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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 11:18:07 (permalink)
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pretty much.  "spending time with family" is what you say when you're about to get fired or have been fired but are externally visible and you need a cover story that no one will attack.

This. Han is well know to slander folks that quit and spin a good light on the rest. If this is the case I"m not amazed

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 11:35:18 (permalink)
*Update to original post*
 
EVGA came out with an official statement regarding if there was ever an agreement with Nvidia not to build other brand graphics cards:
 
EVGA_JacobF
Hi all,
 
Please see below for an update to the official message from EVGA:
 
EVGA has seen speculation as to whether EVGA has an agreement with NVIDIA not to build other brand graphics cards.

EVGA has no such agreement. For present, however, EVGA is exclusively focused on supporting its existing community and products.


This is an odd way of EVGA backing themselves into a corner and just adding more confusion to the situation, which is a major point Steve @ GN mentions in his video.
 
It would be nice to get some clarity regarding:
"Andrew: Because of the partnership, at least I don't betray them"  -GN video @ 24:25 mark.
and the statement
"EVGA has seen speculation as to whether EVGA has an agreement with NVIDIA not to build other brand graphics cards.  EVGA has no such agreement"
 
In terms of "legal speak" this could just mean that there were no official agreements/documents Between EVGA and Nvidia that locked EVGA into a non-compete clause with Nvidia GPUs.  Which we can assume to be true.  However, It doesn't account for if there was an unofficial "gentlemen's agreement" (which happens in business) between Andrew and Jensen.  And how could there have ever been a betrayal in the first place if there wasn't an agreement?
 
And going back to motherboards for a second.  EVGA had exclusively made Intel boards (after Nvidia exited the motherboard space) for 12 years, and then started making AMD boards in 2021.  How is this not viewed as betraying the partnership with Intel?
 
There are still unanswered questions here EVGA.
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 11:40:04 (permalink)
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How is this not viewed as betraying the partnership with Intel?

what partnership ? the only partnership EVGA every had was to NVIDIA and it was unofficial since the get go as far as I know.

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 13:52:52 (permalink)
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 Andrew Han wants to spend more time with family.   Things between EVGA and NVIDIA aren't changing before Christmas.  

That is the most arrogant, selfish, and unacceptable, announcement I ever heard.
CEO is (over)paid to spend his time benefiting corporation in general: including assets, workers, shareholders etc.
CEO role is 100% dedication to the job-related activities, as so many people depend on his decisions, effectives, foreseeing chances and troubles etc.
Retirement is the right way to spend more time with family.
 
I am furious that EVGA won't have 4k GPU as it seems those new cards will be quite better and cheaper than 3k cards.
Lovelace architecture, which uses a custom TSMC 4nm process node should scream performance wise.
 
Will try to get FE 4080 16GB 


I am the CEO of my company.  I own it.   And I don't give a rats about anything less when it comes to my family.   If I spent all my time at work and neglected my family,  I'd be making some changes.   Hopefully you have your own family and can relate.    Sometimes certain facets of business just become a pain (NVIDIA) and I can see making the choice to say the hell with it.




"Andrew Han wants to spend more time with family. " - I think this was a poor response or poor excuse as a catalyst to getting out of the GPU space.  Everyone knows that any successful business "Owner/CEO" that has grown an empire and are getting close to retirement age typically brings in a new President/CEO to run the company and the owner typically transitions to a board seat (in this case Chairman).
 

I don't think it was a catalyst as much as the way NVIDIA acted in association with EVGA.  It was just an added reason and not in and of itself.   Not every business owner wants to sell out their business to someone else that will take it into a direction that He may not want it to look like.   The GN video mentioned he didn't want this.  

