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2019/07/12 09:44:13 (permalink)
New to the forum... and PC’s. (Eek!)

4k gaming is what I am after.

Was unsure what section to post this in as it asking about cpu/motherboard with the gpu I want to use.

Been doing loads of research into building my first pc and I know I want a 2080ti FTW3 gpu so working backwards from that.

I was looking at the EVGA Z390 Dark, thinking it was a great match and gives me loads of tinkering room etc.

I’ve understood that these types of processors have 16 lanes available to them for the GPU. now I can see that If I run only one 2080ti ftw3 it will run 16x, and if I run two (which was an upgrade I was planning for later) it would be 8x on both cards?

Where does the M.2 come into all of this, does it rob lanes from the PCIe lanes that are for the gpu or is it part of the southbridge? (Think that is the terminology)? And my understanding shared between other devices.

What I want to know is if the m.2 will force my GPU into 8x in the first stage of my build.

My main goal was to run stage 1 build of

I9 9900k oc
Z390 dark
M.2 x2
Ftw3 + hybrid cooling

And later stage 2

Adding a second ftw3 (sli)

As I’ve not bought anything yet should I go for a cpu/board that has more lanes like the x-series chips and matching board to later future proof my rig... or will this stage 1 config run in 16x on gpu and 4x on m.2 and forget sli and forget upgrading later to sli?

Please go gentle on me, open to advice and I’m sure this is basic pc stuff for everyone else, have tried to research this as much as I can and learn the basics, hope you can help.
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 09:48:16 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum
    For running One Graphics Card you cannot go wrong with the Z390 Dark if you are going to be Overclocking High on your CPU and Deliding the CPU and so on.
    It is meant for Extreme Overclocking and most of the Reviews say this up front. So it might lack features for Gaming.
    For general Overclocking and gamming Computer would work great but at higher Cost you should look more at the FTW Model Motherboard.
     
    Do a compare of the two motherboards https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=1&family=Motherboard+Family&chipset=Intel+Z390
    You have less on the Dark on some features and more Features on the FTW Model like on the Dark you only have 2 Memory Slots and on the FTW you have 4 Memory Slots. 
     Not to Scale.
     FTW has RGB and the Dark has No RGB. The Dark needs a Bigger Case then the FTW needs.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/07/12 11:41:58


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:08:18 (permalink)
    Thank you for your reply, I will definitely look into this now.

    Does this help with the PCIe lanes or is it the same on all z390 boards/chips?

    (I should have said 4k would be nice, not a must.)
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:11:55 (permalink)
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    Thank you for your reply, I will definitely look into this now.

    Does this help with the PCIe lanes or is it the same on all z390 boards/chips?

    (I should have said 4k would be nice, not a must.)

    Both only support 16 Lane Processors and the GPU will use all of it unless you install another Device in the other Slot that is Supplies from the CPU.
    Most of the other Device like the SATA and M.2 uses PCIe Lanes from the Z390 Chipset (PCH).
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/07/12 10:23:13


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:13:13 (permalink)
    But with "Adding a second ftw3 (sli)" you should really look more at the X299 Dark and a 44 Lane Processor.
    I have both and with 2 Graphics Cards, you would need to compare them, the Dark has No RGB and the FTW K has RGB
    EVGA X299 FTW K, 142-SX-E297-KR, LGA 2066, Intel X299, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.1, USB 3.0, EATX, Intel Motherboard
    EVGA X299 DARK, 151-SX-E299-KR, LGA 2066, Intel X299, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.1, USB 3.0, EATX, Intel Motherboard


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:13:50 (permalink)
    Thats smashing, so if I stick to a single 2080ti ftw3, and install one or even two M.2 ssd I should still get full 16x on the gpu.

    Feel like this would be a proper sweet set up.
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:16:28 (permalink)
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    Thats smashing, so if I stick to a single 2080ti ftw3, and install one or even two M.2 ssd I should still get full 16x on the gpu.

    Feel like this would be a proper sweet set up.

