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2021/02/05 08:38:37 (permalink)
I see a lot of threads fizzle out here, with excellent replies, and support, however, they seem to go abandond after awhile.
I don't w2anna hear, that x299 is dead, cuz thats bull.  This is Intel's only offering that really supports more then 10 cores.
and offers much more IO then  mainstream so why is it getting less foot traffic?
 
X299 is, and was as popular as X58, and with the 920,  There was an I7 that was mainstream i think 860, 870 but really who
remembered those? X58 was so attention grabbing with triple channel memory, and a slue of boards that were really able to 
push even to  4ghz at the time.  
 
So why isn't people flooding this area of the forums, and attention to X299?  And folks can't really say AMD, although they are doing
ok, but their still about as good as Intel's pentium D lineup.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 08:49:20 (permalink)
    My thoughts... 

    Even in its prime X299 only appealed to a a small portion of the overall market due to its overall cost and use case. I don't believe that we ever saw or will see a flood of posts regarding X299... In addition you have to take into account that EVGA's motherboards for X299 primarily appeal to an even smaller subset of users, so that will also contribute to the lack of posts that you see here. However with all of that being said, I feel that there is a LOT of 'foot traffic' here in regards to X299. I would not say that posts fizzle out either, questions are asked there answered than you move on often times there is just no need to keep the thread going. 

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 09:30:01 (permalink)
    If, x299 favors a small nitch market? then those who do alot of workstation related things, with gaming as the relax time, who are folks
    favoring that has high bandwidth memory, and dozens of cores? and X299 is the only thing favoring that for Intel.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 10:45:08 (permalink)
    People are focused on Ryzen right now. The SR-3 dark doesn't have anywhere near the traffic.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 12:04:35 (permalink)
    I prefer to hear from a viable EVGA engineer on what is really the way to go. You hear alot of folks say: they go the Ryzen route, but
    if that was the case, Kingpin Vince, the boss of the X299 platform would be on that, but he's still on Intel, so i favor an actual engineers
    point of view over a spncered Rich youtuber getting big bucks or lots of free stuff to sell stuff.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 12:17:15 (permalink)
    If you prefer to hear from an engineer, you will need to get to know one of them and ask. This is a user based forum, so expect user based answers.

    X299 was severely over priced from launch, which showed when they lowered the price of the 11980xe to $999 instead of $1999

    Too many enthusiasts realized the Intel didn’t care about performance as much as they did cash grab, and that was especially true when a 12 core was the Max supported CPU before AMD launched, and then Intel quickly announced on stage, unannounced to the add in board partners, that they would make 14, 16, and 18 core models as well.

    Intel screwed up, plan and simple. They were caught with their pants down and panicked rather than refining their product to compete. X299 was never a truly viable option compared to AMD’s similar offerings, especially at the absurd price points.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 16:07:43 (permalink)
    So, this could be why THey said: Intel's HEDP, is dead?  I know Intel has slacked real bad
    in the last few years, but EVGA stills bans behind them, rather then going with AMD.  Intel 
    put alot more into X58 X79 X99 , but why did they screw X299?
     
    As mature as X58 was, it still can give a run for its money on new stuff if you have like: an 990X or 
    X2675.  
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 17:20:45 (permalink)
    Having to use Intel NVMe drives if you wanted to run VROC so you could have a bootable Raid is the X299's biggest drawback. Intel needs to update the bios and drop this stupid requirement on the X299 platform. Then as others mentioned, the price.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 18:16:10 (permalink)
    Wow, that would be a drawback. And as for price, Yes, that would hurt bigtime.  Back in 
    X58, it was very reasonable, i got the X58 SLIX3 Evga, a 920, and a 12 gig kit of Dominator 
    so yea x299 is pricy .
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 18:16:24 (permalink)
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    So, this could be why THey said: Intel's HEDP, is dead?  I know Intel has slacked real bad
    in the last few years, but EVGA stills bans behind them, rather then going with AMD.  Intel 
    put alot more into X58 X79 X99 , but why did they screw X299?
     
    As mature as X58 was, it still can give a run for its money on new stuff if you have like: an 990X or 
    X2675.  


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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/05 19:00:04 (permalink)
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    Wow, that would be a drawback. And as for price, Yes, that would hurt bigtime.  Back in 
    X58, it was very reasonable, i got the X58 SLIX3 Evga, a 920, and a 12 gig kit of Dominator 
    so yea x299 is pricy .


