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2019/06/12 11:40:27 (permalink)
Just want to know if nvidia is pushing out a 2080 Ti super, will evga also have to push out a new super version of K|NGP|N since old version will no longer be the flagship.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 11:47:43 (permalink)
    Seems unlikely, imo. If they really wanted to they could have waited to put out the kingpin as a super card.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:09:46 (permalink)
    I don't see the 2080 ti getting super treatment as that would help put 2080 ti into titan rtx territory. Some people are reporting that the 2080 ti will get a whole new chip & vram. I also don't see that happening as that would mean there would be a new titan card as well.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:18:55 (permalink)
    It really depends on what we see from a Super card and the real world performance increase. First we would need to see the crown for best card be lost.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:23:57 (permalink)
    Starting a rumor about a rumor. Nice.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:38:30 (permalink)
    if the rumors are accurate, I do not see why we cannot have another kingpin.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:49:41 (permalink)
    Guaranteed there won't be another Kingpin for the 20xx Turing GPU's. The next Kingpin we will see is the Kingpin of the next uArch's high-end Ti card.


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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 12:49:42 (permalink)
    The rumors are not true.  You heard it here first.  If anything they'll drop 2060 Ti and 2070 Ti cards and the 2080/2080 Ti cards will all get OC binned chips. 
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 13:33:46 (permalink)
    All I know is, if they are true I'm gonna have some buyers remorse on my $1500 ftw3
    I figured I'd have nearly two years like I did with the 980Ti till the 1080Ti launch, for that pricy of a card to be obsolete in 8 months would just be messed up on Nvidia part. Really hoping you guys are right and the rumor is bogus.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 21:39:27 (permalink)
    The RTX KPE is already a 2080 ti "Super"
     
    Unlocked and better memory
     
    Though I also heard zee rumors. I think it depends on how threatened NVIDIA is feeling. AMD might just push us into another 1080ti situation but this time without the krypto. So fun to think about.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/12 22:45:05 (permalink)
    AFAIK, there's only been one Kingpin per architecture.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 02:10:26 (permalink)
    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 02:27:43 (permalink)
    They should launch that immediately. 
    Maybe some people will feel bad if NVIDIA launch for same price GPU with all CUDA and that's not good move against customers.
    Only there is a one problem, normal people would delay upgrade after reviews of RTX2080Ti FE. Because price, because less CUDA Cores and because small performance difference compared to GTX1080Ti.
    It was obvious from first moment that price was INSANE+INSOLENT and it was obvious that new generation need all CUDA cores and better frequency to become real successor of GTX1080Ti and price to stay same. 
    Turing push more people to AMD or second hand then any generation before from NVIDIA and now they afraid that Navy could become just little slower then RTX2080Ti with affordable price and need something faster. Imagine if launch price of Navy become half price of RTX2080Ti. In that situation you can't sorry anyone who bought RTX2080Ti if faster GPU show up because that was not lucid decision.
    I could payed 250 euro more then second hand GTX1080Ti for some nice premium RTX2080Ti, but not 300 euro more for RTX2080. 
    Paying 1350 euro in Europe for new NVIDIA GPU was total arrogance with wasting money.
     
    I mean throwing so much money... that's not any more small amount for any region on the world and become serious price no matter on economic situation and left normal people with question What we done. Even if you buy once, that can't last long, sooner or later you released that you payed them 3 times more then worth not overprice. 
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 03:30:35 (permalink)
    Oh well...Kingpin users paid 2k for theirs and 3k for a Titan.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 03:32:00 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Lol what are you even talking about? That CUDA number is just the Titan chip. The real world performance difference will probably be less than 5%. The “unlimited power limit” rumor is a load of crap. Overclocked memory? Who cares, just overclock it yourself.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 04:59:29 (permalink)
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    Oh well...Kingpin users paid 2k for theirs and 3k for a Titan.