    Correct, this is what I am going to be doing with mine. That is as soon as they come back in Stock on EVGA's Website.
    One KPE Graphics Card and 2 M.2 Drives and the KF Processor.
    Review the Manuals and how the Slots work and are shared between them and where the PCIe Lanes come from CPU or the Z390 Chipset (PCH).
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/07/12 10:22:53


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:20:06 (permalink)
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    But with "Adding a second ftw3 (sli)" you should really look more at the X299 Dark and a 44 Lane Processor.
    I have both and with 2 Graphics Cards, you would need to compare them, the Dark has No RGB and the FTW K has RGB




    Guess in my heart I knew that I couldn’t have my cake and eat it, would have been nice to leave the door open for a second gpu, but I feel one should be good enough for my needs and I should wind my neck in lol

    I’m guessing the extra cost now would be around £1k more to “maybe” upgrade later... at which point stuff might have moved along and i’ve paid that extra tax for now reason...
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:22:50 (permalink)
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    Thats smashing, so if I stick to a single 2080ti ftw3, and install one or even two M.2 ssd I should still get full 16x on the gpu.

    Feel like this would be a proper sweet set up.

    Correct, this is what I am going to be doing with mine. That is as soon as they come back in Stock on EVGA's Website.
    One KPE Graphics Card and 2 M.2 Drives and the KF Processor.
    Review the Manuals and how the Slots work and are shared between them and where the PCIe Lanes come from CPU or the Z390 Chipset.
    • Z390 Chipset Motherboards                



    As long as the gpu works at 16x with the m.2x2 then I’ll be happy.

    So now which motherboard is going to be best?

    And while I’m here is the hybrid upgrade for £150 worth it on the ftw3? Or is the fans good enough.

    Really appreciate everyones help so far, and not laughing at me :-)
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:27:59 (permalink)
    For the most part SLI has very little support in Gamming and can even make it worse in Games that do not support SLI.
    One Powerful Graphic Card and a Single Monitor you cannot go wrong.
    I cannot say with two Monitors how things would go with One Graphics Card but I would think fine for any 2080 Ti Model Card.


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:29:48 (permalink)
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    superclarkey
    Thats smashing, so if I stick to a single 2080ti ftw3, and install one or even two M.2 ssd I should still get full 16x on the gpu.

    Feel like this would be a proper sweet set up.

    Correct, this is what I am going to be doing with mine. That is as soon as they come back in Stock on EVGA's Website.
    One KPE Graphics Card and 2 M.2 Drives and the KF Processor.
    Review the Manuals and how the Slots work and are shared between them and where the PCIe Lanes come from CPU or the Z390 Chipset.
    • Z390 Chipset Motherboards                


    As long as the gpu works at 16x with the m.2x2 then I’ll be happy.

    So now which motherboard is going to be best?

    And while I’m here is the hybrid upgrade for £150 worth it on the ftw3? Or is the fans good enough.

    Really appreciate everyones help so far, and not laughing at me :-)

    No one here will be laughing at you for you question, that is what this Forum is for.
    "Members Supporting Members" or "Members Helping Members" you can ignore the rest.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/07/12 10:32:03


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 10:35:03 (permalink)
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    For the most part SLI has very little support in Gamming and can even make it worse in Games that do not support SLI.
    One Powerful Graphic Card and a Single Monitor you cannot go wrong.
    I cannot say with two Monitors how things would go with One Graphics Card but I would think fine for any 2080 Ti Model Card.


    My intentions are 1 monitor.

    I got the impression from my research was that SLI was big thing (and almost needed) and now slowly becoming redundant as singular cards are becoming so powerful. So my logic was to buy one really good card and reduce any bottleneck by having two etc.

    As I saw no point of buying 2x £650 cards when I can buy 1x £1300 card that seems to do better.

    I know SLI is the only way to get crazy levels but for my needs seemed like a nice to have more than I needed it.. I was just trying to keep my options open if I found I needed a second.

    Not heard of the KPE, whats that?