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 15:01:00 (permalink)
Andrew? Sir?  If you are listening; (Reading) (And forum friends!) Please do your best to keep making video cards for us! I am a long time fan and customer and have purchased 100% EVGA video cards for many many years, as well as some other EVGA accessories and hope to for years to come! YOUR TECH SUPPORT IS TOP NOTCH! There is no company like yours! I plan on getting a new PS and some other EVGA branded items to round out my build. Just Got an older EVGA DG 8 series case, it's shipping now!
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 15:28:49 (permalink)
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Andrew? Sir?  If you are listening; (Reading) (And forum friends!) Please do your best to keep making video cards for us! I am a long time fan and customer and have purchased 100% EVGA video cards for many many years, as well as some other EVGA accessories and hope to for years to come! YOUR TECH SUPPORT IS TOP NOTCH! There is no company like yours! I plan on getting a new PS and some other EVGA branded items to round out my build. Just Got an older EVGA DG 8 series case, it's shipping now!
 
Thanks, Bret :)




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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 15:37:29 (permalink)
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Andrew? Sir?  If you are listening; (Reading) (And forum friends!) Please do your best to keep making video cards for us! I am a long time fan and customer and have purchased 100% EVGA video cards for many many years, as well as some other EVGA accessories and hope to for years to come! YOUR TECH SUPPORT IS TOP NOTCH! There is no company like yours! I plan on getting a new PS and some other EVGA branded items to round out my build. Just Got an older EVGA DG 8 series case, it's shipping now!
 
Thanks, Bret :)




Evga is done....time to move on....they certainly wont survive with their mediocre psu / mobo sales (pretty much NA based only)
 
Yes I have been an Evga "fanboy" (strictly GPU's) since around 2003...BUT this last round of RTX 30xx series "Red Light Of Death" Cards requiring in so many cases multiple RMA's (remember cheaper power delivery components) was enough to have me already looking at switching to Asus GPU's regardless of this announcement.
 
The last Evga motherboard I had was an X58 Classy, BUT since then has been Asus for mobo's all the way and never looked back. (imho Apex and Extreme Boards are far better than a Dark / Classified Board from BIOS options / updates to general design, aesthetics and functionality).
 
As for psu's, again imo AX1200i and 1600i are pretty much the best out there, no need to look elsewhere for a decent psu other than Corsair.
 
Whats Vince up to now....who knows who cares...the Kingpin brand again imo was simply a huge marketing angle that was strictly geared to a very small number of individuals.....and of course some that got sucked into the marketing advertising and spent significantly more coin on a product that provided very little gains unless installing pots and cooling with LN2.
 
As far as Warranties go, Evga USED to have a great lifetime Warranty (remember AR iirc), now their warranties are no better than any other AIB, so that a moot point.
 
I really wish Evga would have kept it simple, as in the beginning: Vanilla>SC>SSC>FTW......it all seemed to go off on all kinds of tangents in past years.
 
Next Card I guess will be an Asus Strix 4080 16G OC edition w EKWB ....
 
Worst part of this will be the complete disconnect from Evga Community Forums, of which I have been a part of for many years and have been a part of so many discussions with so many familiar folks. That will completely dry up for me and will be over at ROG Forums more (VGA section), which has a great group their as well (more diverse International vs NA majority).
 
my 2 cents.....
 
 
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 15:47:53 (permalink)
I actually came here to say it, but its already been said. There is no "exclusivity contract" between Nvidia and EVGA. EVGA from what I remember back in the day stated that it was TOO EXPENSIVE to start up making AMD cards due to their entire group/workforce focusing on Nvidia. The new tool lines, the money spent, they said it wasn't worth it. BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, AMD wasn't competing. AMD was losing to Nvidia generation after generation at this point. And there was no end in sight. Even the CPU side was losing vs Intel over and over again. NOW AMD has been pushing forward both cpu and gpu, to the point that the 6900xt is on parity with raw render vs 3090 in a multi game benchmark (win some games, lose some games, tie some games) and AMD is kicking ass catching up to Intel and even soon surpassing them. AMD is no longer a chump. So it WOULD be worth it to start making AMD products. EVGA already made X570 boards proving that fact when they had zero mentality to do so 10 even 5 years ago.