    Problem is because only performance of overclocked K|NGP|N are worth to say this is real improvement after GTX1080Ti, but not at price.
    Other are not worth price or performance. Max price should be... and that for people who are ready to overprice but not to give NVIDIA money as gift is K|NGP|N 900$, RTX TITAN full CUDA 1000$, EVGA Founders Edition frequency 800$.
    Is that small price? No that's much more then they worth and enough to NVIDIA profit a lot.
    Now they push people in situation to pay 1-2 GPU 1500$ and to gave up from gaming after that and use one GPU 6-7 years when figure out that paying almost 8.000-10.000$ for 3-4 GPUs is not worth. We don't talk about situation gaming and pay or find another hobby.
    People play hard core gaming with 3 times lower price and enjoy more I believe because they are much less frustrated with money they pay and how much work and if new series with more CUDA show up they will feel bad except if they buy and that model.
    Why customers couldn't stay with GTX1080Ti and buy another one for 500$ and on that way give warning to NVIDIA that such prices would not be tolerated. 1-2 years. Imagine reaction of NVIDIA with only 15% of customers who payed them RTX2080Ti. For now that would be biggest and most important revenge of customers to NVIDIA. And NVIDIA would try to resist even that, but only to stay persistent customers and they can't survive 2 years to ask 1300$, after year price would drop on 1000$, than only 10% more people to buy, soon price would drop on 799$ and then customers to easy to start to back. 
    Only performance difference are reason because I don't feel bad, to small improvement. In different situation I would be very angry because I can't afford new GPU and switch to Radeon VII. I could buy him. No any chance to buy cheaper mid segment RTX2060 or RTX2070 instead Radeon VII. 
    That would not happen ever. Because GTX470 and GTX970 or GTX770 was never mine class, I had 4890, 5870, 6970, GTX580, GTX780Ti all of them top models 250W power consumption, and now from GTX580 or GTX780Ti one fantastic cheap with all cuda same as TITAN to buy RTX2070 and pay them serious price, that will not happen ever.  Always will be some cheap top class Radeon model 250W power consumption with reference PCB compatible with waterblocks, temps and power consumption are not mine problems any more. 
     
    It's simple, NVIDIA could look on that as much they want, I'm not in region where economic situation is good, for me 800 euro is like 2500 in USA.
    But never mind I paid them from 450-800 and didn't complain much when my class price go up. Now that become sickness because they want to sell me RTX2070 for same price I paid them years for highest class and I don't want that. People always used to see in my PC high end GPU only I don't change them fast as others, and now suddenly what... Look guys I got RTX2070 this time for money I always got high end. No, no, no. I never had money for SLI and insist on single but best possible. Now I need to pay SLI and got only one.
     
    I had ready 800 for successor of Pascal, and to be honest until now I would paid even 950 maybe even 1000 for K|NGP|N.
    That number of 1K for GPU would seriously disturb me but for such GPU and later some nice waterblock for 5-6 months I would paid even that.
    But no, price is closer to 2000$. And only option for me was second hand Poseidon and I had exactly money for 1TB M.2 Samsung EVO Plus.
    And that's it now next 2 years for sure. 
     
     
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 06:31:50 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Lol what are you even talking about? That CUDA number is just the Titan chip. The real world performance difference will probably be less than 5%. The “unlimited power limit” rumor is a load of crap. Overclocked memory? Who cares, just overclock it yourself.

    But it won't be THE best anymore and that's what counts when you buy a 2k Kingpin 'balls-to-the-wall' stuff instead of a Gaming X Trio or a Strix. At 4k or 3440x1440 you want to squeeze the every goddamn FPS out of the harwdare and admire your e-peen while being top 50 in 3Dmark or Superposition's HoF. 
    Otherwise you could've just gotten an FE or even a MSI Ventus...
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 06:32:08 (permalink)
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    The real world performance difference will probably be less than 5%.




    That's what usually happens.  I say don't sweat it folks. 

