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ty_ger07
The KP price-to-performance is atrocious.  That would never be my choice.

If you are concerned about the price to performance ratio of the Kingpin card, then the card isn't marketed toward you.

True.  But if you are in his shoes, asking for a quality GPU which is less likely to fail, comparing the FE to the KPE in terms of quality, the atrocious price of the KPE, makes the FE the winner of that comparison every time.  You have to consider what the original question was.  He didn't ask which one has the most buggy gadgets or is most likely to win a subzero LN2 cooling challenge, he asked which one to consider for a quality product which isn't as likely to fail in the way that FTW3s are failing.
The quality of the FE is very good, the price is good, and there is a reason why they are so hard to find in stock.  The quality of the FTW3 is not very good, and it costs more than the FE.  The FE is a no-brainer most times.  The KPE seems to be good quality, but for 25% more, you would expect that.  I don't know that it is 25% less likely to fail compared to a FE.
It is my opinion that the FE and the KPE have similar build quality, but the FE is 25% less costly, so the FE would be my choice regarding the original question, every time.

Good morning,
Received my replacement card through advanced RMA (2014 Number). Opened up Heaven and it crashed. Opened up Cyberpunk and crashed trying to reach the menu screen. Tried applying negative clock and memory adjustments. Heaven ran a little further...then crashed. This is depressing. 

w155l3r
Good morning,
Received my replacement card through advanced RMA (2014 Number). Opened up Heaven and it crashed. Opened up Cyberpunk and crashed trying to reach the menu screen. Tried applying negative clock and memory adjustments. Heaven ran a little further...then crashed. This is depressing. 

crashes how ? pc reset or driver crash ?

w155l3r

pat182

w155l3r
Good morning,
Received my replacement card through advanced RMA (2014 Number). Opened up Heaven and it crashed. Opened up Cyberpunk and crashed trying to reach the menu screen. Tried applying negative clock and memory adjustments. Heaven ran a little further...then crashed. This is depressing. 

crashes how ? pc reset or driver crash ?

Driver. Heaven and Cyberpunk both close.

 
looks like they messup the power delievery or something, its really strange many evga owners report poping cards while other forums are alot more quiet (asus,msi) 
myself have a strix and no problem what so ever so far

pat182
im checking many other forums, and yet , nobody with asus or msi talking about failing cards, all evga for now

Challenge accepted! In about two searches that took about 10 seconds each:
 
TUF 3080 Official Update Tool Bricked-Deleted 1/2 BIOS (asus.com)
 
This one has dead cards from Nvidia, Asus and MSI in the thread:
RTX 2080Ti MASSIVELY DIE! | NVIDIA GeForce Forums
 

SprayingMango
My 3090 died last night. I was convinced mine was solid, but it died while playing divison 2 last night. Stock bios. I put the hybrid kit on it about 3 weeks ago. 

Interesting. Mine died about 20 minutes after putting the hybrid kit on lol. Waiting so long for RMA sucks. Especially because I didn't know about cross shipping until after I sent my card off.

yaggaz

pat182
im checking many other forums, and yet , nobody with asus or msi talking about failing cards, all evga for now

Challenge accepted! In about two searches that took about 10 seconds each:
 
TUF 3080 Official Update Tool Bricked-Deleted 1/2 BIOS (asus.com)
 
This one has dead cards from Nvidia, Asus and MSI in the thread:
RTX 2080Ti MASSIVELY DIE! | NVIDIA GeForce Forums
 

Challenge completely failed! There is a risk of bricking a card flashing a BIOS, ANY CARD and 2, youre linking to a 2080 Ti thread from a year ago. This is completely different architecture with different sub-components. 
 
Here's your line of reasoning: 
 
"EVGA 3080 / 3090 FTW3's seem to have a high failure rate going by the number of reported problems on the official forum and elsewhere" 
 
You:
 
"Yeah, I found a thread showing Asus 780 Ti's from 10 years ago also having problems!" 
 
"I also found a thread where someone bricked their ASUS card flashing a BIOS!" 
 
FAIL. 
 

vulcan1978
Card is overpriced to begin with, I wonder if the sub-par voltage controller has anything to do with the high failure rate and PCI-E load balancing problems: 
 
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=268
 
EVGA did manage to save $10 using the older cheaper voltage controller though. Don't worry, you have a nice $1900 before taxes paper-weight with nice lips! 

A glorified reference according that.

SprayingMango

vulcan1978
Card is overpriced to begin with, I wonder if the sub-par voltage controller has anything to do with the high failure rate and PCI-E load balancing problems: 
 
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=268
 
EVGA did manage to save $10 using the older cheaper voltage controller though. Don't worry, you have a nice $1900 before taxes paper-weight with nice lips! 

Wow....so you are an engineer?? You do PCB design for a living? You have proper education and schooling in the subject? Also, buildzoid has ZERO credibility and has no higher level education on the subject either. Anyone that listens to him is an idiot. He is not an engineer and in fact never went to trade school or college / university. 
 