I want an EVGA x670e DARK motherboard and an EVGA 7900xt Kingpin graphics card. That would be killer.... I would buy both no questions asked as soon as they were available.. Maybe I am just an EVGA fanboy, but they always had the highest quality of any other brand when it came to GPU's (can't talk about their Intel motherboards because I have always been using AMD cpu's since the Athlon X2 days). Honestly EVGA should just forget about Nvidia. With Intel or the horizon it would be best to support Intel/AMD for the long run. Everyone LOVES to bring up that Nvidia can't make x86-64 cpu's because intel owns x86 and AMD owns x64. With their contract between them, they can compete. Which leaves Nvidia unable to make x86-64 (as its so claimed). With that in mind, it cold be possible for AMD/Intel to end up having more cross contracts that help their gpu side boost forward as well.... meaning eventually Intel/AMD are going to be the kings of gpu's too, leaving Nvidia to stick to with AI and other non gamer things. I called that years ago and it seems like the direction its going. Even Nvidia's new 4000 series, the performance gain isn't there, its all "thanks to DLSS3.0" which I guarantee will look like **** just like DLSS2.0 looks like ****. I have tried DLSS2.0 on my 3090 and it looks like a blurry, artifact ridden mess. Sure stand, still, nothing on screen moving, basically a picture, it gets really sharp. The moment you ACTUALLY play the game, it looks horrible. Maybe if people need reading glasses they are already blind so they can't see how bad it looks? But I do.... and I prefer raw sharp rendering.... Intel/AMD is the future. Nvidia will be gone in 10 years maybe less from the gaming market.
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 16:49:43 (permalink)
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I don't think it was a catalyst as much as the way NVIDIA acted in association with EVGA.  It was just an added reason and not in and of itself. 

I can accept this.  As I mentioned, I thought it was a poor excuse (or added reason).
 
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Not every business owner wants to sell out their business to someone else that will take it into a direction that He may not want it to look like.   The GN video mentioned he didn't want this.  

And that is why retiring Owner/CEO's take board seats.  He would retain full ownership along with 100% voting rights (assuming there are no other partners).  The new President or CEO would still have to answer to him.  This is how you get to spend more time with your family while still controlling your business and staying out of the day-to-day operations.  <- In short, this just puts wanting to spend more time with family excuse to bed, but only adds to more confusion of why would he even mention this in the first place?
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 18:59:04 (permalink)
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I don't think it was a catalyst as much as the way NVIDIA acted in association with EVGA.  It was just an added reason and not in and of itself. 

I can accept this.  As I mentioned, I thought it was a poor excuse (or added reason).
 
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Not every business owner wants to sell out their business to someone else that will take it into a direction that He may not want it to look like.   The GN video mentioned he didn't want this.  

And that is why retiring Owner/CEO's take board seats.  He would retain full ownership along with 100% voting rights (assuming there are no other partners).  The new President or CEO would still have to answer to him.  This is how you get to spend more time with your family while still controlling your business and staying out of the day-to-day operations.  <- In short, this just puts wanting to spend more time with family excuse to bed, but only adds to more confusion of why would he even mention this in the first place?


I think Andrew will come to his own conclusions on this.   The NVIDIA relationship break is still raw right now.   He’s what 60.  It is a hard pill to swallow allowing someone different, someone younger take the reins on something you built.

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/21 19:09:53 (permalink)
With Nvidias 4080 tier level BS kinda wanting to steer clear at the moment.  The low end 4080 should have been a 4070 card but of course they wanted a 4080 starting price so it's a 4080.  One has a 192 bit bus with fewer cores and the other a 256 bit bus with more cores but they are both 4080's. Dumb.... Also the demand for these 40 series cards will be a fraction of what the 30 cards were.  No miners left as POW mining is dead and Gamers that will buy expensive cards because they can subsidize and pay for it by doing a little eth mining is also dead. The two 4080's is just dumb. Can't wait to see if RDNA 3 ends up competing. 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 10:45:33 (permalink)
I'd wait for a Ti ... regardless of who makes it

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 10:55:42 (permalink)
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 15:57:22 (permalink)
As much as I would love to see nvidia fix things with evga and make gpus again I think you are trying to look for hope where there is none.
 

