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2021/11/10 14:41:06 (permalink)
Just a heads up the new world of warships update just killed my EVGA 3090FTW3 hybrid.

running no overclocks and looking at a ship in port my PC black screened and the GPU fan went to 100% and now the motherboard gives a VGA boot error I assume this is basically the same power issue new world has had with killing 3090s .
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 14:52:01 (permalink)
    As long as the underlying problem continues to exist, this will be the result from time to time. This isn't a specific game problem.

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 14:54:08 (permalink)
    I’ve played the game a lot on this card with no issues. It has to be something with this update
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 15:51:40 (permalink)
    These cards have an underlying design issue. Blame whatever you want, but if the design issue didn't exist, the card wouldn't fail.

    The problem is that the NVIDIA power monitoring design is not designed to prevent momentary power spikes which exceed the VRM's capability. Each time one of those spikes occurs, there is a chance that the VRM will fail. At the moment, the solution appears to be that you should replace the video card via warranty if it fails within warranty period, and eventually retire the video card for a newer design (which hopefully better handles/avoids the problem).

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 16:37:16 (permalink)
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    These cards have an underlying design issue. Blame whatever you want, but if the design issue didn't exist, the card wouldn't fail.

    The problem is that the NVIDIA power monitoring design is not designed to prevent momentary power spikes which exceed the VRM's capability. Each time one of those spikes occurs, there is a chance that the VRM will fail. At the moment, the solution appears to be that you should replace the video card via warranty if it fails within warranty period, and eventually retire the video card for a newer design (which hopefully better handles/avoids the problem).

    Not all 3000 series cards have the problem. FE cards and KPE cards don't have issues.

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 17:09:16 (permalink)
    ty_ger07
    These cards have an underlying design issue. Blame whatever you want, but if the design issue didn't exist, the card wouldn't fail.

    The problem is that the NVIDIA power monitoring design is not designed to prevent momentary power spikes which exceed the VRM's capability. Each time one of those spikes occurs, there is a chance that the VRM will fail. At the moment, the solution appears to be that you should replace the video card via warranty if it fails within warranty period, and eventually retire the video card for a newer design (which hopefully better handles/avoids the problem).



    I personally don't think that we are seeing anything out of the ordinary for these cards. If it was a power spike then cards wouldn't be going for over a year and then having an issue. It could be just a bad game patch though. I am not saying that cards are not dying but It's not thousands of reports that would happen if it was a design flaw that will kill every card made.
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 17:11:23 (permalink)
    Hey, Sajin; all these posts about dying 30 series cards are bringing me down .  Making me scared to thrash some games, and benchmarks, and such like I want to .
    Are there any 3080 xc3 ultra cards that are not affected, or are they badly affected, what say you ?
     
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 17:18:31 (permalink)
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    These cards have an underlying design issue. Blame whatever you want, but if the design issue didn't exist, the card wouldn't fail.

    The problem is that the NVIDIA power monitoring design is not designed to prevent momentary power spikes which exceed the VRM's capability. Each time one of those spikes occurs, there is a chance that the VRM will fail. At the moment, the solution appears to be that you should replace the video card via warranty if it fails within warranty period, and eventually retire the video card for a newer design (which hopefully better handles/avoids the problem).

    Not all 3000 series cards have the problem. FE cards and KPE cards don't have issues.

    All the cards are unable to drop boost fast enough to avoid spikes. NVIDIA uses an average power limit instead of an instantaneous power limit. And the VRM of many models appears to have hardware overcurrent protection set way too high to really protect them from damage over time.

    I think the biggest difference in the specific cards is what the VRM is capable of versus their typical loads. The Kingpin doesn't have problems because the VRM is able to handle way more than will ever normally occur. And the FEs don't have problems because their standard power limit is way lower than the VRM is capable of. If the average power limit is lower, the instantaneous spikes will also be lower.

    The cards with the most problems are the ones riding the upper limit of the reference design. But again, the root cause is the inability to detect instantaneous power spikes.
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 18:57:45 (permalink)
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    Just a heads up the new world of warships update just killed my EVGA 3090FTW3 hybrid.

    This should upset Jay very much. We should be expecting his 2 cents very soon.
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 19:03:57 (permalink)
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    Hey, Sajin; all these posts about dying 30 series cards are bringing me down .  Making me scared to thrash some games, and benchmarks, and such like I want to .
    Are there any 3080 xc3 ultra cards that are not affected, or are they badly affected, what say you ?
     
    Houston, do we have a problem ?
     
     

    Haven’t seen many people reporting issues with that card here on the forums. Mainly 3090 ftw3 affected. I was able to find this on google however... https://www.reddit.com/r/...evga_rtx_3080_bricked/

    I’d say your chances are lower with the 3080 xc3 ultra.

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 20:17:37 (permalink)
    Sajin
     

    Haven’t seen many people reporting issues with that card here on the forums. Mainly 3090 ftw3 affected. I was able to find this on google however... https://www.reddit.com/r/...evga_rtx_3080_bricked/

    I’d say your chances are lower with the 3080 xc3 ultra.

    Awesome, thank you .  That makes me feel better .  I also noted one of the users on the other forum reminded all that the software will protect the hardware .
    It seems to me that I could see this working when benchmarking hard with live monitoring .  The card will run just a little faster before it gets fully warmed up,
    then throttle the processor back a tiny bit, holding the temp. constant at 79-80 deg.
     
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 20:23:32 (permalink)
    G-sync on or off shouldn’t affect your benchmark scores. Just make sure v-sync is off.

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 20:34:10 (permalink)
    Thanks again, good evening, sir .
     
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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 20:35:18 (permalink)
    No problem.

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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/11/10 20:45:47 (permalink)
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    Just a heads up the new world of warships update just killed my EVGA 3090FTW3 hybrid.

    This should upset Jay very much. We should be expecting his 2 cents very soon.





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    Re: World of warships update killed my 3090 2021/12/02 14:44:48 (permalink)
    WOWs spikes my GPU in the Port and secondary screens (tech tree, etc.).  Am also seeing much lower frame rates since the update (144 -> 30).  Have undervolted my card (.825/1860) which took care of the thermal power draw problem.  Frame rate issue is not related to the undervolt (similar FPS when card is OC).
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