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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 13:50:12 (permalink)
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When did this mesh thing come out, or become a problem? Seems X99 didn't use Mesh for an HEDT platform? than if so, why would they choke the CPU
with a weird cache setting? when this wasn't an issue with 5960's, or even 6850 CPU"s which were based on X58 .  


Mesh was never a problem. Mesh is actually the solution for higher core count CPUs. As you increase in core count, ringbus cache becomes less effective and mesh is more efficient. 10-core 10900k is probably the highest core count cpu you'll see with ringbus. While mesh is more efficient with higher core count cpus, the speed is diminished due to the design. This reduction in speed is what limits those that are chasing high fps like 240 or 360hz monitor users. Its not only about core speed, but cache and ram as well.
 
With gaming applications, more than 8 core 16 threads(20 threads with 10900k) isn't really required for you to achieve those high fps numbers so it would make sense to stay on a cpu with a blazing fast ringbus cache paired with high memory overclocks. Makes sense for your typical gamer. You get the fps you want and you don't have to spend as much as you would for a X-series platform.
 
Now if games started having a requirement to have at least 20 threads to achieve high fps or at least scaled past that, then high core count cpus will start to look real nice. For example, the 5950x would do really well, even better than it is right now. But I feel AMD is severely limited by their Infinity Fabric clocks. 2ghz, a shame, but thats another topic...
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 15:00:40 (permalink)
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When did this mesh thing come out, or become a problem? Seems X99 didn't use Mesh for an HEDT platform? than if so, why would they choke the CPU
with a weird cache setting? when this wasn't an issue with 5960's, or even 6850 CPU"s which were based on X58 .  


Mesh was never a problem. Mesh is actually the solution for higher core count CPUs. As you increase in core count, ringbus cache becomes less effective and mesh is more efficient. 10-core 10900k is probably the highest core count cpu you'll see with ringbus. While mesh is more efficient with higher core count cpus, the speed is diminished due to the design.

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What he said. When I first benchmarked my memory I knew I wasn't going to get as high scores as I would with ringbus but I was still bit disappointed when I saw them. However, as I continued testing I realized Intel, it seems, made architecture change with sight on future, in order to be able to scale better. That is when I had to ask myself what matters more to me, high score at lower core counts or better results as applications scale up, and answer was the later. "Low core count" performance is of interest to certain market demographic, others are more interested in total throughput they can get and ability to run "games" at "almost as good" level just adds icing on that cake.
 
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 17:03:30 (permalink)
Yea, but these X chips can do 5ghz, so why does the mesh seem to effect games? its the core speed, and ram, and GPU.  And they used
higher then 10 cores on Broadwell E or 6850, but the Skylake X Chips went to Mesh,  They should of kept things the way they were with X99
or even X58, which beat their counterpart mainstream line.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/22 19:03:19 (permalink)
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Yea, but these X chips can do 5ghz, so why does the mesh seem to effect games? its the core speed, and ram, and GPU.  And they used
higher then 10 cores on Broadwell E or 6850, but the Skylake X Chips went to Mesh,  They should of kept things the way they were with X99
or even X58, which beat their counterpart mainstream line.


Mesh is the architecture of the cache. It has its pros and cons. Same with ring-bus. Cache is important when doing anything with a CPU. Just read what I wrote carefully. I don't know what else I can tell you
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/23 15:51:16 (permalink)
Thanks, yea.   I seen stuff over history how cache effcts OS, Apps, and even games, but even back in the celeron days, cache was the only thing
that was crippled.  So what make the earlier HEDT skus do so well over mainstream? and X299 based X cpu's can't keep up with mainstream? Its
like the tides turned since the I7 920
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 12:35:38 (permalink)
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Yea, but these X chips can do 5ghz, so why does the mesh seem to effect games? its the core speed, and ram, and GPU.  And they used
higher then 10 cores on Broadwell E or 6850, but the Skylake X Chips went to Mesh,  They should of kept things the way they were with X99
or even X58, which beat their counterpart mainstream line.

