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2017/03/11 04:08:18 (permalink)
https://www.techpowerup.com/231401/you-really-shouldnt-delidd-amds-ryzen-7-cpus
 
The AMD Ryzen 7 heatspreader is soldered so attempts to delidd it really aren't worth the effort. In the article the user messed up 3 CPUs attempting to delidd it. Just don't do it with this CPU.

            
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 04:22:04 (permalink)
    Der8auer is also paid to do this, so it is appropriate for him to take sample chips and find out what everyone else wants to know.



    Delidding video


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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 05:48:44 (permalink)
    Sweet review
    How many of you guy do this with your CPUs?


                            
     
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 06:24:44 (permalink)
    I have done it once, that CPU looks really Bad and I bet has overheating issues.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 06:26:18 (permalink)
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    Sweet review
    How many of you guy do this with your CPUs?


    I did it a bunch a couple of years back, but never with an AMD cpu.

    I like watching the video as he explains that the heater is going to melt the TIM and it should take a little while... *POP* Oh!.. LOL!
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 06:26:41 (permalink)
    I have two delidded Intel CPUs atm from Silicone Lottery it's nice to see a CPU mfg use solider on a high end chip actually it makes no sense not to. Having to void your warranty just to have decent temps while overclocking is a shrewd step on Intel's part to not support overclocking. Intel may have to reconsider there position as a result of AMDs attention to detail.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 09:51:04 (permalink)
    seth89
    Sweet review
    How many of you guy do this with your CPUs?

    Not I. I don't want to take the risk in breaking my cpu.


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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:21:41 (permalink)
    I've attempted this with my i7 3770K. Accidentally broke of a small part in the middle that could barely be seen. Was still within the warranty period, ran a RMA and got a new one. Never tried again... just bought the i7 4790K and never really looked back. 

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:32:43 (permalink)
    RainStryke
    I've attempted this with my i7 3770K. Accidentally broke of a small part in the middle that could barely be seen. Was still within the warranty period, ran a RMA and got a new one. Never tried again... just bought the i7 4790K and never really looked back. 


    Intel accepted your delided 3770k?


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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:51:08 (permalink)
    Yeah, I just glued it back together with some tire glue that I had laying around from my RC car hobby at the time. I thought for sure it was going to get denied for physical damage since the damage was in the middle, on the side that connects to the motherboard pins. I did provide a little bit of candy in the RMA package, so that may have helped.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:52:17 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I just glued it back together with some tire glue that I had laying around from my RC car hobby at the time. I thought for sure it was going to get denied for physical damage since the damage was in the middle, on the side that connects to the motherboard pins. I did provide a little bit of candy in the RMA package, so that could of helped.


    Wow. I think you just got lucky.


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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:54:31 (permalink)
    Nah, I actually didn't even think about trying to RMA because of physical damage. I was told by others to just give it a try because it worked for them too. 

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 10:55:00 (permalink)
    Good article on CPU soldering.
     
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 11:45:47 (permalink)
    No point with Ryzen, with this gold solder...

     
     
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 11:54:45 (permalink)
    Performance on the AMD Ryzen 1800X for example is very good. I'm using one now and after my GTX 1080ti comes in I am going to change my signature. I think performance benefits with this particular CPU should best be achieved with overclocking.

                
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 16:13:09 (permalink)
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    Performance on the AMD Ryzen 1800X for example is very good. I'm using one now and after my GTX 1080ti comes in I am going to change my signature. I think performance benefits with this particular CPU should best be achieved with overclocking.


    Awesome news enjoy! I'm still on the fence about Ryzen but I have a 1080 TI on the way too. I'm leaning more toward 1700x but I've been reading about lots of bugs with their motherboards. I might just wait awhile and let it all normalize. 

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 18:14:03 (permalink)
    I think some people are totally missing the point of de-lidding. It's to get non-solder TIM off of the CPU for better contact. When you are using solder, the main reason to de-lid is gone.
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/11 19:38:03 (permalink)
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    Performance on the AMD Ryzen 1800X for example is very good. I'm using one now and after my GTX 1080ti comes in I am going to change my signature. I think performance benefits with this particular CPU should best be achieved with overclocking.


    The chip can't overclock past like 4.1GHz unless you're doing LN2 runs.


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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/12 07:47:04 (permalink)
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    Performance on the AMD Ryzen 1800X for example is very good. I'm using one now and after my GTX 1080ti comes in I am going to change my signature. I think performance benefits with this particular CPU should best be achieved with overclocking.

    Did they sort out the Memory issue yet?(not being able to post if your RAM is set over 2666)
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/12 10:27:43 (permalink)
    Yeah, my buddy is running DDR4 3000MHz on his Ryzen set up without a issue. Got to see his new setup just yesterday. Also, the 1800x overclocks around 4.6GHz. The lower end 1700 and 1700x and not that great at overclocking.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/12 12:03:05 (permalink)
    I start to read this topic with hope that someone will try to explain Intel cheap "chewing gum" under IHS is even better than soldered processor.
    Lets beg Intel to sell processors completely without IHS, than could save even more. 
    Because customers can't remove IHS easy. 
    AMD used best possible way for heat transfer, nothing else, same as Intel on Haswell-E and Broadwell-E.
    That's fair, because there are very cheap R5 models with incredible performance.
     
