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2019/10/11 12:17:19 (permalink)
ok, we are getting ready to build my 15 year old sons newest build.  Primary use is gaming/live streaming.  I am a bit confused on a couple of things and wanted to source the knowledge of the EVGA crowd to ping our parts list off while we wait for the new i9s to hit the streets.  In particular RAM and NVME questions.
 
Here is the parts list.
 
CASE: EVGA DG-86
MOBO: EVGA X299 Dark
GPU: EVGA 1080ti SC (he's going to ride this until Ampere releases)
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 T2, 80+ TITANIUM 850W
CPU: Intel i9-10920x (when released)
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 360mm All-In-One
RAM: EVGA SSC (32GB @ 4x8GB) 8GX-D4-3200-MR.  Should we just use this ram he already has in his Z170? or upgrade to speeder ram?  Kind of cool to have it a 100% EVGA build but not sure on this.  (Can you tell we love EVGA around here?)
HDD: Two 500GB M.2 NVME Western Digital Black SN700.  Not planning on RAID0.  Just using one drive for the OS and the other for his game installs.  He also has a 2TB WD Black SATA HDD.
 
Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.  We normally do custom H2O loops and that isn't out of the question but we are also not planning on any crazy overclocking so I am hoping the EVGA AIO solution is good enough for now.  (perhaps the BIOS "Gamer Mode" level OC)
 
Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
post edited by rblaes_99 - 2019/10/11 12:20:52


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    jollydet
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/11 18:53:18 (permalink)
    Would swap the drives to 970 evos and get some faster g skill memory personally. Rest looks pretty nice.
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/11 20:35:17 (permalink)
    considering this: F4-3466C16Q-32GVK


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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/11 20:43:31 (permalink)
    i think they are hynix chips. Not fantastic for overclocking and fairly high secondary timings. You would be better with a C3200C14 Kit which will overclock way more than 3466@c161818 https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder
     
    Or a get faster validated kit if you don't get a B-die kit.
     
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/12 02:35:52 (permalink)
    RAM from Z170 could be used, but upgrade is highly recommended.
    Because Quad Channel you need to add 2 more DIMMs. Because of that better is kit with same modules. 
    No reason to go over 3200MHz... I even believe 3200MHz is recommended speed for X299.
     
    It's nice to see that more people is interesting to upgrade to X299 instead Z390.
    X299 Dark as only motherboard build to deal with Skylake-X 1st and refresh and now even Cascade Lake-X deserve to be called No 1 X299.
    Because it's one model. Other companies change 2-3 premium models in mean time but inside they are almost identical and work on same way.
    I would felt much better as owner of X299 Dark, then owner of Rampage 6 Extreme, with two Rampage VI models launch after mine motherboard.
    Feeling would be much different looking rich people who instantly switch on last model and with X299 Dark where all of us have same mobo no matter when someone bought X299.
     
    I believe if people decide to pay premium motherboard, and they are not necessary for OC and gaming they deserve to have top motherboard at least during period of that chipset.
    Special if AMD or Intel didn't made some changes when some serious improvement or new features is necessary. If chipet last 1 year or 2-3 years customer of premium motherboard should enjoy as owner of top model, not almost identical model to replace them and occupy all attention of manufacturer and overclockers who work for that brand.
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/12 02:48:20 (permalink)
    You part list is perfect.
    Nice big case capable for custom loop one day, good graphic card, perfect X299 platform and CPU model.
    I would advice 1000W T2 PSU if that's not problem and 1TB M.2. 
    But that's mine decision, rather one 1TB M.2 WD Black with heatsink and 1TB SATA III SSD 860 EVO or WD  cost 120$.
     
    WD Green 1TB SSD cost 100$. SATA III SSD.
    Instaling games on them or M.2 is almost identical and 1TB M.2 will serve long time.
    That's best recommendation someone could give you.
     
    Now is chance to get rid of HDD completely.
    Price of SSD is not big, and dual 1TB SSD SATA III inside single slot for 3.25" is everything people need.
    One storage, one gaming drive, OS on M.2. 3TB Total. Everything else should be out of case and connected from time to time if you need some data.
    First money, I buy one more 1TB 860 EVO, Then I will have 850 EVO 1TB, 860 EVO 1TB and 970 EVO Plus 1TB. 120GB Force GT and loudest part of PC HDD WD Black get out.
     