 
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I seen stuff over history how cache effcts OS, Apps, and even games, but even back in the celeron days, cache was the only thing
that was crippled.  So what make the earlier HEDT skus do so well over mainstream? and X299 based X cpu's can't keep up with mainstream?

 
Once again, it is not as simple as “core speed, and ram, and GPU” that play a role and that’s it. Ringbus/mesh/whatever play a role in final behavior and Intel had to make a tradeoff decision of “performance right now but no scalability and performance bottleneck later” vs. “not highest performance right now but better scalability and performance with no bottleneck down the road”. If you Google you can find number of articles what is mesh really, why Intel went mesh and what are benefits of it future wise.
 
X299 based X CPU’s can’t keep up with mainstream? Only if current games are your only interest. Once again, many of people out there use their systems for different purpose. “Gaming” CPU doesn’t give me number of PCIe lanes I need so from my perspective it is mainstream that can’t keep up with my Cascade Lake-X.
 
... and I don't care how much foot traffic X299 forums get. I didn't buy my system to fiddle with it, obsess over it, and keep talking about it. I bought it to so it can do work I need to throw at it.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 14:06:46 (permalink)
Thats a much better perspective on the platform, and i meet the opposite mainstream couldn't keep up with HEDT.  I came from the old school where 
even X58 smoked anything mainstream from the 920 to 990x, and i use my rig for more than gaming, and having all the threads do help balance work
loads.  I just don't get why Intel takes lesser interest in HEDT, vs before in performace, while AMD wlkas away with t eh crown.  
 
They had a good thing going with X99, they should of just doubled up on that system and they had multi core ringbus based Chips att, it supported
Xeon chips that were 20 cores 40 threads.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 14:18:39 (permalink)
Because I could find no real reason to 'upgrade' from by 6850k that runs all day at 4.5ghz. For me, there's no tangible advantage. I suspect most late model X99 feel the same. I expect we'll see MCM or multiple ring cache variants. At some, point sheer die size becomes the limiting factor in speed in maintaining data coherency and timing across the entire die. Realize how far an electron travels in a billionth of a second... then multiply by five. 
 
BTW, just did a clean install of Windows 10. Cause MSFS 2020 corrupted security descriptors on a junction and no way to repair it. It goes well... until you see ll the bangs in device manager. Holy cow. Used to just get the one for not installing Intel Turbo Boost 3.0. You can't even find the download on the intel site any more.  Had to install the latest intel IME, chipset and manually update the USB drivers. Could be worse... the real issue is the TB of Windows games you cannot restore. Sometimes I hate MS.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 14:20:22 (permalink)
I don't feel that Intel is taking lesser interest in HEDT. They are two different product lines with two different product cycles. Just like with other products (whether it is photography, audio, whatever) when you have "consumer" line vs. "professional" line. Consumers get more frequent update but not advanced features with better specs.
 
AMD walks away with a crown? Depends on who you ask and what criteria they use. For me AMD is not taking the crown. My crown is not measured based on paper specs nor some slight difference in performance, it is based on how less likely I am going to encounter headaches when using something.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 15:15:20 (permalink)
That might be why i am not in a hurry to use AMD, even though they cought up, i feel the less annoying bumps in the road with an Intel chipset, and
CPU.  even in the X2 era with AMD, i had headache after headache with XP and Cool and quiet. 
 
But a well rounded system is what i got now, it games very well, and does all what i need to do.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 15:36:49 (permalink)
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But a well rounded system is what i got now, it games very well, and does all what i need to do.



Then that is the only thing that in the end matters.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/24 17:00:11 (permalink)
I have noticed that alot of youtubers, like Debaur, Jay2cents, Vince EVGA, Buildzoid all use this board Dark X299. Because the very best
vrm, and has the best dashboard in the lineup. and use as their primary workhorse because of its stability, and durability and can contest
better then any board on the planet, as to why i got one, and with a cascade lake x chup fully up to dae, i am set for years.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/25 00:56:38 (permalink)
This thread has made me realize I have a lot to learn.. lol
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/25 01:57:59 (permalink)
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If, x299 favors a small nitch market? then those who do alot of workstation related things, with gaming as the relax time, who are folks
favoring that has high bandwidth memory, and dozens of cores? and X299 is the only thing favoring that for Intel.