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 16:37:26 (permalink)
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As much as I would love to see nvidia fix things with evga and make gpus again I think you are trying to look for hope where there is none.
 




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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 18:23:10 (permalink)
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/23 20:42:20 (permalink)
 
New video from Steve @ GN made it pretty damn clear.
 

 

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/24 15:34:27 (permalink)
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I actually came here to say it, but its already been said. There is no "exclusivity contract" between Nvidia and EVGA. EVGA from what I remember back in the day stated that it was TOO EXPENSIVE to start up making AMD cards due to their entire group/workforce focusing on Nvidia. The new tool lines, the money spent, they said it wasn't worth it. BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, AMD wasn't competing. AMD was losing to Nvidia generation after generation at this point. And there was no end in sight. Even the CPU side was losing vs Intel over and over again. NOW AMD has been pushing forward both cpu and gpu, to the point that the 6900xt is on parity with raw render vs 3090 in a multi game benchmark (win some games, lose some games, tie some games) and AMD is kicking ass catching up to Intel and even soon surpassing them. AMD is no longer a chump. So it WOULD be worth it to start making AMD products. EVGA already made X570 boards proving that fact when they had zero mentality to do so 10 even 5 years ago.

I want an EVGA x670e DARK motherboard and an EVGA 7900xt Kingpin graphics card. That would be killer.... I would buy both no questions asked as soon as they were available.. Maybe I am just an EVGA fanboy, but they always had the highest quality of any other brand when it came to GPU's (can't talk about their Intel motherboards because I have always been using AMD cpu's since the Athlon X2 days). Honestly EVGA should just forget about Nvidia. With Intel or the horizon it would be best to support Intel/AMD for the long run. Everyone LOVES to bring up that Nvidia can't make x86-64 cpu's because intel owns x86 and AMD owns x64. With their contract between them, they can compete. Which leaves Nvidia unable to make x86-64 (as its so claimed). With that in mind, it cold be possible for AMD/Intel to end up having more cross contracts that help their gpu side boost forward as well.... meaning eventually Intel/AMD are going to be the kings of gpu's too, leaving Nvidia to stick to with AI and other non gamer things. I called that years ago and it seems like the direction its going. Even Nvidia's new 4000 series, the performance gain isn't there, its all "thanks to DLSS3.0" which I guarantee will look like **** just like DLSS2.0 looks like ****. I have tried DLSS2.0 on my 3090 and it looks like a blurry, artifact ridden mess. Sure stand, still, nothing on screen moving, basically a picture, it gets really sharp. The moment you ACTUALLY play the game, it looks horrible. Maybe if people need reading glasses they are already blind so they can't see how bad it looks? But I do.... and I prefer raw sharp rendering.... Intel/AMD is the future. Nvidia will be gone in 10 years maybe less from the gaming market.




Andrew Han told Steve at Gamers Nexus that EVGA does not currently have an x670 motherboard in the works.  If they ever come out with one, it will be a very long while since they're not currently working on one.  I'd guess that they won't release an x670 board at all, but possibly an AMD board for the following generation.
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/24 16:17:15 (permalink)
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Yes pretty easy to throw that comment out for discussion for sure....
 
I have NO IDEA what their business model looks like....but pulling the pin on GPU production is a pretty good indicator....remember, unless they have an ace to pull....80% of there business sales was GPU's....they certainly aren't a "primary go to" for most when it comes to psu's and mobo's.
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/24 16:22:22 (permalink)
 
^ remember, revenues is not the same as profits. From what I have seen in the videos from Steve @ GN and JayZTwoCents, the profits from GPUs was around 50% of their total profits, despite it being 80% of their revenue. Still a big hit to their bottom line, but not an 80% hit, and expenses will also dramatically decrease as a result, so really their bottom line will still be pretty good.
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/24 17:11:06 (permalink)
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^ remember, revenues is not the same as profits. From what I have seen in the videos from Steve @ GN and JayZTwoCents, the profits from GPUs was around 50% of their total profits, despite it being 80% of their revenue. Still a big hit to their bottom line, but not an 80% hit, and expenses will also dramatically decrease as a result, so really their bottom line will still be pretty good.
 