    No one can't be shocked because AMD performance, AMD performance are something normal.
    Similar improvement would be for 5 years if every generation arrive with normal improvement, not miserable.
    And after 2-3 generation difference would be exactly as now Ryzen from Vishera.
    Only Intel keep us in false reality that we touched border and no space for improvement and in mean time technology continue to go forward they give us nothing year for year and than suddenly huge difference.
    That was madness what Intel done, they sabotage performance, sabotage usage over 2 and 4 cores, customers should get far better performance in Windows 10 than i7-6900K and i7-6950X. Now with new and fast M.2 NVMe devices and some new generation of CPU computer should fly. Instead of that people paid almost 2000$ only to competition announce same performance after 7-8 months for 500$. Now almost 2000$, price of i7-6950X reach 2000 euro on some places in first week. For improved Nehalem with 10 cores. Single threded performance almost as Xeon.
     
    At the end cheap paste under IHS is not to Intels save cost, that's because Intel have character as real overclocker and they want to customers alone remove IHS and install better paste. AMD is evil because didn't done same.
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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/12 19:43:07 (permalink)
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    I start to read this topic with hope that someone will try to explain Intel cheap "chewing gum" under IHS is even better than soldered processor.
    Lets beg Intel to sell processors completely without IHS, than could save even more. 
    Because customers can't remove IHS easy. 
    AMD used best possible way for heat transfer, nothing else, same as Intel on Haswell-E and Broadwell-E.
    That's fair, because there are very cheap R5 models with incredible performance.
     
    No one can't be shocked because AMD performance, AMD performance are something normal.
    Similar improvement would be for 5 years if every generation arrive with normal improvement, not miserable.
    And after 2-3 generation difference would be exactly as now Ryzen from Vishera.
    Only Intel keep us in false reality that we touched border and no space for improvement and in mean time technology continue to go forward they give us nothing year for year and than suddenly huge difference.
    That was madness what Intel done, they sabotage performance, sabotage usage over 2 and 4 cores, customers should get far better performance in Windows 10 than i7-6900K and i7-6950X. Now with new and fast M.2 NVMe devices and some new generation of CPU computer should fly. Instead of that people paid almost 2000$ only to competition announce same performance after 7-8 months for 500$. Now almost 2000$, price of i7-6950X reach 2000 euro on some places in first week. For improved Nehalem with 10 cores. Single threded performance almost as Xeon.
     
    At the end cheap paste under IHS is not to Intels save cost, that's because Intel have character as real overclocker and they want to customers alone remove IHS and install better paste. AMD is evil because didn't done same.


    Not sure if you are joking or what?  I think the translation wasn't very good.
    Joking aside...
    Intel IHS = Bad
    AMD IHS = Good
    No one wants to be bothered by removing an IHS and voiding your warranty.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/12 21:14:47 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I just glued it back together with some tire glue that I had laying around from my RC car hobby at the time. I thought for sure it was going to get denied for physical damage since the damage was in the middle, on the side that connects to the motherboard pins. I did provide a little bit of candy in the RMA package, so that could of helped.


    Wow. I think you just got lucky.


    I've RMAed one delidded processor. I used black silicone to reattach the ihs, and even told them i had delidded because of bad thermals, then reattached it. The tech said that if they couldnt tell, they would rma it.. brand new chip came back, so i didnt complain.

    There was also the 5960x they forgot to send me after an rma.. that was OEM, and didnt have a warranty... since they forgot to return it after denying the rma, the sent me a brand new one to make things even. Then sent me the old one back too.. i told them to send me a shipping label, and i would return the oem chip, sonce they sent me a brand new one.. label never came, cou later sold for cheap woth the buyer understand that there was NO warranty. Intel has treated me very well.

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/13 00:33:13 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I just glued it back together with some tire glue that I had laying around from my RC car hobby at the time. I thought for sure it was going to get denied for physical damage since the damage was in the middle, on the side that connects to the motherboard pins. I did provide a little bit of candy in the RMA package, so that could of helped.


    Wow. I think you just got lucky.


    I've RMAed one delidded processor. I used black silicone to reattach the ihs, and even told them i had delidded because of bad thermals, then reattached it. The tech said that if they couldnt tell, they would rma it.. brand new chip came back, so i didnt complain.

    There was also the 5960x they forgot to send me after an rma.. that was OEM, and didnt have a warranty... since they forgot to return it after denying the rma, the sent me a brand new one to make things even. Then sent me the old one back too.. i told them to send me a shipping label, and i would return the oem chip, sonce they sent me a brand new one.. label never came, cou later sold for cheap woth the buyer understand that there was NO warranty. Intel has treated me very well.




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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/19 09:00:09 (permalink)
    Who has the link to the Cheap Windows 10 Pro?

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    Re: You Really Shouldn't Delidd AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs 2017/03/20 15:33:55 (permalink)
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    Who has the link to the Cheap Windows 10 Pro?


    What does this have to do with this thread?


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