalink)
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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?

    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."

    Both Tubes are Very Hot?


    didnt feel any difference between them

    And are HOT or only Warm?
    One of mine is warm the other cooler.
    Left Tube is Warmer than the Right Tube Being Out and In.


    ill let it heat up for a bit and report back
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:31:13 (permalink)
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    The 2080 Ti Kingpin originally had a 120mm rad instead of the 240mm, so the 120mm rad not being enough is a good bet, considering how many people have been having issues.

    Pump noise is an issue for some not Temperatures.
    Most if any Temperatures issues are caused from the End User and poor installation of the Kit and last poor installation of the GPU in the computer.
    You cannot compare the Temperatures between the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N HYBRID and the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Graphics Cards




    Right, the pump noise is the issue. I haven't owned a 2080 Ti Hybrid myself, but from what I've gathered the pump is constantly running at 100%, which is probably a built in precaution considering how hot the RTX cards run. I haven't heard any Kingpin owners complaining about pump noise, so I reasoned that the 240mm rad on the Kingpin is the better option in regards to pump noise since it isn't being pushed to its limits.


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:34:07 (permalink)
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    pump noise was unbearable at first, after the usual aio troubleshooting it got reduced by about half, still the loudest part in my system though(until the rad fans spin up).
    max temp i have seen was 71°C after a few time spy loops
    case is a 780t, ambient was 24.4°C, rad is placed on rear exhaust with 2 ml pro's in push-pull(ran at around 2500rpm under load)




     
    You would see better Temps with that Radiator being Used as Intake to take advantage of room temps (Not inside case temps)
     
    Not that a room at 76 F is exactly a cool room
     
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:35:49 (permalink)
     "lmao sounds like a pond pump" My sister has a Pond Pump and you cannot hear the Pump at all.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/05/23 11:38:32


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:48:42 (permalink)
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    pump noise was unbearable at first, after the usual aio troubleshooting it got reduced by about half, still the loudest part in my system though(until the rad fans spin up).
    max temp i have seen was 71°C after a few time spy loops
    case is a 780t, ambient was 24.4°C, rad is placed on rear exhaust with 2 ml pro's in push-pull(ran at around 2500rpm under load)




     
    You would see better Temps with that Radiator being Used as Intake to take advantage of room temps (Not inside case temps)
     
    Not that a room at 76 F is exactly a cool room
     
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    sure i would, but i'd also increase my cpu's temps by a lot, 9900k with a h115i platinum mounted at the top as exhaust.

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    How do you know what the Fluid Temperatures are?

    i dont, its a guess
    "the tubes get very hot and i cant place my finger on the exhaust mesh for too long because its too hot. i doubt this will have a long life with what i'm assuming are liquid temps in or around the 60s under load."

    Both Tubes are Very Hot?

    didnt feel any difference between them

    And are HOT or only Warm?
    One of mine is warm the other cooler.
    Left Tube is Warmer than the Right Tube Being Out and In.
    Are the Tubes at the Bottom of the Radiator?
    Post a Photo of your Computer so we can see how the Card and Radiator is installed.


    definitely hot, again couldnt feel a difference between them.
    i can hold the tubes tight for about 5-10 seconds before it gets quite uncomfortable
    edit: after about 7 minutes of time spy extreme
    and i mentioned how its mounted in the initial post, push pull with ml pro's on the rear exhaust.

    this should be perfectly fine, well except the lazy cable managing 
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 11:57:35 (permalink)
    Positive air pressure - Usually makes for a cooler PC
     
    What are your Intake fans ... with both radiators being set as exhaust ?
     
    Open the side panel .... now what are your temps ?
     
    It is Normal to Max All fans when benchmarking ...
     
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    my 760t is a lot like your case ..... I modded it for better airflow

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:02:29 (permalink)
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    pump noise was unbearable at first, after the usual aio troubleshooting it got reduced by about half, still the loudest part in my system though(until the rad fans spin up).
    max temp i have seen was 71°C after a few time spy loops
    case is a 780t, ambient was 24.4°C, rad is placed on rear exhaust with 2 ml pro's in push-pull(ran at around 2500rpm under load)




     
    You would see better Temps with that Radiator being Used as Intake to take advantage of room temps (Not inside case temps)
     
    Not that a room at 76 F is exactly a cool room
     
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    sure i would, but i'd also increase my cpu's temps by a lot, 9900k with a h115i platinum mounted at the top as exhaust.



    You'll never see your CPU and GPU loop @ 100% load unless of course you're intentionally benching them. 
     
    I'd also highly recommend putting the rad in front for the cooler air.  I can almost guarantee you it will show an improvement plus, I'm not a big fan of installing a rad at the rear of the case since that area should be only designated for exhaust aka warmest air leaving the case.

    Is the top also filtered?
     