Even if the profits from GPUs were 0, it would still be free advertisement. The GPUs were the gate-way product. Look at all the junk products EVGA came out with over the years and just abandoned. They are clearly not a shying beacon of talent..
 
I would not be surprise if EVGA has massive debt and they cannot secure enough money to have GPUs manufactured or any high-end products. Best, I can see them doing is a deal with Intel if they survive long enough or just selling the company/name.
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/24 22:04:22 (permalink)
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^ remember, revenues is not the same as profits. From what I have seen in the videos from Steve @ GN and JayZTwoCents, the profits from GPUs was around 50% of their total profits, despite it being 80% of their revenue. Still a big hit to their bottom line, but not an 80% hit, and expenses will also dramatically decrease as a result, so really their bottom line will still be pretty good.
 




Certainly some valid points....I know if I were in the Market for a new GPU right now I wouldn't consider an Evga product....common sense trumps loyalty in my "book of my life" ;) And clearly Evga is on some sort of path to ?
Imagine how this announcement is going to affect moral within the corp, including support for your GPU moving forward.....
 
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/25 12:54:32 (permalink)
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^ remember, revenues is not the same as profits. From what I have seen in the videos from Steve @ GN and JayZTwoCents, the profits from GPUs was around 50% of their total profits, despite it being 80% of their revenue. Still a big hit to their bottom line, but not an 80% hit, and expenses will also dramatically decrease as a result, so really their bottom line will still be pretty good.
 




GPU Net Profits was stated @ Only  3%

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/25 15:18:34 (permalink)
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^ remember, revenues is not the same as profits. From what I have seen in the videos from Steve @ GN and JayZTwoCents, the profits from GPUs was around 50% of their total profits, despite it being 80% of their revenue. Still a big hit to their bottom line, but not an 80% hit, and expenses will also dramatically decrease as a result, so really their bottom line will still be pretty good.
 




GPU Net Profits was stated @ Only  3%

But it was around 50% of their total profit, supposedly.
GPU profit margin was said to be around 5%.
Other products profit margin was said to be around 15%.
But GPU sales were 80% of their sales.
Overall, total profit was around 58% GPU sales, and 42% other sales, supposedly.

One is a measure of how the profit was distributed. Another is a measure of profit margin.
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/26 20:04:49 (permalink)
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Evga is done....time to move on....they certainly wont survive with their mediocre psu / mobo sales (pretty much NA based only)
 
Yes I have been an Evga "fanboy" (strictly GPU's) since around 2003...BUT this last round of RTX 30xx series "Red Light Of Death" Cards requiring in so many cases multiple RMA's (remember cheaper power delivery components) was enough to have me already looking at switching to Asus GPU's regardless of this announcement.
  
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Worst part of this will be the complete disconnect from Evga Community Forums, of which I have been a part of for many years and have been a part of so many discussions with so many familiar folks. That will completely dry up for me and will be over at ROG Forums more (VGA section), which has a great group their as well (more diverse International vs NA majority).
 
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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/27 05:48:58 (permalink)
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 Andrew Han wants to spend more time with family.   Things between EVGA and NVIDIA aren't changing before Christmas.  

That is the most arrogant, selfish, and unacceptable, announcement I ever heard.
CEO is (over)paid to spend his time benefiting corporation in general: including assets, workers, shareholders etc.
CEO role is 100% dedication to the job-related activities, as so many people depend on his decisions, effectives, foreseeing chances and troubles etc.
Retirement is the right way to spend more time with family.
 
I am furious that EVGA won't have 4k GPU as it seems those new cards will be quite better and cheaper than 3k cards.
Lovelace architecture, which uses a custom TSMC 4nm process node should scream performance wise.
 
