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Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra

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2021/01/22 09:58:16 (permalink)
Recently acquired a 3090FE through BestBuy at MSRP. I already have a 3090FTW3 Ultra since last September. The FTW3 ultra is nice but I still have occasional black screen issues (first batch of card). Since all the 3090 perform more or less the same, should I keep the 3090FE or the FTW3 Ultra?
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    RickJamesBish
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 10:43:51 (permalink)
    Get some of the money back if you can. The 3090 price / performance ratio is already bad. You will be just as well off with the FE along a little cash back in your pocket. Also if you do it now you can still get a premium for the  FTW3 Ultra. 
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 10:56:09 (permalink)
    I agree, seems to be much less problems with the FE cards.




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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:12:37 (permalink)
    Fe for sure. The ftw3 ultra too unreliable.
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:26:11 (permalink)
    Do you guys know whether the FTW3 Ultra has transferable warranty? I purchased extended warranty for it.
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:29:06 (permalink)
    The extended warranty is not transferable, but the base warranty is.

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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:33:56 (permalink)
    I was in the same boat as you a couple of weeks ago but sold the FE to a friend.  Tried to get another today and if I had gotten one, I would have kept it and sold my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.  It's not worth $300 more.

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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:36:50 (permalink)
    The FTW3 Ultra has been kinda finicky. I had the black screen shutting down problem when I first got it. I changed out my PSU and it occurs a lot less often. Then there is the random black screen problem for no reason. It would black screen and then come back normal. Besides that there is the problem with the 500Watt BIOS which never use that much
     
    Never had this much trouble with the 2080Ti from EVGA. Looks like selling the FTW3 Ultra might be the option to go.
     
    Thanks guys!
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:38:25 (permalink)
    Funny how question(s) are asked and I'm not only referring to this thread, but even on different forums and most of the answers are not even related.
    If I were you I would get rid of FTW3 and keep FE. You already have small issues and as time goes by it might be more and you going to be recirculating through RMA's who knows how many times.
    I haven't heard too many issues with FE at least not as many as with FTW3 and as far is overclocking, not much of a difference, that’s my opinion.
     
     
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:41:02 (permalink)
    FE - since it's the best power design from the board maker . IMHO

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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:47:47 (permalink)
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    Fe for sure. The ftw3 ultra too unreliable.

    too unreliable? what are you talking about? Mine has been rock solid....

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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 11:52:09 (permalink)
    No issues for me as well with 3090 FTW 3 ultra and seen plenty of dead FE complaints in internet as well with horrible RMA flow


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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 12:02:10 (permalink)
    No issues with my 3090 FTW 3 Ultra, running solid in games at 2100+Mhz with the 500w bios.
     
    I think folks with issues have thermal problems, could be poor case airflow.  I run an open test bench and have a 2 fans pointed at the backplate. Some may say well those are mods to make it stable but everyone knows that the backplate on the 3090 isn't enough to cool the memory on the back so may as well do something about it.  Performance is better and I would like to think the card is less likely to crap out too.
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 16:38:13 (permalink)
    The first ftw3 I had crashed every 10-30 mins, temps maxed out at 73 while gaming so no issues there. Waiting on my rma to come in saturday and see how it goes.
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 16:47:11 (permalink)
    ftw3 pcb is very downgraded in terms of power filtering and has messed up power balancing that jacobF keeps denying
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM
     
     
     
    this information regarding the messed up power balancing obtained from GG discord where EVGA can't censor us
     
    IF THIS POST IS EDITED / DELETED IT MEANS DENIAL BY CENSORSHIP
     
     
     
     
     
    No other bios helps since they all have the same pci-slot power limit.
     
    I dont think they can, Since the cards are hitting 78W on the slot and 121W on the plugs.
     
    Messed up big time using analog drivers on it so cant change the balance without changing resistors. All the high leakage FTW not reaching 500W because they hit the slot draw limit first.
     
    You can look in the bios editor and theres a power limit for each input. With digital vrm drivers they can make it pull more power from the other plugs once 1 input hits its limit. Analog ones you cant since the resistor config is only set once at factory which defines how much power is draw from each input.
     
    I couldnt work out what the exact split is between inputs. But as a example. on a 2 plug card you'd have 28% power from slot and 36% from each plug.
     
    On a analog vrm driver. That balance is set in stone with the resistor config, On a digital one its controlled over the i2c and feedback.
     
    So you get a card that has a high leakage in the SM of the die. its going to pull more power over the slot than a low leakage one. So it hits that slot power limit and cant re-balance it self for more power from plugs.
     
    Then you never reach the total board power limit.
     
    The bios is 78/144/144 But in real usage the card hits 78/121/121
     
    1kw bios has 98W slot limit. so 20W higher slot power, roughly 20% 500W BIOS is what? 78/140/140/140 so on XOC BIOS if 78 can go up 20%, then 140 can too? 140 x 1.2 = 168 x 3 = 504 + 98W = 600W~~
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/22 17:47:12 (permalink)
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     ftw3 pcb is very downgraded in terms of power filtering and has messed up power balancing that jacobF keeps denying
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM
     
     
     
    this information regarding the messed up power balancing obtained from GG discord where EVGA can't censor us
     
    No other bios helps since they all have the same pci-slot power limit.
     
    I dont think they can, Since the cards are hitting 78W on the slot and 121W on the plugs.
     
    Messed up big time using analog drivers on it so cant change the balance without changing resistors. All the high leakage FTW not reaching 500W because they hit the slot draw limit first.
     
    You can look in the bios editor and theres a power limit for each input. With digital vrm drivers they can make it pull more power from the other plugs once 1 input hits its limit. Analog ones you cant since the resistor config is only set once at factory which defines how much power is draw from each input.
     
    I couldnt work out what the exact split is between inputs. But as a example. on a 2 plug card you'd have 28% power from slot and 36% from each plug.
     
    On a analog vrm driver. That balance is set in stone with the resistor config, On a digital one its controlled over the i2c and feedback.
     
    So you get a card that has a high leakage in the SM of the die. its going to pull more power over the slot than a low leakage one. So it hits that slot power limit and cant re-balance it self for more power from plugs.
     
    Then you never reach the total board power limit.
     
    The bios is 78/144/144 But in real usage the card hits 78/121/121
     
    1kw bios has 98W slot limit. so 20W higher slot power, roughly 20% 500W BIOS is what? 78/140/140/140 so on XOC BIOS if 78 can go up 20%, then 140 can too? 140 x 1.2 = 168 x 3 = 504 + 98W = 600W~~
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/24 09:11:15 (permalink)
    choose the one you like
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/24 09:31:10 (permalink)
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    Recently acquired a 3090FE through BestBuy at MSRP. I already have a 3090FTW3 Ultra since last September. The FTW3 ultra is nice but I still have occasional black screen issues (first batch of card). Since all the 3090 perform more or less the same, should I keep the 3090FE or the FTW3 Ultra?


    If the performance is more or less the same, it's all down to the aesthetic. Which one please your eyes?
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    Re: Which 3090 to keep? FE or FTW3 Ultra 2021/01/24 09:36:31 (permalink)
    RickJamesBish
    Get some of the money back if you can. The 3090 price / performance ratio is already bad. You will be just as well off with the FE along a little cash back in your pocket. Also if you do it now you can still get a premium for the  FTW3 Ultra. 




    I don't think it's up to you what people buy...but thanks..
     
     
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    Fe for sure. The ftw3 ultra too unreliable.

    too unreliable? what are you talking about? Mine has been rock solid....




    Same.
     
    They're using anecdotal evidence of a very small minority of cards to validate their opinion.
     

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