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 06:41:05 (permalink)
    You also have to take into consideration that only the Kingpins give you the high watts and being able to up your voltages, so chances are the super will still not get you the OC's of the Kingpins, if so the stock clocks better be awfully high to out do the Kingpins I would think.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 07:57:51 (permalink)
    While I haven't heard a release date, isn't this typical of the timing of Nvidia tick/tock releases? If its in Q4 of this year, thats a year or so after the 2080 Ti.
     
    It seems the only thing different in this generation is the naming scheme. Base cards are now Ti, what formerly existed in the Ti bracket is now the "super." 
     
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 08:19:23 (permalink)
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    While I haven't heard a release date, isn't this typical of the timing of Nvidia tick/tock releases? If its in Q4 of this year, thats a year or so after the 2080 Ti.
     
    It seems the only thing different in this generation is the naming scheme. Base cards are now Ti, what formerly existed in the Ti bracket is now the "super." 




    They usually came out with a 'Ti' version about a year after the initial release of the 'non-Ti's' so if it shows up around Aug.-Sept.+, it follows the timeline historically speaking and another year after that of the next gen architecture.  Very rarely do they release revisions not long after main launch but it has happened before, I think within 12 months I saw this with GTX 780 to GTX 780 Ti (Kepler).

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 11:20:02 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Nvidia has been reserving the full chip for only the titan cards since the 900 series. I don't see them releasing the full chip to 2080 ti as that would make their titan rtx worthless.
     
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 11:44:11 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Nvidia has been reserving the full chip for only the titan cards since the 900 series. I don't see them releasing the full chip to 2080 ti as that would make their titan rtx worthless.
     
    Both the 2080 Ti & Titan RTX are PG150 cards.
     


    Of course an owner of a Titan would make this statement. With the prices and rtx volume already sold I doubt Nvidia cares about the worth of RTX TITAN. They already bucked the trend by releasing the 2080 ti in the same cycle as the RTX TITAN which is out performed or matched by an oced 2080 ti in 3D Synthetics.

    And of course an owner of a 2080ti KPE would say “ no way NVIDIA would make the 2080 ti worthless”

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 12:02:43 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Nvidia has been reserving the full chip for only the titan cards since the 900 series. I don't see them releasing the full chip to 2080 ti as that would make their titan rtx worthless.
     
    Both the 2080 Ti & Titan RTX are PG150 cards.
     


    Of course an owner of a Titan would make this statement. With the prices and rtx volume already sold I doubt Nvidia cares about the worth of RTX TITAN. They already bucked the trend by releasing the 2080 ti in the same cycle as the RTX TITAN which is out performed or matched by an oced 2080 ti in 3D Synthetics.

    And of course an owner of a 2080ti KPE would say “ no way NVIDIA would make the 2080 ti worthless”

    Remember when the 1080ti rendered it’s respective Titan irrelevant as well... I just ate entire bowl of “member” berries and I “member”




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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 12:02:43 (permalink)
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    Well RIP then. Apparently the 2080Ti Super is already in the EEC database:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpclab.pl%2Fnews81015.html
     
    If this is true it should beat the Titan RTX and 2080Ti KPE without problems with all CUDA cores.


    Nvidia has been reserving the full chip for only the titan cards since the 900 series. I don't see them releasing the full chip to 2080 ti as that would make their titan rtx worthless.
     
    Both the 2080 Ti & Titan RTX are PG150 cards.
     


    Of course an owner of a Titan would make this statement. With the prices and rtx volume already sold I doubt Nvidia cares about the worth of RTX TITAN. They already bucked the trend by releasing the 2080 ti in the same cycle as the RTX TITAN which is out performed or matched by an oced 2080 ti in 3D Synthetics.

    And of course an owner of a 2080ti KPE would say “ no way NVIDIA would make the 2080 ti worthless”

    Remember when the 1080ti rendered it’s respective Titan irrelevant as well... I just ate entire bowl of “member” berries and I “member”

    Nither one of my 2080 ti's can outperform or match my titan rtx in synthetics, so your comment about the 2080 ti out performing/matching the titan rtx must be based solely on your kingpin ln2 runs in the hof.
     