    Oh I love my X299 build, it's fast! I built a AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT system with a Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 NVMe drive and it can't hold a candle to how I have my X299 set up. Going from the X299 to the 3600XT, the speed difference is super noticeable in all aspects. Although I have spent at least quadruple the money on my X299 system.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/06 14:26:06 (permalink)
    I don't know, got the 10980XE, and at 5 ghz all core, nothing is gonna even brush that.  I bury the peg even on an AMD Rig of the recent
    scews.  I am not a fan boy by any meran ,  but really, if you actually sit down and make all the right adjustments to a Cascade Lake X setup,
    sorry, but its gonna keep my satisfied for years to come, like the X58 and 990x i ran for years.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/06 19:57:04 (permalink)
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    I don't know, got the 10980XE, and at 5 ghz all core, nothing is gonna even brush that.  I bury the peg even on an AMD Rig of the recent
    scews.  I am not a fan boy by any meran ,  but really, if you actually sit down and make all the right adjustments to a Cascade Lake X setup,
    sorry, but its gonna keep my satisfied for years to come, like the X58 and 990x i ran for years.




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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/07 01:37:58 (permalink)
    hm interesting
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/07 19:35:41 (permalink)
    Was watching a vid earlier, that Intel has been on the same node since Broadwell E, just minor IPC gaines, and more cores.  I don't see
    Intel doing anything more with X299, maybe unless they can suprise us with a 22 core, at lower temps.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 14:03:08 (permalink)
    This thread has had no replies, since near a month ago, and shows how little X299 attention gets. This platform really is 
    Intels saving grace.  I been rock solid at 5Ghz on 36 threads with no thermal issues , and stability, and spanks anything
    its Mainstream equiviliant offers. so whats up?
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 14:33:20 (permalink)
    It has been shown that x299 would be the HEDT platform for all of 2020. I am guessing we won't see a new HEDT platform till at least Fall or Early 2022. Considering that EVGA is still updating bios etc on this board, what makes you think it gets no attention?
     
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 14:38:59 (permalink)
    Look at the threads, there pretty much a ghost town atim, and this one .  I don't see them doing anything until 2024 or 5, they can milk this one with a 
    22 core soon if they wanna too.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 18:01:03 (permalink)
    I thought I would say hi to you all. I'm the only person I know personally with an x299 motherboard. For what its worth, I'm happy with my decision to go with the platform. It may be over kill for my leisure gaming sessions, but its nice to have when I want to do some video encoding.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 19:10:43 (permalink)
    An AMD rig with almost (but not quite) the same amount of PCIE slots would require me to spend around two times more than what I spent on my X299 FTW K (~$160 in 2018 on sale), my 10940X ($800 in 2020 (took forever to find one at retail)), and 64GB of 3200MHz RAM (~$250). And I need those darn PCIE slots for my add in cards, only one of which I was going to give up with an AMD board that had built in 10GbE (still a downgrade as my 10GbE is a dual port running in failover mode).
     
    IIRC, at the time it was ~$600 for the AMD motherboard (sTRX4), $2000 for the CPU, and I didn't even get to the high end RAM (that must be on the board's QVL or it likely wouldn't work) that'd be needed when I was looking at an upgrade in 2020.
     
    It'd take faster RAM and a whole lot more headache to get it all tweaked and running well for likely no gains for 4K gaming. Not to mention having to disable 1/2 the CPU to get some things to work at all or to work better. It'll take quite a few years for PCIE 4.0 to really be needed unless there is a massive breakthrough in GPU technology, which seems unlikely with how PCIE as a whole has been scaling so far. For those that will say "but NVME drive speeds!" - to them I say: there's no difference in game loading times between a good quality SATA III SSD vs. a decent PCIE 3.0 NVME drive (I tested it), let alone a PCIE 4.0 NVME drive vs a U.2 drive (Micron 9300 Pro 15.3TB that I've got all my games on now).
     
    Also the fact that EVGA doesn't even make AMD motherboards.
     