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Uhh...maybe for a publicly traded company. EVGA is not that. CEO is also the owner. It's his business. He can do as he pleases. If he thinks this decision is best for him, his family, and his staff (or any combination of the three), it's his choice to make.




 
how can it be a good decision for the staff?  the writing is on the wall if I was working there I would be looking for a job right now if they have not started already

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/27 06:23:54 (permalink)
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The writing is on the wall if I was working there I would be looking for a job right now if they have not started already

I would be too if not for how they slander anyone that leaves. One would have to be clever about it.

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/27 07:30:52 (permalink)
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 Andrew Han wants to spend more time with family.   Things between EVGA and NVIDIA aren't changing before Christmas.  

That is the most arrogant, selfish, and unacceptable, announcement I ever heard.
CEO is (over)paid to spend his time benefiting corporation in general: including assets, workers, shareholders etc.
CEO role is 100% dedication to the job-related activities, as so many people depend on his decisions, effectives, foreseeing chances and troubles etc.
Retirement is the right way to spend more time with family.
 
I am furious that EVGA won't have 4k GPU as it seems those new cards will be quite better and cheaper than 3k cards.
Lovelace architecture, which uses a custom TSMC 4nm process node should scream performance wise.
 
Will try to get FE 4080 16GB 




Uhh...maybe for a publicly traded company. EVGA is not that. CEO is also the owner. It's his business. He can do as he pleases. If he thinks this decision is best for him, his family, and his staff (or any combination of the three), it's his choice to make.




 
how can it be a good decision for the staff?  the writing is on the wall if I was working there I would be looking for a job right now if they have not started already




I didn't say it was. I just said that would be a reason to consider it. Not really knowing the full story, just what has been told to Jay and Steve for making public, I don't really know the full context and wouldn't be able to say it was good for anybody. Personally, it sounds more like picking someone to vote for come election time when you just have to begrudgingly pick between the least bad of two utter crap-sandwiches. I don't suspect they really know what the future holds for them yet, but it sounds like assurances have been made to the staff we interact with. I would think the likes of Kingpin and all the graphics card manufacturing staff wouldn't be so sure what's going to happen going forward.
 
Jay was telling a story before all this came out about how he had talked to Andrew Han about their motherboards not being very good at one point, then getting much better suddenly and when asked why Andrew said "I fired everybody". He seemed to not be very moved or bothered by just taking a clean start, so no, I don't think his primary motivations are ever the whole of the staff (maybe some?...not everyone). So if he finally hit a wall where he was just completely done with Nvidia, the "easy" thing for him to do (which he said to Jay and Steve at their private meeting) was to cut ties with Nvidia and just be done with that. The not so easy thing is figuring out what comes next. Publicly they've made it clear they're going to keep supporting current products. Privately, I imagine they'll weigh many options and try to decide if any of them meet a new metric of "worth the headache" that Andrew decides what passes or fails the metric.
 
I've been trying to think about his perspective on this from the way he answered Steve's questions during the meeting. He's not retiring yet, but he doesn't want to sell the business and he doesn't want to keep doing the thing that's making him miserable. It sounds a lot like he feels the company has thus far been honorable and he values the company legacy too much to risk selling it to someone who might ruin that. There was some indication that at a future date he may be interested in letting some people from within the company take over, but not yet. That is very much like the "family business" mindset of "it dies with me or it will be continued by someone who I trust to do the right things with it". So even if the company shrinks and does less business, but it is still business he feels proud of or that properly represents the brand he's been responsible for, it sounds like he'd be more happy with that than to keep getting ran into the ground by Nvidia. All this said, I think if the right offer came along (with certain freedoms) from Intel or AMD, he'd consider it. I don't personally believe it'll happen this year/gen. 

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/27 07:57:49 (permalink)
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 Andrew Han wants to spend more time with family.   Things between EVGA and NVIDIA aren't changing before Christmas.  

That is the most arrogant, selfish, and unacceptable, announcement I ever heard.
CEO is (over)paid to spend his time benefiting corporation in general: including assets, workers, shareholders etc.
CEO role is 100% dedication to the job-related activities, as so many people depend on his decisions, effectives, foreseeing chances and troubles etc.
Retirement is the right way to spend more time with family.
 
