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https://segmentnext.com/2...series-graphics-cards/ (These comments are the opinion of the writer of the article) The performance with RTX enabled is far from acceptable. The top of the line RTX 2080 Ti is able to run the game at 1080p 60 FPS with RTX enabled. The performance drops when you turn the resolution up to 1440p. At that point the game is only playable at 30 FPS. This is not the kind of performance that you expect from a $1100 graphics card. The same is the case with the Nvidia RTX 2080, you will only be able to play Battlefield V at 1080p 60 FPS. Moving to 1440p will result in one-third the performance as compared to when RTX is turned off. The RTX 2070 might be the bare minimum requirement for real-time ray tracing according to Nvidia but I think the bar is set very low. The card is unable to run Battlefield V a 1080p 60 FPS when RTX is turned on. This remains to be the case even when RTX is set to low. The RTX 2070 is able to hit 110 FPS with RTX turned off. When RTX is set to ultra the FPS drops to 53 on average and when it is turned down to low, then the average FPS is 32. That is really low performance with RTX on keeping in mind that this is a $500 graphics card. I am sure that no one is going to get a $1100 graphics card and then kill the performance by two-thirds just to have better reflection effects at 1080p 60 FPS. If you are interested in getting a new graphics card then you are better off sticking to Pascal. You should wait for the next-generation graphics cards that are supposed to release in 2020, based on the 7nm process.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 05:14:19
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I think a better way to put it is don't buy them based on RT alone. Since new 1080s are getting really hard to come by and if you are upgrading from an older series, it makes sense to get a 2070 vs a 1060.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 06:17:45
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NVidia announced the Quadro RTX just before they announced the Gaming RTX. Had NVidia used the Quadro RTX to start game development rather than rush the gaming card out, there could have been a fantastic launch.
Instead, NVidia showed their greed and still hasn’t made a few of the Quadro available.
Quadro may not be specifically meant for building games, but I guarantee they could have helped get the games ready if NVidia would have just worked with the developers well ahead of time.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 08:22:57
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I noticed Nvidia stock is down sharply due to the RTX woes generally
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 10:46:45
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Its not even the RTX performance that is unacceptable, its normal performance is as well. Yea sure if you compare 2080 ti to 1080ti, 2080 to 1080, 2070 to 1070, there is a performance boost, but that is ignoring the fact that a 2080 is competing with the 1080ti, not the 1080 price wise. in which the performance in non rtx work loads is the same. That is not what 2 years in computer hardware should bring you. The only thing that improved in its price bracket was the 2080ti beating the titan xp... and it doesnt beat it by enough imo. Im fine with the ray tracing performance in its current state, even with the cheats they are using to make it easier to do, its still more expensive then zbuffering which makes a gpu redraw a scene twice.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 11:31:41
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 12:18:53
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 12:35:42
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veganfanatic I noticed Nvidia stock is down sharply due to the RTX woes generally
Unlikely it had anything to do with RTX woes. Most likely it was due to NVidia flooding the market with 10 series cards. NVidia stated that specifically during their phone call to share holders. When the crypto boom stopped, NVidia expected prices to normalize and old gen cards to go away quick, but they didn’t. NVidia fell short of earnings by a lot. “Moreover, the company issued extremely weak fourth-quarter revenue guidance of $2.70 billion, plus or minus 2%, representing a decline of about 7% year over year. The Street was looking for $3.4 billion, or growth of nearly 17%.”. That caused their stock to plummet, not RTX
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 13:02:07
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Maybe someone has a game that uses DLSS and they want to use it in games they have not yet played and they havent upgraded recently. Article acts as tho everyone has a pascal. Although I will wait until a card launches that can do about 3x what the 2080ti can do considering I have a pascal card.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 13:12:14
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I’d bet a small amount of $$$ that Nvidia starts production of at least the Titan Xp again (exact same processor as 1080 ti but 1 1gb more mem). I have somewhat less faith that they give those chips to partners to make 1080 ti’s.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 13:12:20
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Well back in the day with games like Crysis no one batted an eye when their performance was bad aslong it returned visuals that justified it. But in the current era many people don't easily accept this anymore and we're a bit spoiled. Nvidia's decision to release raytracing in it's current state to the public may have been too early. In several situations like in BF:V you don't even visually notice it much except the gigantic impact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmRbk4dN1U But despite the gigantic impact, without Nvidia's efforts we would be left without any ray-tracing at all or at a much worse performance point. Things are sure to improve in the future but the current few generations are likely not capable enough to handle games with Ultra, high resolution and raytracing together, games also keep getting more demanding. I don't see raytracing as an useless gimmick and it will see more broader use in the future, but right now we gotta row the boat with what we have. Sometimes I feel like it is overdone but it may also be because we're often used to sub-par solutions. In games like Battlefield it will be too distracting.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 13:21:52
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veganfanatic I noticed Nvidia stock is down sharply due to the RTX woes generally
Unlikely it had anything to do with RTX woes. Most likely it was due to NVidia flooding the market with 10 series cards. NVidia stated that specifically during their phone call to share holders.