     
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2019/10/12 02:52:45

    i7-5820K 4.5GHz/RVE10-EK Monoblock/Dominator Platinum 2666/ASUS GTX1080Ti Poseidon/SBZxR /Samsung 970 EVO PLus 1TB/850 EVO 1TB /EVGA 1200P2/Lian Li PC-O11WXC/EK XRES D5 Revo 100 Glass/Coolstream PE360-Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM x3
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/12 03:23:29 (permalink)
    Looking at these now: F4-3600C14Q-32GTZN


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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/12 10:47:40 (permalink)
    Vlada011
    You part list is perfect.
    Nice big case capable for custom loop one day, good graphic card, perfect X299 platform and CPU model.
    I would advice 1000W T2 PSU if that's not problem and 1TB M.2. 
    But that's mine decision, rather one 1TB M.2 WD Black with heatsink and 1TB SATA III SSD 860 EVO or WD  cost 120$.
     
    WD Green 1TB SSD cost 100$. SATA III SSD.
    Instaling games on them or M.2 is almost identical and 1TB M.2 will serve long time.
    That's best recommendation someone could give you.
     
    Now is chance to get rid of HDD completely.
    Price of SSD is not big, and dual 1TB SSD SATA III inside single slot for 3.25" is everything people need.
    One storage, one gaming drive, OS on M.2. 3TB Total. Everything else should be out of case and connected from time to time if you need some data.
    First money, I buy one more 1TB 860 EVO, Then I will have 850 EVO 1TB, 860 EVO 1TB and 970 EVO Plus 1TB. 120GB Force GT and loudest part of PC HDD WD Black get out.
     
     
     


     
    Why would you tell someone not to go over 3200mhz on x299 when 3200 is the bare minimum that should be considered on a Mesh architecture cpu? these chips live and die on fast memory given how little cache they have, the price difference between a 3200mhz and 3600mhz kit is not big and provides a massive performance increase. With all due respect your experience with X99 is not relevant to skylake-x cpus as you keep posting about haswell-e/x99 and memory in the x299 subsection but haswell-e has a weak imc, massive cache and uses ring architecture and is not memory speed dependent like skylake-x/cascade-x that is just bad advice.
     
    X299 and the dark does not have the finicky memory issues that x99 asus boards had. x299 wants the fastest memory you can throw at it especially if your using the platform for gaming no ifs and or buts. Secondly a 12core and a single gpu with a 850W T2 is plenty and will stay in the efficiency island of 80+ when not under load making the system more efficient otherwise why buy a Titanium psu 1000w would be preferable if he was running huge overclocks. Western digital ssds are near the same price compared to any of samsungs offerings which are proven to be the most reliable and fastest drives around so why roll the dice when for 20$ more you can buy the gold standard.
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/13 05:53:18 (permalink)
    So which ram? Price not am object...we want 32gb. Is the raw frequently more important or the c14 subtimings? This is actually pretty confusing to me.


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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/13 05:54:12 (permalink)
    So which ram? Price not am object...we want 32gb. Is the raw frequently more important or the c14 subtimings? This is actually pretty confusing to me.


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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/13 13:58:27 (permalink)
    It depends because they usually increase the timings with the speed so speed/timing is pretty even so 3200 CL14, 3600 CL16 and 4000 CL18 are about same latency.
     
    3200 CL14 4.375 ns
    3600 CL16 4.444 ns
    4000 CL18 4.5 ns
     
    For brands I've used GSkill and Team lately and had good success with them, Corsair is pretty decent too but they are pricier for the performance.
    post edited by DEJ915 - 2019/10/13 14:04:19
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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/14 05:11:12 (permalink)
    F4-3733C17Q-32GTZKK
     
    DDR4 3733 (PC4 29800)                 
    Timing 17-17-17-37                      
    CAS Latency 17                       
    Voltage 1.35V
     
    Samsung B-die (I think)
     
     
    complete build list here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78tCyk
     
    post edited by rblaes_99 - 2019/10/14 05:37:37


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    Re: X299 Dark Build Advice please. 2019/10/14 09:37:13 (permalink)
    rblaes_99
    F4-3733C17Q-32GTZKK
     
    DDR4 3733 (PC4 29800)                 
    Timing 17-17-17-37                      
    CAS Latency 17                       
    Voltage 1.35V
     
    Samsung B-die (I think)
     
     
    complete build list here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78tCyk
     




    Thats a good kit.
    This is also a good option F4-3600C16Q-32GTZSW depending on your color preferences, essentially the silver version of F4-3600C16Q-32GTZKK (black version is a little pricey these days)
     
    All 3 would serve you well
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