Workstation users are running the X299. The C422 offers more memory support and registered ECC and the C621 offers hex channel memory support with more cache per core plus registered ECC. Workstations tend to use Xeons/TRs and ECC memory. With the X299 you are limited to 128GB of ram, the z490 can do that. The C422 setup can do 1TB and the C621 does 2TB. The best chip for the X299 is a i9-10980XE. You can go with the C621 and if you want overclocking there's a chip called W-3175X which is not even the most expensive chip that works with a beefy C621. In General with the C621 platform there are over 50 Cascade Lake cpus to pick from if you pick one of the three boards that support the W-3175X they can run all those chips. There's maybe what 10 options for the X299? It can't run the 2066 Xeon CPUs either. Be careful when you throw around the workstation word for a system that is mostly just for gamers(the x299). The workstation system can game while working.
 
 
 
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I have noticed that alot of youtubers, like Debaur, Jay2cents, Vince EVGA, Buildzoid all use this board Dark X299. Because the very best
vrm, and has the best dashboard in the lineup. and use as their primary workhorse because of its stability, and durability and can contest
better then any board on the planet, as to why i got one, and with a cascade lake x chup fully up to dae, i am set for years.


You might want to take into account that they are concerned 3dmark in a lot of their use cases and the dark x299 probably gives them the best numbers. I personally don't run 3dmark and I really haven't in a long time. PCI-E 5.0 will be out in 2022 and I bet you will be upgrading. ;D
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/25 15:34:07 (permalink)
Why do these guys have a hardon for 3dmark so much? its a test, not real life workloads.  It must be a dick neasuring thing with these
guys.  I use it for the stability, not the 3dmark scoreboard.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/26 09:02:10 (permalink)
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Why do these guys have a hardon for 3dmark so much? its a test, not real life workloads.  It must be a dick neasuring thing with these
guys.  I use it for the stability, not the 3dmark scoreboard.




Because they enjoy pushing hardware to the limits for that score.  10yrs ago I knew a guy who dumped $5,000+ every time Alienware put out a new high end laptop to pretty much only benchmark it and then dump it on ebay...
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/26 15:28:02 (permalink)
What a mental ilness.  Just to peeze Ebay, and get a score. like its a measuring contest.  Wow, i didn't buy 12 grand in hardware to
score in portroyal, who it was made by some youtubers:  Joker Productions, and Steve Gamers Nexus.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/26 17:15:51 (permalink)
Woah, guys, its Vince's job to overclock the x299 and get records everywhere he can. The youtubers do battle royale type overclocking contests with people like Vince to make content for there streams etc... and the x299 with its purely excellent vrm construction and really pretty much overkill throughout the pcb makes it one of the very few to reach new records with. So essentially, they use it for work. 

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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/26 17:23:30 (permalink)
Thats why i bought the Dark, due its real strong vrm status, and well built pcb.  I used the X58 X3 back then , and was the board folks
were making the one that was contested against.  and with a high core count cpu, and the board, i can't complain.  
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/26 19:13:26 (permalink)
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What a mental ilness.  Just to peeze Ebay, and get a score. like its a measuring contest.  Wow, i didn't buy 12 grand in hardware to
score in portroyal, who it was made by some youtubers:  Joker Productions, and Steve Gamers Nexus.


Benchmarking is a hobby like spending 2K to get another 1% horsepower.  Why do we need to know you spent 12K? Seems like a lot for marginal gain over X99. Folks do things for all sorts of reasons.
I have 4KW RMS in my living room. Not so that I can necessarily do ear bleed loudness,  it's that you need huge amounts of power to truly replicate the low end and the air mass you need to move. Currently running 3 15" on each side for the bass , 12's for mid bass and my own custom mid-range and tweeter cabs. Can't say how much I've spent. Most of it you can't buy. I built my own cabs and crossovers. You can't buy ones that handle 2KW RMS. You should see the low pass inductors I've melted, about fist sized.

