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2021/09/17 19:53:07 (permalink)
Got my Z590 dark today and could not resist the temptation to at least power it up and throw Win10 on it for some quick testing.
 
Installed a Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 in the middle slot:
 

 
CPU:
 

 
Spread some "KingPin" KPx paste that came with my Optimus Foundation block on it:

 
Block installed.  I don't like that there is no metal backplate on the back where the fasteners go.  If you get carried away with the thumb screws, I think you could easily crack the mobo.
 

 
Pretty it ain't, but it did post just fine and I was able to pick XMP1 and gear 1 with my 3600 C14 ram:
 

 
Looks like I didn't do a great job flushing the old 480 rad I had laying around:
 

 
Pretty sure it won't impact performance/cooling any, but I'll probably take it apart to clear the crud out, but I might wait until I have it mounted in my chassis with the 2nd 480 since it will probably shed some as well.
 
I plan to OC the CPU before adding my pair of 3090 FTW3 Ultra's for some Port Royal runs.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/17 20:08:07 (permalink)
Nice! Happy to see some pics of a Dark in the wild.

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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 04:08:28 (permalink)
wait is the middle slot 4.0?


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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 04:45:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2021/09/18 11:31:15
Nope. M2 & M3 are Gen 3.
Only M1 is Gen 4.
 
see page 19 of manual:
 
13. M.2 Socket 3 Key-M 110mm (PM1)
M.2 is an SSD form factor standard, which uses up to four PCIe lanes and
utilizes up to Gen4 speeds, depending upon the device used. Most popularly
paired with NVMe SSDs, this standard offers substantially faster transfer speeds
and seek time than SATA interface standards. All M.2 devices are designed to
connect via a card-bus style connector, secured by bolting into place, and
powered by the connector – rather than a dedicated data cable and power cable.
This slot support device lengths of 110mm, 80mm, 60mm, and 42mm.

14. M.2 Socket 3 Key-M 110mm (PM2)(PM3)
M.2 is an SSD form factor standard, which uses up to four PCIe lanes and
utilizes up to Gen3 speeds. Most popularly paired with NVMe SSDs, this
standard offers substantially faster transfer speeds and seek time than SATA
interface standards. All M.2 devices are designed to connect via a card-bus style
connector, secured by bolting into place, and powered by the connector – rather
than a dedicated data cable and power cable.
These slots support device lengths of 110mm, 80mm, 60mm, and 42mm.
 
and on page 20:
 
The 20 RKL Gen4 PCIe lanes are pulled from the CPU and shared with the x16
PCIe slot 2 (PE2) and M.2 Key-M 110mm (PM1)
 
post edited by frankd3 - 2021/09/18 04:51:10


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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 05:01:23 (permalink)
Didn't realize they were not all 4.0 slots.  Just moved it to slot 1.  I noticed it only says Gen 4 on the silkscreen for slot 1.  Should have paid better attention I guess.  I figured I would get better heat distribution using the middle slot, but it would have probably need negligible anyway.
post edited by pclausen - 2021/09/18 05:12:30
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 05:12:25 (permalink)
The Z590 Dark actually tells you which M.2 slot is PCIe 4.0 directly on the board - no manual needed. lol
 

 
...and I don't even own the board.
 
Nice photographs tech brother! Your tower of cooling power is SWEET! 
post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/18 05:15:25
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 05:16:02 (permalink)
Lol, yeah I just updated my post above yours as I noticed that when I moved it to slot 1.  It was late last night when I got a chance to play with it, ok?  Oh, and I might have had an Old Fashion or two.  :)
 
I got an EVGA XR1 capture device, so I might play with as I start messing with OC settings to see if I can capture some nice images instead of the usual camera shots of the screen.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 07:04:32 (permalink)
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The Z590 Dark actually tells you which M.2 slot is PCIe 4.0 directly on the board - no manual needed. lol
 

 
...and I don't even own the board.
 