    Hybrid or fans? :-)
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 11:18:54 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh
    For the most part SLI has very little support in Gamming and can even make it worse in Games that do not support SLI.
    One Powerful Graphic Card and a Single Monitor you cannot go wrong.
    I cannot say with two Monitors how things would go with One Graphics Card but I would think fine for any 2080 Ti Model Card.


    My intentions are 1 monitor.

    I got the impression from my research was that SLI was big thing (and almost needed) and now slowly becoming redundant as singular cards are becoming so powerful. So my logic was to buy one really good card and reduce any bottleneck by having two etc.

    As I saw no point of buying 2x £650 cards when I can buy 1x £1300 card that seems to do better.

    I know SLI is the only way to get crazy levels but for my needs seemed like a nice to have more than I needed it.. I was just trying to keep my options open if I found I needed a second.

    Not heard of the KPE, whats that?

    Hybrid or fans? :-)

    SLI was big at one time but has died out for the most part, it has gone from 4-Way SLI done now to only 2-Way SLI.
    This also Hardware Based SLI using a SLI Bridge whether NVLink or the Older GTX HB SLI Bridge.
    I benchmark in SLI but not really use it for Gaming a the Norm.
    Ones that use Software based SLI is far from the Norm and very hard to work and work across the real world.
    KPE is the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N GAMING, 11G-P4-2589-KR, 11GB GDDR6, iCX2 Technology, HYBRID Cooler, OLED Display, Metal Backplate
    I use to just call it the KP GPU but I took on this name this year from other Forum Members.
    Hybrid or Hydro Copper under a Custom Water Loop is the only way to go, at least for me.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2019/07/12 11:21:33


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 11:44:07 (permalink)
    Right got ya, I’m going to go with the hybrid as its already done and ready for install without extra hassle.. water-loop sounds like too much hassle :-)

    My rig will be an inclosed box with no rgb and no see through side panel, its a tool to get a job done, don’t care what it looks like hehe and I get the feeling most people do the water loop because its cool to look at hehe :-)

    Only reason going for hybrid as fan noise annoys me and hoping it will make it quieter.

    Going for a evga cpu water cooler off the shelf too.

    Can’t make my mind up between the motherboards, might just get the dark one as it seems to do more unless I’m wrong.
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 11:52:06 (permalink)
    The Dark Side is Great and long as you do not want RGB on the Motherboard.
    I have even more odd uses for mine other than Just Benchmarking that is.
    Good info here EVGA OC Lab and here EVGA Z390/Z370/H370/B360 Series about the Dark.
    You may need to change the Default 30 Days to 365 to see more Threads.

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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/12 11:57:55 (permalink)
    I like to be able to mess with stuff, so having more options for me to break stuff is always more fun :-)

    Zero interest in rgb lighting, if i change my mind I’ll buy a disco ball, few lasers and a fog machine 😂
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/13 22:52:15 (permalink)
    Good luck on your selection and build - I AM ready to retire the evga-270 K so reading  up too
    and  like you no interest in Roy G. Biv lights.
     
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 06:03:59 (permalink)
    Because EVGA X299 Dark take all glory I never pay attention on Z390 Dark.
    But if you look better board is fantastic. It's not some skinny ATX board, like Crosshair VII Formula. Ultra expensive ATX board....
    This is real thing. 
    I tried to change look of angled 24 pin with CM adapter, but not look even close as EVGA angled 24pin.
    I like gold logo on her EVGA Z390 Dark in corner, on PCB.
    Owners have a lot of reason to be proud, on Z390 Dark and special X299 Dark. 
     
    Many customers don't understand but with a lot of RGB lights you could give WOW impression to some people with cheap board and to save a lot of money. But without RGB no lies, everything is visible, RGB not distract attention and not hide details, that's reason why I don't like to motherboard full of RGB. Small LED diodes are nicer then ROG Glasses or GIGABYTE Eagle... etc...
    RGB without doubt help in some cases to manufacturers sell not so premium motherboard for premium price.
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2019/07/14 06:09:17

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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 08:37:44 (permalink)
    Psychedelic Motherboards
    The Timothy Leary Look

    Remember Black Lights


    And the Glow Bars

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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 09:34:34 (permalink)
    I’m finalising my orders for this, can someone recommend me the best case to house this? Not going to be running a water loop, just want great cooling and solid case... happy to pay a premium.