When the crypto boom stopped, NVidia expected prices to normalize and old gen cards to go away quick, but they didn’t.
NVidia fell short of earnings by a lot.
“Moreover, the company issued extremely weak fourth-quarter revenue guidance of $2.70 billion, plus or minus 2%, representing a decline of about 7% year over year. The Street was looking for $3.4 billion, or growth of nearly 17%.”.
That caused their stock to plummet, not RTX
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 13:26:18
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NVDA is a buy at this price. Bad news already built into price. I’m confident they’ll straighten out the current troubles one way or another.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 14:28:13
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I think it completely forgets about people who might have a 970 or older video card. If you have a series 10 card you probably wouldn't see as much benefit but for someone looking to upgrade the 20 series isn't bad. It mostly focuses on Ray Tracing instead of DLSS which both you don't get with the 10 series. Also doesn't cover the fact that finding a 1080Ti can be harder then finding one of the new cards and if you do you could be paying just as much. For example on the EVGA website you can only get a 1070Ti as the top of the line 10 series card right now as the 1080 is sold out and the 1080Ti isn't even listed anymore.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 14:46:23
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not a good thing to say to people on keplers
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 15:01:44
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Xavier Zepherious not a good thing to say to people on keplers
I think it is a fine thing to say, If they wanted the performance the rtx cards give at a given price point, they would have already gotten it, since outside of the 2080ti, its the same as the outgoing cards.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/18 16:48:30
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Hoggle I think it completely forgets about people who might have a 970 or older video card. If you have a series 10 card you probably wouldn't see as much benefit but for someone looking to upgrade the 20 series isn't bad. It mostly focuses on Ray Tracing instead of DLSS which both you don't get with the 10 series. Also doesn't cover the fact that finding a 1080Ti can be harder then finding one of the new cards and if you do you could be paying just as much. For example on the EVGA website you can only get a 1070Ti as the top of the line 10 series card right now as the 1080 is sold out and the 1080Ti isn't even listed anymore.
My big issues with RTX is it's THICCCCCCCC cooler designs from the 3rd parties making it literally impossible for a lot of builds. I wonder if mini's will ever show up with the 20 series like they did with the 10 series.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/19 16:02:32
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My reasons to skip have little to do with any editorials on the subject, I went from a GTX260 to a GTX1080 Ti, I suppose my next upper max would be RTX90's...
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/19 16:33:08
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lehpron My reasons to skip have little to do with any editorials on the subject, I went from a GTX260 to a GTX1080 Ti, I suppose my next upper max would be RTX90's...
lol 9 year upgrade path I feel ya
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/19 16:34:24
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Doesn't matter when you upgrade, they will release something so "next-gen" 3 hours later.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/19 19:14:20
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I’m going to play “Monday morning qb” and state the obvious. Nvidia should have had a “dual release”. One set of cards for a raw power and performance upgrade using traditional rasterization and a concurrent release of 1 or 2 RTX cards as an option for early adopters. 11 series for the GTX upgrade with raw performance and then a 2000 series for a single RTX halo card. Then tell people up front: “Hey Ray tracing is da bomb, but maybe not for everyone quite yet, and btw... you aren’t going to get the FPS with RTX but you’ll get something visually stunning instead”. Everyone would be far more forgiving than they are now.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/19 19:21:28
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RTX won't be a meaningful option until about 2 or 3 hardware generations from now. It's the same problem VR has. For humor, the new RTX cards even have the new VR port standard in them. By the time headset manufacturers use the port standard the 2000-series will be at least 1 hardware generation older. Hardware hasn't caught up to expectations or needs.
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/23 22:21:01
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Looks like RTX isn't as wonderful as it was hyped to be. My Titan X (Pascal) is still doing a great job (once I got it on water).
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Re: Why You Should Skip Nvidia RTX Series Graphics Cards
2018/11/24 08:40:08
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given i only have a conventional 1920x1080 panel, i can make do with most any video card and with prices softening like mad. I might find some pesos and bid for a maybe a 14nm card or 2
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