Nice photographs tech brother! Your tower of cooling power is SWEET! 



Now that's embarrassing.
Shows you how observant I am.
It's right there is his picture.


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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 08:01:47 (permalink)
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The Z590 Dark actually tells you which M.2 slot is PCIe 4.0 directly on the board - no manual needed. lol
 

 
...and I don't even own the board.
 
Nice photographs tech brother! Your tower of cooling power is SWEET! 



Now that's embarrassing.
Shows you how observant I am.
It's right there is his picture.


lol. When you're working with a brand new and beautiful Z590 Dark board, the 1st few days - no one is expected to have a clear head. 
 
Trying to post a screenshot of CrystalDiskMark benchmark results pclausen can expect for PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD Reads and Writes, but the thread window just stalls mid upload, ho hum.
 
That way you can make certain your PCIe 4.0 slot is operating at full speed.
 
I'll keep trying
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 10:00:23 (permalink)
Here's my result from CrystalDiskMark:
 

 
Those numbers are ok, but then I ran the same test on my 570X rig (5950X) which edges it out on sequential reads and puts the smack down on random read/write compared to the Z590:
 

 
The 570X rig has dual Sabrent 1G NVMe 4.0 drives in it and I did the test to the D: game drive and not the OS drive, but I was not expecting that big of a difference, especially since the Z590 has a clean Win 11 install (both are on Win11).  To be fair, the X570 is running a 17% or so OC where the Z590 is stock except for memory being set to XMP1 gear 1.
 
Full specs on each rig:
 
Intel Rig:
Mobo: EVGA Z590 Dark
CPU: 11900K
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB (single rank)
M.2: 1x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0
GPU: PNY GT720 (will be replaced with 2x EVGA 3090 FTW3 in SLI once CPU is tuned)
CPU Cooler: Optimus Foundation
Pump: EKWB EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 300 D5 PWM Pump-Reservoir
Rad: 1x XSPC 480 (will be 2x EXPC 480 once the 3090's are on water)
PSU: EVGA 1200 P2
 
AMD Rig:
Mobo: Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
CPU: 5950X
RAM: G,Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC
M.2: 2x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0
GPU: EVGA RTX 3090 KingPin HC
CPU Cooler: XSPC
Pump: EKWB EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump-Reservoir
Rad: 480 Thick (forget brand/model)
PSU: Corsair AX1500i
 
Will be interesting to pit the 2 rigs against each other once the Intel rig has been tweaked.
post edited by pclausen - 2021/09/18 10:03:54
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 10:21:02 (permalink)
How are you uploading those awesome photos?
 
I have a very tiny 200kb CrystalDiskMark file and it won't load 
 
Nice random speeds, much better than mine...
post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/18 10:25:21
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 10:42:13 (permalink)
I first upload the images to imgur and then paste those URL's here when clicking the Insert/Edit Image button.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 11:26:59 (permalink)
Here's what it looks like when I use Imgur... gee, can't get the image to load.
 
Oh well, here's what I got with a WD_Black SN850 500GB M.2 SSD in the PCIe 4.0 slot. Hope you can open it. Sequential Reads Writes are good but my Randoms are really low. 
 
https://imgur.com/PqAizUy
 

post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/18 11:34:51
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 11:54:04 (permalink)
I do see it.  Your reads are smoking fast!
 
Once you upload it to imgur, be sure to use the direct link as opposed to the image link, when you grab the URL to put back in your post here.
 
I captured your image and am posting it here:
 

 
So I got my 11900K running at 5.2 GHz on all cores and stable.  However, some of my cores are getting mighty hot:
 

 
Don't know if it is the "free" paste that came with the block, my application method, or the fact that I'm scared to tighten down the thumbscrews really tight since there is no backplate underneath the motherboard.
 