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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 14:14:44 (permalink)
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With the X299 you are limited to 128GB of ram, the z490 can do that.



X299 can do 256GB, not 128, and you can actually populate mb with 256 GB using 8 slots at 32GB each. When it comes to Z490 on paper it supports 256GB total but that would require 64GB per each slot and there are no 64GB modules on the market, correct?
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 17:37:30 (permalink)
I have 4KW RMS in my living room. Not so that I can necessarily do ear bleed loudness,  it's that you need huge amounts of power to truly replicate the low end and the air mass you need to move. Currently running 3 15" on each side for the bass , 12's for mid bass and my own custom mid-range and tweeter cabs. Can't say how much I've spent. Most of it you can't buy. I built my own cabs and crossovers. You can't buy ones that handle 2KW RMS. You should see the low pass inductors I've melted, about fist sized.
 
Love audio, and home cinema.  Got a pair of 12's 600rms each, and a Denon 150W per channel with updated 4k processor board. Does what it needs to do on a 9 channel system.  Thats like the PC build, its stable and does what it supose to do for years to come, and 36 threads is very unlikely replaceable anytime soon.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 19:22:49 (permalink)
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With the X299 you are limited to 128GB of ram, the z490 can do that.



X299 can do 256GB, not 128, and you can actually populate mb with 256 GB using 8 slots at 32GB each. When it comes to Z490 on paper it supports 256GB total but that would require 64GB per each slot and there are no 64GB modules on the market, correct?
 


Yes there are 64GB, 128GB, and 256GB sticks... We are both wrong somone has gotten 1TB of ram to work probably with a bios hack as the memory controller is on the CPU and not the motherboard.
 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/1tb-ram-x299-motherboard-overclocker-asrock
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To achieve this feat, Shih paired an Intel Core i9-7900X with eight SK Hynix 128GB LRDIMM (load-reduced DIMM) modules. This is quite fascinating, considering we were told that the X299 chipset doesn't support EEC (error-correcting code) memory, much less LRDIMMs. It's unknown what kind of magic Shih had to use to get the aforementioned memory to work on the ASRock X299 Taichi CLX.





dmann304  Thats like the PC build, its stable and does what it supose to do for years to come, and 36 threads is very unlikely replaceable anytime soon.


 
36 threads is rather low thread count theses days. Look up cinebench videos on youtube
 
example 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzT6P6cVmAs
 
example 2 old xeon E5 v2: Xeon E5-2696 V2 24 Cores/48 Threads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8KbnHUZY4
 
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 19:29:56 (permalink)
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Yes there are 64GB, 128GB, and 256GB sticks...



Where -exactly- could one purchase 64GB sticks that are validated to work with X299 or Z490?
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 20:53:17 (permalink)
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Yes there are 64GB, 128GB, and 256GB sticks...



Where -exactly- could one purchase 64GB sticks that are validated to work with X299 or Z490?




Validation honestly doesn't mean much and you won't find anything validated for the x299. The best you can hope for is 8x 32GB for 256GB on X299 validated.  Higher capacity dimms tend come out much later after manufacturers release their motherboards and it costs memory to validate dimms, and continued testing it just not done. There are no unbuffered DDR4 64GB Dimms right now by the popular brands. DDR3 had the same kind of problem until DDR4 was released, and DDR5 is just around the corner. What you can do is find is try a brand that has the most success across manufacturers and buy the higher capacity unbuffered dimms when they are released down the road. It's not something I recommend for to do because the time those desktop dimms come out the system is beat by the next generation platform that has the higher dimm support. When you find the higher capacity memory, they will not come in the overclocking speeds you are used to seeing. If you want 64GB dimms for the x299 today you would have to get in touch with Shih in that Tom's article and ask him how he made LRdimms work, most likely a bios hack. Remember Intel has the C422 which is basically the X299 platform with registered and LRDimm memory support. AMD does the same thing with their threadripper platform. The SR-3 dark exists for a reason. 
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/27 21:06:57 (permalink)
safan80... There are no unbuffered DDR4 64GB Dimms right now by the popular brands. ...