I am furious that EVGA won't have 4k GPU as it seems those new cards will be quite better and cheaper than 3k cards.
Lovelace architecture, which uses a custom TSMC 4nm process node should scream performance wise.
 
Will try to get FE 4080 16GB 




Uhh...maybe for a publicly traded company. EVGA is not that. CEO is also the owner. It's his business. He can do as he pleases. If he thinks this decision is best for him, his family, and his staff (or any combination of the three), it's his choice to make.




 
how can it be a good decision for the staff?  the writing is on the wall if I was working there I would be looking for a job right now if they have not started already




I didn't say it was. I just said that would be a reason to consider it. Not really knowing the full story, just what has been told to Jay and Steve for making public, I don't really know the full context and wouldn't be able to say it was good for anybody. Personally, it sounds more like picking someone to vote for come election time when you just have to begrudgingly pick between the least bad of two utter crap-sandwiches. I don't suspect they really know what the future holds for them yet, but it sounds like assurances have been made to the staff we interact with. I would think the likes of Kingpin and all the graphics card manufacturing staff wouldn't be so sure what's going to happen going forward.
 
Jay was telling a story before all this came out about how he had talked to Andrew Han about their motherboards not being very good at one point, then getting much better suddenly and when asked why Andrew said "I fired everybody". He seemed to not be very moved or bothered by just taking a clean start, so no, I don't think his primary motivations are ever the whole of the staff (maybe some?...not everyone). So if he finally hit a wall where he was just completely done with Nvidia, the "easy" thing for him to do (which he said to Jay and Steve at their private meeting) was to cut ties with Nvidia and just be done with that. The not so easy thing is figuring out what comes next. Publicly they've made it clear they're going to keep supporting current products. Privately, I imagine they'll weigh many options and try to decide if any of them meet a new metric of "worth the headache" that Andrew decides what passes or fails the metric.
 
I've been trying to think about his perspective on this from the way he answered Steve's questions during the meeting. He's not retiring yet, but he doesn't want to sell the business and he doesn't want to keep doing the thing that's making him miserable. It sounds a lot like he feels the company has thus far been honorable and he values the company legacy too much to risk selling it to someone who might ruin that. There was some indication that at a future date he may be interested in letting some people from within the company take over, but not yet. That is very much like the "family business" mindset of "it dies with me or it will be continued by someone who I trust to do the right things with it". So even if the company shrinks and does less business, but it is still business he feels proud of or that properly represents the brand he's been responsible for, it sounds like he'd be more happy with that than to keep getting ran into the ground by Nvidia. All this said, I think if the right offer came along (with certain freedoms) from Intel or AMD, he'd consider it. I don't personally believe it'll happen this year/gen. 




If Andrew wanted to spend time with his family, that's fine, but he should just retire rather than effectively lay off 200 people because he doesn't have the energy to manage the company anymore.  Yes, he can do as he pleases, but just because he could do a thing, doesn't mean that he should.  Rather than pass the torch and save all those people their jobs, he chose to wind down the company for selfish reasons.  And based on how he talks about it, it sure doesn't seem like he gives a crap about all those employees who will soon be out of a job.

At any rate, what's done is done at this point.  EVGA will not be making GPUs for as long as Andrew is in charge, and probably not ever again since they're about to lose all their amazing GPU staff.

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Re: Why we still might still see an EVGA 4090 before Christmas 2022/09/27 08:59:27 (permalink)
So let’s say hypothetically Andrew leaves EVGA and retires to spend time with his family and the new CEO wanted to go back to making NVIDIA GPU. Do you think NVIDIA would take EVGA as a partner? Personally I think that bridge is burned at least for a while…

That is leaving out anything that EVGA leaving raised as a legitimate issue that still is hopefully fixed for other vendors.

If we do see EVGA make a GPU it would have to be AMD or Intel realistically.

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