I'm comparing to the temps Luumi is getting at 5.2, which are:
 

 
So I'm as much as 14C higher than him on one of my cores:
 

 
Once I move the Z590 Dark into a case and add my AquaComputer controller, sensors, etc, I'll have a better idea about what's going on.  Given Cinebench R15 only takes 30 seconds to complete, I'm pretty sure it is just the thermal conductivity between the CPU and block that is messed up.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/18 12:33:35 (permalink)
Yep, that's Rocket Lake, ALL-Core CPU overclocks beyond 5.1Ghz get really warm with ambient cooling - air or water.
 
In your bios - for CPU Core Ratio: Select Per Core OR By Core Usage, whatever your bios calls it, where you set each core at a different clock speed.
 
Set up two cores at clock 53, two cores at clock 51, and four cores at clock 50 or 49, your thermals should improve. 
 
Then try two cores at 54 as your high clock and clock the other cores much lower.
 
And so on and so forth, keep at it - took me some time to find my highest clock for the CPU with temps I could live with.
 
https://i.imgur.com/YUPz2pN.jpg
 
I'm using an AquaComputer controller also - brilliant minds think alike lol 
 
https://i.imgur.com/lPzzx9E.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/18 12:52:28
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 06:36:26 (permalink)
going above 5.3 needs avx offset 1 and avx 512 offset 1. if u run higher than 5.3 clocks on avx workload it will clock down to 5.3. this is an intel thing.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 08:20:00 (permalink)
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going above 5.3 needs avx offset 1 and avx 512 offset 1. if u run higher than 5.3 clocks on avx workload it will clock down to 5.3. this is an intel thing.


I'm not running any AVX or AVX 512 applications at all so I just disable both. I also disable Adaptive Boost Technology and disable MultiCore Enhancement and just go manual setting each core to its own clock speed. There are some amazing combinations! 
 
With the 5.5Ghz in bios that's two cores at 55 two cores at 52 two cores at 49. But I don't run that as a daily, lol. That's only for Single Thread benchmarks like Cinebench and CPUZ.
 
But that's for CPU only overclocking - when you begin to overclock your mem kits unfortunately the higher they clock the lower your CPU will clock, at least that's how it happens for me on air. 
 
With b-die:
4800Mhz CL16 the cpu will clock up to 5.3Ghz
5066Mhz CL17 the cpu will only clock to 5.1Ghz
 
With Hynix:
5333Mhz CL20, CPU clocks to 5.3Ghz (kinda cool 5.3Ghz CPU and 5.3Ghz memory) 
5333Mhz CL19 CPU only clocks to 5.2Ghz
5600Mhz CL20 CPU clocks to 5.2Ghz
5866Mhz CL21 CPU only clocks to 5.1Ghz
 
That's Rocket Lake I guess at least with air-cooling. Custom water you may achieve much better results, I just don't know.
post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/19 08:37:48
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 13:13:00 (permalink)
I think I figured out why my core temps were so high.  I had the flow reversed through the Optimus Foundation block.  It should flow in to the center and exit from the sides.  I'll be sure to reverse it once I get done putting everything into my Core 9 case.
 
That case just swallowed up that large Z590 Dark:
 

 
Other side:
 

 
Nest up will be mounting the dual 480's in the top rails.  I stole the AX1500i from my AMD rig and gave it the EVGA P1200, which should be plenty since that rig will just have a single 3090 and a 5950X is not nearly as power hungry as a 11900K.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 13:23:56 (permalink)
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I think I figured out why my core temps were so high.  I had the flow reversed through the Optimus Foundation block.  It should flow in to the center and exit from the sides.  I'll be sure to reverse it once I get done putting everything into my Core 9 case.
 
That case just swallowed up that large Z590 Dark:
 

 
Other side:
 

 
Nest up will be mounting the dual 480's in the top rails.  I stole the AX1500i from my AMD rig and gave it the EVGA P1200, which should be plenty since that rig will just have a single 3090 and a 5950X is not nearly as power hungry as a 11900K.