    But everyone has their own requirements - AMD just didn't meet mine for the price/performance.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 19:52:44 (permalink)
    I figure, i would get at least a good 5 years from this setup..   And if Intel actually gets off 14nm, then a thought of an upgrade would be in the works, but
    for what i do, Gaming, and web stuff, and tinkering around, and even doing some occasional Handbrake runs, I am enjoying the platform i am running now, 
    and to offload some stuff, got a lenovo, Fujitsu 8700 mini, for the everday stuff like surfing, and music stuff,  I am set for a few years to go, and all the AMD
    stuff looks good and that it can beat intel in alot of tests today, Intel x299 when all said and done does 24 7 loads AMD would flake out at,  Not an Intel Fanboy
    but i had the run with AMD boxes over the last 25 years, and their great, but require way to much TLC , even Ryzon CPU"s seem to require TLC, not X299, it 
    runs out of the box, and at 5ghz on 36 threads, why bother?
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 23:17:02 (permalink)
    Glad to see I'm not the only one running the x299. But it definitely doesn't seem to be the most popular.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 23:41:12 (permalink)
    my thoughts personally are Intel has to go down in price your midline CPU in intel is around two hundred to four hundred dollars. then motherboard tends to range from three hundred to five hundred dollars. I bought a motherboard from Asus and for two hundred sixty-nine my CPU was one hundred and ninety-nine dollars. the CPU is 6 cores and 12 logical threads where a mid-range CPU on the intel side only will get 4 cores and 8 logical threads. so that is one thing. my x299 only lasted me 4 months the CPU cost me four hundred dollars. I bought a better CPU with more cores for one hundred and ninety-nine dollars.

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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/21 23:58:53 (permalink)
    I agree. Amd seems to offer more bang for your buck. This is my first build and had no intentions of going with Intel for that very reason. But I got an awesome deal an i9-10940x so I'm rolling with it. What happened to your x299? 4 months.. ouch
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 02:32:31 (permalink)
    I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

    I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

    Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

    So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

    My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

    While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 05:22:50 (permalink)
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    I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

    I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

    Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

    So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

    My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

    While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.
    That sounds very unpleasant. Personally I'm not a fan of something full of unexpected hiccups.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 05:36:04 (permalink)
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    I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

    I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

    Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

    So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

    My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

    While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.

    I cant complain really so far. I won my x299 back in Nov 2019, finally got a cpu and could build it around the same time this year and had to wait for a bios chip to get it working, but its been fantastic so far. Its only been up and running though since the weekend and im still in the middle of disabling windows services, tweaking the registry entries etc.... cause thats usually where most of the failing are. I ran the rig in my sig since they were releaded in 2011/2012 and was going to go Ryzen but since i won this board, the 240 clc and the psu i went with Intel, although i might do a Ryzen too just for the hell of it. Im shopping monitors at the moment, might go with the Acer 34" predator gsync curved but i havent done enough digging and research on it and any others out there. If i start running into unfixable hiccups ill update this for sure though.

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    Gonnagamesoon
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 06:01:41 (permalink)
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    I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

    I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

    Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

    So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

    My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

    While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.

    I cant complain really so far. I won my x299 back in Nov 2019, finally got a cpu and could build it around the same time this year and had to wait for a bios chip to get it working, but its been fantastic so far. Its only been up and running though since the weekend and im still in the middle of disabling windows services, tweaking the registry entries etc.... cause thats usually where most of the failing are. I ran the rig in my sig since they were releaded in 2011/2012 and was going to go Ryzen but since i won this board, the 240 clc and the psu i went with Intel, although i might do a Ryzen too just for the hell of it. Im shopping monitors at the moment, might go with the Acer 34" predator gsync curved but i havent done enough digging and research on it and any others out there. If i start running into unfixable hiccups ill update this for sure though.
    My intent was to build a simple gaming pc. But went the x299 simply because of my luck in getting this cpu. I'm quite new to all of this so I hope I don't run into any issues.
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 13:00:12 (permalink)
    I just went x299 Dark cause of the 10980xe. To me, it's a sick cpu. I also enjoyed the quad channel memory overclocking. I know the bandwidth has diminishing returns, but I feel in some games the minimum fps is higher and more consistent.

    But purely for gaming, I'm sure most know that the mesh clock is a huge limiting factor for high fps gaming. Personally I don't mind because I game at 4k, but that typical 3.2 ghz mesh you get on X-series cpus is quite a bit behind 4.8+ ghz ringbus. This is assuming you overclocked your mesh. Imagine running your skylake-x cpu on stock 2.4ghz mesh. Ouch.

    That's probably why most people didn't go x299. Platform/cpu is more expensive and doesn't perform as well in gaming when you're not limited by thread count. But I look forward to more cpu intensive games in the future where my 36 threads will shine!
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    Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 13:05:09 (permalink)
    When did this mesh thing come out, or become a problem? Seems X99 didn't use Mesh for an HEDT platform? than if so, why would they choke the CPU
    with a weird cache setting? when this wasn't an issue with 5960's, or even 6850 CPU"s which were based on X58 .  
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