    They wouldn't be making it worthless, they would be making it better.
     
    Yes, but I also remember that the 1080 ti & titan x (pascal) weren't full chips too. Only the Titan Xp was the full chip.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 13:01:47 (permalink)
    The super may be full or new chips but they will probably still have disabled shader cores or something disabled. Just because the entire chip design makes it on the pcb and can be marketed S full doesn’t mean all the shaders and other parts of the silicon will be active.

    As for the 2080 ti is ln2 not overclocking?Regardless the HOF's haven't seen many 2080ti KPE LN2 results. Most of the XOCer's are sandbagging. Not uploading their LN2 scores. Also I have only chilled & DICED the KPE so far.
     
    I remember stating an overclocked 2080ti in the previous post and their are plenty of examples of 2080ti’s getting higher graphics scores than the rtx Titan on the 3DMARK HOFs. Last time I checked 3DMark was considered synthetic. Now we are in the weeds.

    IMO the 2080ti is too close to the Titan in 3D synthetics on Turing. Especially considering the price premium.

    Remember that most of the “enterprise” and creator performance enhancements in workloads considered favorable for cards such as the Titan and the Quadro are applied at the driver and software optimization level and not at hardwAre engineering level. Solid works is a perfect example of this ect... Literally larger performance gains are seen from the intentional nurfing @ the software optimization level and driver level of the Enthusiast gaming class of VGAs than is seen by having the full chip design available on the PCB on the Titans and the Quadro's.

    As for image processing, machine learning. HBM2 and a vastly larger mem bus bandwidth comes in to play here and there is no denying the Titans laurels in that case. But even so you are only talking what 60gb/s in improved mem bandwidth.

    4608 cuda cores must be nice though.
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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 14:31:13 (permalink)
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    The super may be full or new chips but they will probably still have disabled shader cores or something disabled. Just because the entire chip design makes it on the pcb and can be marketed S full doesn’t mean all the shaders and other parts of the silicon will be active.

    As for the 2080 ti is ln2 not overclocking?Regardless the HOF's haven't seen many 2080ti KPE LN2 results. Most of the XOCer's are sandbagging. Not uploading their LN2 scores. Also I have only chilled & DICED the KPE so far.
     
    I remember stating an overclocked 2080ti in the previous post and their are plenty of examples of 2080ti’s getting higher graphics scores than the rtx Titan on the 3DMARK HOFs. Last time I checked 3DMark was considered synthetic. Now we are in the weeds. 

    IMO the 2080ti is too close to the Titan in 3D synthetics on Turing. Especially considering the price premium.

    Remember that most of the “enterprise” and creator performance enhancements in workloads considered favorable for cards such as the Titan and the Quadro are applied at the driver and software optimization level and not at hardwAre engineering level. Solid works is a perfect example of this ect... Literally larger performance gains are seen from the intentional nurfing @ the software optimization level and driver level of the Enthusiast gaming class of VGAs than is seen by having the full chip design available on the PCB on the Titans and the Quadro's. 

    As for image processing, machine learning. HBM2 and a vastly larger mem bus bandwidth comes in to play here and there is no denying the Titans laurels in that case. But even so you are only talking what 60gb/s in improved mem bandwidth.

    4608 cuda cores must be nice though.


    Yes, there are 3 people who have beat kingpins ln2'd titan rtx on port royal, but you have to remember that the 2080 ti's they are using are designed for extreme overclocking, and the pcb of titan rtx isn't, so there aren't going to be many people out there trying to push the titan rtx to its limits because the pcb isn't designed to do it. I even bet kingpin ran into issues pushing the titan rtx because the pcb is holding it back.

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    Re: Will EVGA make RTX 2080 Ti Super K|NGP|N if rumor of 2080 Ti Super is real 2019/06/13 16:41:01 (permalink)
    Yep. Voltage mods on GPUV and MEMV is my understanding.
     

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