That's a pretty snug fit, you sure you have enough available space in that chassis? 
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 17:12:13 (permalink)
It will be pretty tight once everything is in, trust me.
 
Each rad is setup like this:
 

 
Both 480's installed:
 

 
Below view:
 

 
Pump/Res situated:
 
 
 

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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 17:38:41 (permalink)
Vary nice, your moving along quickly. 
 
I'm waiting on new 2X memory cooling block, heatsinks.  Hopefully start putting my system together on 9/25/2021.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/19 18:16:26 (permalink)
Oh my goodness! How much radiator surface area do you own? 
 
Wowie, you can certainly improve on my overclocking results. I'm only using a simple Noctua heatsink with a single 140mm Noctua Industrial fan.
 
https://i.imgur.com/zCMSYvB.jpg
post edited by WebsterRKL - 2021/09/19 18:18:18
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/20 02:05:37 (permalink)
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babayega
going above 5.3 needs avx offset 1 and avx 512 offset 1. if u run higher than 5.3 clocks on avx workload it will clock down to 5.3. this is an intel thing.


I'm not running any AVX or AVX 512 applications at all so I just disable both. I also disable Adaptive Boost Technology and disable MultiCore Enhancement and just go manual setting each core to its own clock speed. There are some amazing combinations! 
 
With the 5.5Ghz in bios that's two cores at 55 two cores at 52 two cores at 49. But I don't run that as a daily, lol. That's only for Single Thread benchmarks like Cinebench and CPUZ.
 
But that's for CPU only overclocking - when you begin to overclock your mem kits unfortunately the higher they clock the lower your CPU will clock, at least that's how it happens for me on air. 
 
With b-die:
4800Mhz CL16 the cpu will clock up to 5.3Ghz
5066Mhz CL17 the cpu will only clock to 5.1Ghz
 
With Hynix:
5333Mhz CL20, CPU clocks to 5.3Ghz (kinda cool 5.3Ghz CPU and 5.3Ghz memory) 
5333Mhz CL19 CPU only clocks to 5.2Ghz
5600Mhz CL20 CPU clocks to 5.2Ghz
5866Mhz CL21 CPU only clocks to 5.1Ghz
 
That's Rocket Lake I guess at least with air-cooling. Custom water you may achieve much better results, I just don't know.


do not disable avx please. (DARK CANNOT DISABLE AVX/AVX 512, no option in bios). WINDOWS uses avx 2 , and most games use avx as well. avx 512 if u want u can disable but better to keep to enabled. 
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/20 02:22:56 (permalink)
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Here's my result from CrystalDiskMark:
 

 
Those numbers are ok, but then I ran the same test on my 570X rig (5950X) which edges it out on sequential reads and puts the smack down on random read/write compared to the Z590:
 

 
The 570X rig has dual Sabrent 1G NVMe 4.0 drives in it and I did the test to the D: game drive and not the OS drive, but I was not expecting that big of a difference, especially since the Z590 has a clean Win 11 install (both are on Win11).  To be fair, the X570 is running a 17% or so OC where the Z590 is stock except for memory being set to XMP1 gear 1.
 
Full specs on each rig:
 
Intel Rig:
Mobo: EVGA Z590 Dark
CPU: 11900K
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB (single rank)
M.2: 1x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0
GPU: PNY GT720 (will be replaced with 2x EVGA 3090 FTW3 in SLI once CPU is tuned)
CPU Cooler: Optimus Foundation
Pump: EKWB EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 300 D5 PWM Pump-Reservoir
Rad: 1x XSPC 480 (will be 2x EXPC 480 once the 3090's are on water)
PSU: EVGA 1200 P2
 
AMD Rig:
Mobo: Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
CPU: 5950X
RAM: G,Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC
M.2: 2x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0
GPU: EVGA RTX 3090 KingPin HC
CPU Cooler: XSPC
Pump: EKWB EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump-Reservoir
Rad: 480 Thick (forget brand/model)
PSU: Corsair AX1500i
 
Will be interesting to pit the 2 rigs against each other once the Intel rig has been tweaked.


