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2019/03/21 11:53:36 (permalink)
I wonder in terms of performance would a kingpin 2080ti hydro copper watercooled fully vs a ftw 3 2080ti edition be so close in performance that it won't be worth getting a kingpin?
Looking at the gamersnexus video these cards will clock up to 2200 which seems pretty good on water for starters. But, can we expect these cards to go up 2300 or beyond consistently while gaming?
 
     I would hope so because if it's this expensive it should be worth it in achieving very high overclock speeds.
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:22:01 (permalink)
The Kingpin has Always Been EVGA's Halo Graphic Card
 
Seems to be designed for World Record Runs @ subzero temps.  Previous versions had built-in Heaters
 
The unanswered question in your reference seems to be: will FPS increase all things being equal

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:22:18 (permalink)
If one is Released and you like Overclocking

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:26:30 (permalink)
I believe one will be released! 
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:26:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby strufa 2019/03/21 12:38:50
I'd say no.   Unless you just want bragging rights.   

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:38:56 (permalink)
The Kingpin 2080ti hydro copper Will probably - cost more - than the Currently Available EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro Copper
 
What kind of Performance Edge would you Gain & @ what Cost ? 
 
We will have to wait & see

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 12:39:33 (permalink)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking if the performance is only 5-10 fps difference doesn't seem worth it to me. If it was 15-25 fps more and it overclocked on water like a 980ti kingpin on steroids i'd certainly get one then.
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 13:36:35 (permalink)
If it ever comes out, sure!


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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 16:26:13 (permalink)
hopefully soon.
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 16:44:01 (permalink)
I've been saying that for 3 months now. Honestly I don't understand why they can't just determine a realistic date and make the announcement.
 
Who am I kidding though... they could literally release them 1-month before a new uArch for $2500 and they would still sell-out almost instantly. Beggars can't be choosers I guess... but my patience is certainly waning.


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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 17:41:58 (permalink)
If the value of a ~5% FPS gain is worth it to you, then purchase the card.

You are not looking at 15-20fps, you are looking around 3-5 FPS after overclocks more than likely.

Vince shows in a Gamers Nexus video, and then states, that almost every card he has test was able to hit 2200mhz... that probably isn’t going to change much of anything in a video game, but it will be good in benchmarks and for bragging rights.

It’s unlikey that EVGA will guarantee that sort of clock as well. If they follow the last generation trend, 2025 MHz is the only guaranteed overclock, and that isn’t the stock clock either.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 17:48:08 (permalink)
Out of sheer curiosity would a kingpin 2080ti card beat out a titan rtx card both watercooled? I guess the difference would be so negligible that it wouldn't suffice getting a titan rtx card lol. But if  these kingpin cards with waterblocks come for around 2100+ maybe there would be an argument for getting a titan then.
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 20:12:13 (permalink)
“Would an RTX Titan have 13gb more VRAM? Would an RTX Titan be far more suited for workload applications?” Yes. Aside from that, the Titan isn’t a gaming card, so why even consider it? That is an inefficient waste of money in every way possible.

Better and more logical questions would be:

“Will the FTW3 Hydrocopper perform close to the same and save a good bit of money compared to the Kingpin?” Yes it would.

“Will I benefit from a Kingpin over an FTW3?” no, you probably wouldn’t based on this thread, and you will be spending a lot of extra money not knowing what you have bought just because it costs more.

“Should I buy the Kingpin?” Probably not, but it is your money and you have to live with your decision. Based on everything you have asked, the Kingpin isn’t going to do much at all for you and your expectations are likely to get crushed.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/21 20:16:50 (permalink)
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I'd say no.   Unless you just want bragging rights.   




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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 06:10:27 (permalink)
There have been multiple BIOSs and unique overclocking tools for previous Kingpin editions that don't work on FTW, reference or competitor's boards. The 980s and 1080s were attractive to me because of those tools.  Yes, they are particularly for competitive overclocking, but that's just what I want them for.  My expectations for the 2080s include that sort of support.
 
Another problem is integrating an AIO water block with pump into an existing custom chilled water loop.  I would be so much better off with a full hydrocopper block or even a third party block.


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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 09:09:50 (permalink)
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“Would an RTX Titan have 13gb more VRAM? Would an RTX Titan be far more suited for workload applications?” Yes. Aside from that, the Titan isn’t a gaming card, so why even consider it? That is an inefficient waste of money in every way possible.

Better and more logical questions would be:

“Will the FTW3 Hydrocopper perform close to the same and save a good bit of money compared to the Kingpin?” Yes it would.