 
In other words: Regardless of what you say regular person can't at the moment populate Z490 platform with more than 128GB, especially not validated one (and it is unlikely they ever will be considering DDR5 is around the corner so manufacturers have no incentive to create something that will be short lived product with small market), while X299 can be populated with 256GB of validated memory without any issues.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/28 15:14:42 (permalink)
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I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.

I cant complain really so far. I won my x299 back in Nov 2019, finally got a cpu and could build it around the same time this year and had to wait for a bios chip to get it working, but its been fantastic so far. Its only been up and running though since the weekend and im still in the middle of disabling windows services, tweaking the registry entries etc.... cause thats usually where most of the failing are. I ran the rig in my sig since they were releaded in 2011/2012 and was going to go Ryzen but since i won this board, the 240 clc and the psu i went with Intel, although i might do a Ryzen too just for the hell of it. Im shopping monitors at the moment, might go with the Acer 34" predator gsync curved but i havent done enough digging and research on it and any others out there. If i start running into unfixable hiccups ill update this for sure though.


I mean I’m probably overly critical and it’s largely trivial stuff, network or USB oddities, just stuff a lot of people wouldn’t want to mess with. The last round, apparently caused by the windows update, did something to the network adapters, causing a timeout and a hang, or a reboot until I shut off reboot in the error logging. It’s not unfixable stuff, it’s just stuff that seems outside the mainstream. Most people expect the thing to be up and running without hiccups. To me it just seems to take it into the realm of tinkering instead of a work machine. I don’t personally care but I can see why it wouldn’t help lead to mainstream acceptance. My one threadripper right I can’t even recall the last time I had any sort of issue at all, and I run a nu audio in that too as well as a rather unconventional Fusion IO 6,4tb pcie SSD.

I think the thing is if you’re building a true workstation it’s not really what you want (tinkering). I’m not saying it’s bad, It just seems more quirky. Then you start adding expense, unless you score a deal on motherboard. I mean for gaming, home tinkerers its fine. If people like Jay, Linus or whoever are using them they have the experience to easily tackle an issue they won’t care. I mean I’ve been tinkering with computers since Linus was a kid, it’s not that I personally care either. It’s just from my perspective, I can see reasons why x299 isn’t as widely adopted.

If you’re up to tweaking things like the registry and window services, it’s all minor hiccups you won’t have an issue other than some occasional quirks which leave you baffled (more as to why than how to fix them).

I’ve not built a regular Ryzen, I run two 10th gen intels (i5 10400, i3 10300) , two threadripper’s (1950x and 1920x) and this i9-9820x. Since I have a 2970wx on the way I’m gonna build another Threadripper for my stepson who’s still on an i7-2600 with one of my old chips.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/02/28 17:29:09 (permalink)
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I have two threadrippers and built one of these x299s on the FTW K when they were like $85 over Labor Day weekend with a 9820x I got a good deal on.

I used nice solid 850w psu, originally hoping for a 3090 or something. I bought a b stock 980ti as a placeholder, it was defective EVGA eventually replaced with a 1070ti which has been great (once again a thanks to them for getting me up and running!). I used one of those WD SN730 oem black drives as a boot drive, and a Team 1tb as a storage drive for games. Put in 64gb of Gskill ram. Used a 240mm AIO with nice EK fans. It’s all nice solid should be good and stable. Overclocked nicely I kept the temps low to run under full load. Later grabbed a B stock Nu Audio (even though the onboard sound is really plenty good).

Sounds like a great system right? It runs great like 95% of the time. Fast as you could want outside of the video card perhaps, great temps. But it seems plagued by weird trivial stuff. Inexplicably the USB ports just don’t work at boot, fan speeds don’t match settings. It always seems to boil down to minor driver issues. Case in point tonight windows updates upon reboot CPU temp is higher under load, after much messing around it somehow reset my fan settings. Fix that, get the USB keyboard error. Fix that half an hour wasted.

So my Z490 media PC build has gone through the same updates and the worst to come of any of it was a hang on reboot audio driver issue.