My ASUS Crossfire VIII Hero WIFI with the Corsair MP600 Pro XT in slot 1:
 


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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/20 10:51:37 (permalink)
Impressive numbers!
 
Got everything wired and plumbed.
 

 
It actually does look mostly empty still, lol.
 

 
Aqua Controller:

 
The Thermaltake Core 9 isn't my favorite case given how huge it is.  I prefer open cases, but since I had this sitting in the attic and it has a 5 1/4" opening (very rare these days) for the Aqua Controller, I decided to use it for this build.  If I go hard tubing later, I'll definitely get a different case and I guess I don't really need to keep the display attached to the Aqua Controller, which will expand my selection quite a bit.
 
Cinebench 15 run is barely registering on the coolant temp graph:

 
The PSU definitely did notice the run however:

 
Core temps are much better now that the coolant is flowing in the right direction:

 
Guess I'm ready to drop in the 3090's next!
post edited by pclausen - 2021/09/20 11:16:26
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/20 13:03:09 (permalink)
Did he just say 3090s? As in plural? As in more than one? 
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/21 08:15:17 (permalink)
Got the 3090's shoehorned in:
 

 
SLI Bridge:

 
Black heatsink on the backplate of GPU closest to CPU with 3,000 rpm fan on it:

 
Also have a heatsink sandwiched between the GPUs to keep the 2nd GPU VRAM cool.  That one also has a 3,000 rpm fan blowing through it as per the 1st pic.
 
Both the front panel connectors and the RGB connectors are NOT horizontal, so I had to bent the pins to clear the 2nd GPU:

 
EVGA was on the right track with the horizontal connectors, but for some reason they decided not to do the front panel connectors nor the RGB ones...
 
Anyway, once I get water blocks on the GPUs, those connectors should clear.  Might also switch to hard tubes at the same time.
post edited by pclausen - 2021/09/21 08:37:08
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/22 07:56:15 (permalink)
That looks like a really nice case to work in.

did you set the voltage manually on your 11900k? It seems like the voltage is pretty high for a 5.2GHz all-core setting. Mine doesn't get that high until 5.3+. I think it hits 1.460 at 5200MHz during the OC Robot run. 1.549V at 5300MHz. I currently have it set at 1.39V adaptive with a +50mV offset and -25% droop with ratio-limit set at 5.3GHz for 1-4 cores active, 5.2GHz for 5-6 cores, 5.1GHz for 7-8 cores. I can benchmark at 5.3GHz all-core, but for any normal usage I don't notice a difference at 5GHz or 5.1GHz from 5.3GHz, so I just leave it there to be nice and cool.
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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/22 08:19:06 (permalink)
very sharp build
 
those are nice cases - I've got one also. 
 
Did you find one for sale recently or you already had the case ?

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Re: Z590 Dark - couple of pics from initial test setup 2021/09/22 08:26:40 (permalink)
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Impressive numbers!
 
Got everything wired and plumbed.
 

 
It actually does look mostly empty still, lol.
 

 
Aqua Controller:

 
The Thermaltake Core 9 isn't my favorite case given how huge it is.  I prefer open cases, but since I had this sitting in the attic and it has a 5 1/4" opening (very rare these days) for the Aqua Controller, I decided to use it for this build.  If I go hard tubing later, I'll definitely get a different case and I guess I don't really need to keep the display attached to the Aqua Controller, which will expand my selection quite a bit.
 
Cinebench 15 run is barely registering on the coolant temp graph:

 
The PSU definitely did notice the run however:

 
Core temps are much better now that the coolant is flowing in the right direction:

 
Guess I'm ready to drop in the 3090's next!


it looks like u have disabled ocp(u have maxed ocp). its better to keep it on for safety reasons for daily(default is disabling them, I know its confusing)
 
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