“Will I benefit from a Kingpin over an FTW3?” no, you probably wouldn’t based on this thread, and you will be spending a lot of extra money not knowing what you have bought just because it costs more.

“Should I buy the Kingpin?” Probably not, but it is your money and you have to live with your decision. Based on everything you have asked, the Kingpin isn’t going to do much at all for you and your expectations are likely to get crushed.



Sadly, looks like sticking with the 2080ti will be a better choice. I thought this card would boost my fps in games like 15-20 fps over another watercooled overclocked ftw 3 2080ti. Only reason to get one perhaps is higher memory clocks because of Samsung memory. And, the fact that this card won't die on me since it should be built well. 
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 09:12:57 (permalink)
jab383Another problem is integrating an AIO water block with pump into an existing custom chilled water loop.  I would be so much better off with a full hydrocopper block or even a third party block.



Vince said they are doing a Hydro Copper so if that's what you want then you can wait for that. He said release is probably April but based on how things are going with the Hybrid (that was supposed to come out in March) I would assume we won't see the Hydro Copper variant until May. Or you can just get the Hybrid and then a custom block from EK, Heatkiller etc. when/if they come out.


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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 10:18:35 (permalink)
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Sadly, looks like sticking with the 2080ti will be a better choice. I thought this card would boost my fps in games like 15-20 fps over another watercooled overclocked ftw 3 2080ti. Only reason to get one perhaps is higher memory clocks because of Samsung memory. And, the fact that this card won't die on me since it should be built well.


That right there is an EXTRMELY bad misconception. These cards are built well, but so are most of the other 2080ti’s that out there. This has the same possibility for failures, which is unavoidable due to the nature of electronics that are this sensitive to everything.

The backend support for the card itself (like jab383 mentioned with Bios’) will be great because we have Kingpin and Tin here to support the owners of the card. Like Jab383 stated, bios’ support will be a big thing after the cards launch.

I am extremely certain that you REALLY need to invest time into researching previous generation Kingpin cards before you invest. Pay particular attention to the failure threads that are available as well as the terms of service that you will HAVE to agree to before purchase.

I would absolutely hate to see you purchase this expecting it to take you to the moon when it is only taking you a few feet higher into the stratosphere.

Jab383, the Kingpin Bios is specific to the Kingpin card on purpose. It is not meant to be used on the FTW3 or Classified (although classified has faded into the past now) line of GPU’s.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 12:30:59 (permalink)
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But, can we expect these cards to go up 2300 or beyond consistently while gaming?

Not without increasing the voltage even more. Vince was running the card @ 1.15v which is over the max allowed default of 1.093v just to get 2200. The higher you go over 1.093v the faster the card dies.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 17:39:50 (permalink)
I would need to use a volt mod to do this right? You can't modify volts of these cards because its locked by default?
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 17:45:41 (permalink)
Kingpin cards I believe can use higher voltage by default.. and I'm sure their is easy ways to go nuts on the voltage but one would want liquid nitrogen for it.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 17:58:51 (permalink)
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I would need to use a volt mod to do this right? You can't modify volts of these cards because its locked by default?


You'll most likely be able to get a vbios for the card that can allow up to 1.2v. You'll have to ask Vince for it.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 18:07:50 (permalink)
Who is Vince? And, will this bios be available after launch for everyone? 
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 18:12:43 (permalink)
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Who is Vince? And, will this bios be available after launch for everyone? 

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 18:15:00 (permalink)
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Who is Vince? And, will this bios be available after launch for everyone? 


Vince is Kingpin. Most likely.

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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 18:16:34 (permalink)
I knew asking that question will lead to foolishness lol. I'm new to EVGA and overclocking so please pardon the stupid question from before lol
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/22 18:27:35 (permalink)
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/03/25 19:50:10 (permalink)
 
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/04/05 10:16:14 (permalink)
How would I ask him? :o  Well, i'd be using the kingpins strictly for gaming... the hybrids seem quite beefy you think they would be enough to achieve high overclocking potential that would be comparable to a full custom loop? Not sure if they will even offer waterblocks for this anyway. I plan on getting 2 of these might be overkill but I haven't upgraded my PC in 6 years! 
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Re: Would it be worth it investing in Evga kingpin 2080ti hydro copper version? 2019/04/05 11:26:42 (permalink)
I think the value of these cards also comes down to the games you want to play and the monitor you have. At a certain point it's just benchmark frames if you are already getting more frames then the monitor will display.

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