    Going to being running hybrid cooler on gpu and evga cooler on cpu.

    Also ideal power-pack?

    Looking to get good memory for the board also, looking at 32gb in two sticks, 3200/3400.

    I9 9900k
    32gb
    Hybrid 2080ti ftw3

    My budget is £6k, but needs to include a nice monitor out of that, and maybe a steering wheel setup lol pushing my luck?

    Enjoying this forum, thank you guys/girls for making me feel welcome.
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 09:58:57 (permalink)
    Maybe a Core Case
                            
    Thermaltake Core V71 Tempered Glass Edition E-ATX Full Tower Tt LCS Certified Gaming Computer Case CA-1B6-00F1WN-04
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074ZLQZ8F
                            I have this one and like that you can put the PSU at Bottom
    Thermaltake CA-1F8-00M1WN-02 Core X71 Tempered Glass Edition
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4R021Q
    EVGA $299.99 
    EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2, 80+ PLATINUM 1000W, Fully Modular, EVGA ECO Mode, 10 Year Warranty, Includes FREE Power On Self Tester Power Supply 220-P2-1000-XR 
    EVGA Supernova 1000 P2 On Sale over on Amazon Price: $199.99
    https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1200-X1/dp/B00EKJQM5E
    or
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZ3SFB3  EVGA Supernova 1000 G3 Price:$159.00
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LY4OJYJ EVGA Supernova 850 G3 Price: $147.80 
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00COIZTZM  EVGA Supernova 1300 G2  Price: $209.62
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 10:18:18 (permalink)
    Forgot what your Location was  £6k
    You can add it under your User Control Panel
    At the Bottom of the page under Misc. Information


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 10:20:11 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
    Forgot what your Location was  £6k
    You can add it under your


    From the UK, but normally can get most stuff here :-)

    Is the corsair cases psu good? As seem to have good prices overhere
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 10:21:56 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh
    Forgot what your Location was  £6k
    You can add it under your

    From the UK, but normally can get most stuff here :-)

    Is the corsair cases psu good? As seem to have good prices overhere

    I stay away for Corsair Power Supplies, but as long as it is Gold or Higher you should be fine.


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 10:24:35 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh
    Forgot what your Location was  £6k
    You can add it under your

    From the UK, but normally can get most stuff here :-)

    Is the corsair cases psu good? As seem to have good prices overhere

    I stay away for Corsair Power Supplies, but as long as it is Gold or Higher you should be fine.


    Ok, maybe why its cheapish?

    I want a case that is very good for cooling, maybe £200-£250 budget.

    Looking at all the links you kindly provided above now.
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/14 11:11:01 (permalink)
    Looking at bequiet dark base pro 900 rev 2?
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/15 06:59:23 (permalink)
    Well ordered Lian Li PC-011 Air case.

    Seems I can’t buy a EVGA dark z390 anywhere in europe!!

    :-(

    P.s I’ve ordered a 2080ti Kingpin, bloody £1900! Ouch.

    Didn’t fancy getting a bad 2080ti ftw3 as I read about failures.

    Really want to get this build going, even thought about other MB, but really want a dark!
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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/15 07:22:27 (permalink)
    superclarkey
    Looking at bequiet dark base pro 900 rev 2?

    I am waiting myself for Stock on EVGA's Website.


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    Re: Z390 dark the right board for my needs? 2019/07/15 07:26:52 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
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    Looking at bequiet dark base pro 900 rev 2?

    I am waiting myself for Stock on EVGA's Website.


    I’ve signed up for notifications, wonder how long it will take, kinda want to get the board ordered first before other stuff.

    Might as well go wait and look into monitors...
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