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:03:43 (permalink)
    Indeed pulling Air from the Rear into the GPU Radiator and right out the top of the case


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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:05:08 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    Positive air pressure - Usually makes for a cooler PC
     
    What are your Intake fans ... with both radiators being set as exhaust ?
     
    Open the side panel .... now what are your temps ?
     
    It is Normal to Max All fans when benchmarking ...
     

     
    my 760t is a lot like your case ..... I modded it for better airflow


    side panel off made about a 1-2°C difference,nothing i care about
    intake fans are the default ones, either af or sp140's running at max rpm for benches, top exhaust fans usually run at minimum or below 1k rpm
    fans on the hybrid radiator both run at 2500rpm under load, not something i'd even want for a regular gaming session 
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:07:52 (permalink)
    Some people have also swapped fans for Noctuas for example and saw some really good improvements but those fans ain't cheap.

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:10:37 (permalink)
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    Some people have also swapped fans for for example and saw some really good improvements but those fans ain't cheap.


    mate i got 2 ml pro's for this, as good as any noctua offering 
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:11:17 (permalink)
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    Some people have also swapped fans for for example and saw some really good improvements but those fans ain't cheap.


    mate i got 2 ml pro's for this, as good as any noctua offering 




    I wouldn't compare but hey, to each their own.

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:27:08 (permalink)
    If this 120mm AIO is in any way similar to the one on Vega64 LC then it's radiator is way too small for a 300-350W card.
    I remember V64 LC running 65-70*C under load and with liquid temp of 60*C. The tubes and the rad were hot like crazy. Even putting 2 Gentle Typhoons on it didn't help at all.
     
    You'd need 6000RPM Delta server fans to bring the temps down on such a small AiO. You can try to fight the temps but the most efficient solution would be to sell this card and get something else like MSI L-Z or the Kingpin or even the Aorus with 280mm AIO.
    post edited by Bepzinky - 2019/05/23 12:30:13

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:29:05 (permalink)
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    If this 120mm AIO is in any way similar to the one on Vega64 LC then it's plain too small for a 300-350W card.
    I remember V64 LC running 65-70*C under load and with liquid temp of 60*C. The tubes and the rad were hot like crazy. Even putting 2 Gentle Typhoons on it didn't help at all.
     


    yup sounds about right, the higher power draw on this card aint helping either
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:38:13 (permalink)
    Good way to find out if it's the case of air flow is to just remove the side panel.. or just totally hold the rad outside the case hehe.

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:41:08 (permalink)
    Bottom line is that the 120mm AIO Hybrid on the FTW3 is a FAIL IMO.  The card/PCB/chip itself is a great card.  The hybrid design is excellent, but the 120mm radiator is far from sufficient.  Worst of all is that EVGA doesn't, and most likely won't sell FTW3 owners the 240mm radiator that would likely be a direct upgrade/fit for their FTW3 card.  They also used some weird custom flat tube mounted cold plate and pump assembly so replacing it isn't exactly something you can easily do.  
     
    The 120mm cooler is far from adequate and looking back I wish I would have gotten the 3x fan cooler for a few reasons.  The cooling capability of the AIO tends to get worse with time, maybe a breakdown of the fluid over time under extreme temps?  If the 120mm is struggling to keep up right now, I can't imagine what my temps will look like in 1 or 2 years of regular use.  The 3x design will age great, likely runs just as well, if not better depending on case airflow over the "water" cooler hybrid setup.  Luckily I haven't noticed the pump noise, but I usually game with my headset on to avoid the 100% fan speeds I have to use to control the GPU temps.  
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 12:45:46 (permalink)
    And that's a shame cause resale value or just dealing with whoever you sell the card off to will be an issue..

    Be nice if evga would give users an option of atleast to swap out to a stock air cooler for that reason.. as it sounds like people be better off on the air cooler all around if they wont offer an 240mm rad upgrade.

    Sounds like people that bought the hybrid retail card is going open loop.

    I've got a like new hydro copper used for 2 weeks just sitting here with no use for it as I returned the card for a kingpin awhile ago.
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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 13:01:11 (permalink)
    I agree that the 120mm rads were never enough for a high-end single GPU unless it's a lowered powered one. 
     
    You could always attempt to see if a NZXT G12 bracket with a NZXT 240mm would work.

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 13:19:36 (permalink)
    You could contact support and see if they have any ideas.

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    Re: ftw3 hybrid is a massive disappointment 2019/05/23 14:31:10 (permalink)
    You can look up posts I made and replied to regarding my 2080 Ti and temp issues. Your temps sem pretty high on your FTW. If it were me I would remove, clean, re-tim and resintall the GPU plate. U should be seeing idle temps close to 30C and no higher then 60C at full load. Or u could contact EVGA and request RMA
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