Anyway, lets get back to some factual discussion on the topic. 

That's just it... until EVGA actually puts out a statement on it, it's all speculation. Nothing is factual.

SprayingMango

vulcan1978
Card is overpriced to begin with, I wonder if the sub-par voltage controller has anything to do with the high failure rate and PCI-E load balancing problems: 
 
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=268
 
EVGA did manage to save $10 using the older cheaper voltage controller though. Don't worry, you have a nice $1900 before taxes paper-weight with nice lips! 

Wow....so you are an engineer?? You do PCB design for a living? You have proper education and schooling in the subject? Also, buildzoid has ZERO credibility and has no higher level education on the subject either. Anyone that listens to him is an idiot. He is not an engineer and in fact never went to trade school or college / university. 
 
Anyway, lets get back to some factual discussion on the topic. 

Buildzoid has no credibility? Care to back up that statement? No higher education? He seems extremely knowledgeable for someone who doesn't know what they are doing and who works for Gamers Nexus, easily the most reputable review outlet in existence. I'm pretty sure Tech Jesus would have fired him long ago for risk of tarnishing credibility were he the uneducated layman you caricaturize him to be. 
 
I don't know what is causing the widespread PCI-E load balancing issue or the inability for certain 3090's to draw more than 450w with 1kw XOC bios but hey, if they skimped on the voltage controller, where else was their a lack of engineering foresight? 
 
 

zergjoke
How long does it take for them to die. I was thinking about getting a waterblock but it sounds like i should probably hold off slapping one on right away

Mine lasted 54 days

SprayingMango

vulcan1978
Card is overpriced to begin with, I wonder if the sub-par voltage controller has anything to do with the high failure rate and PCI-E load balancing problems: 
 
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=268
 
EVGA did manage to save $10 using the older cheaper voltage controller though. Don't worry, you have a nice $1900 before taxes paper-weight with nice lips! 

Wow....so you are an engineer?? You do PCB design for a living? You have proper education and schooling in the subject? Also, buildzoid has ZERO credibility and has no higher level education on the subject either. Anyone that listens to him is an idiot. He is not an engineer and in fact never went to trade school or college / university. 
 
Anyway, lets get back to some factual discussion on the topic. 

If buildzoid had no credibility, he would not be allowed on Elmor's discord.  Elmor is *the* single most respected engineer left from the old days, and without Elmor, people wouldn't be volt modding their non-Kingpin cards and getting world record runs so easily.  It's because of Elmor that cards like the Strix have solder points for his EV device.

vulcan1978

yaggaz

pat182
im checking many other forums, and yet , nobody with asus or msi talking about failing cards, all evga for now

Challenge accepted! In about two searches that took about 10 seconds each:
 
TUF 3080 Official Update Tool Bricked-Deleted 1/2 BIOS (asus.com)
 
This one has dead cards from Nvidia, Asus and MSI in the thread:
RTX 2080Ti MASSIVELY DIE! | NVIDIA GeForce Forums
 

Challenge completely failed! There is a risk of bricking a card flashing a BIOS, ANY CARD and 2, youre linking to a 2080 Ti thread from a year ago. This is completely different architecture with different sub-components. 
 
Here's your line of reasoning: 
 
"EVGA 3080 / 3090 FTW3's seem to have a high failure rate going by the number of reported problems on the official forum and elsewhere" 
 
You:
 
"Yeah, I found a thread showing Asus 780 Ti's from 10 years ago also having problems!" 
 
"I also found a thread where someone bricked their ASUS card flashing a BIOS!" 
 
FAIL. 
 

Hey Strawman dude with the 780 that nobody talked about, you are only %50 correct, I was wrong on the second link but right on the first.  But I know you have a place where the sun don't shine so feel free to take your negativity and toxicity and shove it as far as you can fit it up there.

SprayingMango

vulcan1978
Card is overpriced to begin with, I wonder if the sub-par voltage controller has anything to do with the high failure rate and PCI-E load balancing problems: 
 
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=268
 
EVGA did manage to save $10 using the older cheaper voltage controller though. Don't worry, you have a nice $1900 before taxes paper-weight with nice lips! 

Wow....so you are an engineer?? You do PCB design for a living? You have proper education and schooling in the subject? Also, buildzoid has ZERO credibility and has no higher level education on the subject either. Anyone that listens to him is an idiot. He is not an engineer and in fact never went to trade school or college / university. 
 
Anyway, lets get back to some factual discussion on the topic. 

Imagine having the level of arrogance to think someone can't be self taught. Are you sure you are allowed to open your tower and install a gpu? Do you have a college degree? What about cooking? Did Gordon Ramsy take you under his wing? Buildzoid could be a pig farmer for all I care. Fact is he knows more than your arrogant ass.

no problems so far with my 3080 Ftw3 Ultra Gaming, everything works perfectly.
 
purchase date: Oct 23, 2020 (85 Days)