My Threadrippers? Hardly a hiccup.

While it fundamentally seems great on paper it just doesn’t seem to deliver what you’d think as consistently. To me it seems like a tinkering system more so than a workstation.

I cant complain really so far. I won my x299 back in Nov 2019, finally got a cpu and could build it around the same time this year and had to wait for a bios chip to get it working, but its been fantastic so far. Its only been up and running though since the weekend and im still in the middle of disabling windows services, tweaking the registry entries etc.... cause thats usually where most of the failing are. I ran the rig in my sig since they were releaded in 2011/2012 and was going to go Ryzen but since i won this board, the 240 clc and the psu i went with Intel, although i might do a Ryzen too just for the hell of it. Im shopping monitors at the moment, might go with the Acer 34" predator gsync curved but i havent done enough digging and research on it and any others out there. If i start running into unfixable hiccups ill update this for sure though.


I mean I’m probably overly critical and it’s largely trivial stuff, network or USB oddities, just stuff a lot of people wouldn’t want to mess with. The last round, apparently caused by the windows update, did something to the network adapters, causing a timeout and a hang, or a reboot until I shut off reboot in the error logging. It’s not unfixable stuff, it’s just stuff that seems outside the mainstream. Most people expect the thing to be up and running without hiccups. To me it just seems to take it into the realm of tinkering instead of a work machine. I don’t personally care but I can see why it wouldn’t help lead to mainstream acceptance. My one threadripper right I can’t even recall the last time I had any sort of issue at all, and I run a nu audio in that too as well as a rather unconventional Fusion IO 6,4tb pcie SSD.

I think the thing is if you’re building a true workstation it’s not really what you want (tinkering). I’m not saying it’s bad, It just seems more quirky. Then you start adding expense, unless you score a deal on motherboard. I mean for gaming, home tinkerers its fine. If people like Jay, Linus or whoever are using them they have the experience to easily tackle an issue they won’t care. I mean I’ve been tinkering with computers since Linus was a kid, it’s not that I personally care either. It’s just from my perspective, I can see reasons why x299 isn’t as widely adopted.

If you’re up to tweaking things like the registry and window services, it’s all minor hiccups you won’t have an issue other than some occasional quirks which leave you baffled (more as to why than how to fix them).

I’ve not built a regular Ryzen, I run two 10th gen intels (i5 10400, i3 10300) , two threadripper’s (1950x and 1920x) and this i9-9820x. Since I have a 2970wx on the way I’m gonna build another Threadripper for my stepson who’s still on an i7-2600 with one of my old chips.



If that will help you: I too experienced USB port issues until I disabled USB power management in power plan and device manager. This seems to be Windows triggered, not hardware caused. ... and speaking of USB port issues Google for recent issues with AMD losing USB ports.
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/03/02 10:00:32 (permalink)
So I have the Asus Rampage VI Extreme was running the i7-7820X running at 4.5 with 32Gb ram things always been fast. So I just picked up The i9-10920X couple months ago finally put it togather and OMG I have not overlocked yet and it's way faster than my i7-7820x and its a beast with the 3090 FTW in there.
 
Also picked I up the FTW-k couple months ago when it was on sale and going to put the 7820x in there and run it for my kids system. I have always loved the HEDT since the X58, I have had that and X99 and yeah I know there more expensive but I dunno my work computer is an I7-9900k 5k 1151 and it always seems slower than the x299 to me.

   
   
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Re: Why X299 Gets low foot traffic. 2021/03/05 14:27:06 (permalink)
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I don't know, got the 10980XE, and at 5 ghz all core, nothing is gonna even brush that.  I bury the peg even on an AMD Rig of the recent
scews.  I am not a fan boy by any meran ,  but really, if you actually sit down and make all the right adjustments to a Cascade Lake X setup,
sorry, but its gonna keep my satisfied for years to come, like the X58 and 990x i ran for years.




Would you mind sharing your settings? I just got a Dark and 10980XE system built last night. I tried some benchmarks to see how it performs at stock levels and already hit the current limit.
 
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