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2020/04/04 11:15:10 (permalink)
The reason I ask is I have two Intel based computers, folding 24/7 basic auto settings running Windows 10 display drivers.
1 computer has 2x EVGA RTX 2060 XC Ultra Gaming
the other computer has 2 different gpu's
1x EVGA RTX 2060 XC Ultra Gaming (Pcie 1 slot)
1x Asus ROG-STRIX-RTX2060-O6G (in the 3rd Pcie slot)
 
The computer with the ROG card consistently shows 200,000 more ppd, in the FAH advanced control...??
Any idea why that would be?
 
Both computers running Precision and AI Suite 3
Both i7 computers
I eventually will be combining Two ROG cards in the computer that is producing less PPD but I was just curious if anyone had any insight.



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:27:49 (permalink)
    All WU are different ... so it is normal to see sometimes large variation
     
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:37:48 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    All WU are different ... so it is normal to see sometimes large variation
     
    Next is the GPU OC & PCIe bus



    Hi Cool Gtx
    This Rog card is FAT and not in a good way...lol
    I only bought it because it was $60cdn cheaper when I was buying the EVGA's
    Didn't realize it was so long.. 3 fans..fat(2.5 slots)
    Whatever computer it is in it boost the est by 200,000+
    I just ordered another ROG
    Cool Gtx...they are running the same OC auto settings without oem drivers
    The ROG is in the 3rd Pcie...
    Mhz gpu settings the same
    It is is mystery
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 11:45:48



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:45:34 (permalink)
    Have you been monitoring the temps between cards?
     


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:48:23 (permalink)
    STR1D3R_2
    Have you been monitoring the temps between cards?
     


    yep...
    All fans set to aggressive with Precision...
    High 50c or low to mid 60c
    pci 1 is 60c and pci 2 or 3 is 55ishc
    sometimes lower never higher
    Mem gpu identical..6801mhz
    Gpu Mhz identical..1920-1935mhz
     
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 14:00:06



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:52:09 (permalink)
    Then it just comes down to luck of which gpu gets which work unit and how fast the upload and download with the servers being wonky right now. I think CoolGTX hit the nail on the head.


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:54:54 (permalink)
    Well Hybrid seems to always be luckier Jayrock...lol
    Current ppd est on Hybrid 2,684,400ish
    Current ppd est on Folder 2,234,595ish
     
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 11:58:44



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 11:56:57 (permalink)
    Keep that hybrid fed then!!!


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 12:01:53 (permalink)
    Jayrock
    Keep that hybrid fed then!!!


     

    Actually Hybrid will have 3 EVGA 2060 xc Ultra's and Folder will have 2 Rog 2060's
    Slot and separation distance will dictate
    Hybrid is a 4 slot WS pro board
    Folder is a 2 slot Prime Z270
    Going down to check their bios settings and have to shut them down for a bit
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 12:04:23



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 12:19:38 (permalink)
    Awesome. Sounds like the path I'm on for the moment... adding up a bunch of 2060's. Keep on ripping!


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 12:45:40 (permalink)
    I HAD planned on buying another EVGA 2060 XC Ultra Gaming, partially with the my Evga bucks, but the Rog is producin...
    Probably grab a Gold PSU with the Bucks instead
    My third upcoming build might be based on cheaper cards if I can figure out what makes for a better producer...
    I saw a mining board with a bunch of pci slots (1x thou) and it was less than $90 cdn but I am a long way from that build for the moment.
    ProDigit had an open air mining rig in his post but I am one for keeping the dust out...lol
    Maybe a see through case for dusty environments...hmmm
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 18:09:00



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 13:08:23 (permalink)
    I have a tempered glass case. I used to run an open bench back in the early days so I could dry ice and water cool / chill. I like seeing what I built, LEDs or not. Dust can be dealt with. As I grow my folding, I'll move back to something open-air.
     
    Do you. There is nothing wrong with admiring your creations!


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 13:30:16 (permalink)
    Jayrock
    I have a tempered glass case. I used to run an open bench back in the early days so I could dry ice and water cool / chill. I like seeing what I built, LEDs or not. Dust can be dealt with. As I grow my folding, I'll move back to something open-air.
     
    Do you. There is nothing wrong with admiring your creations!



    I am building using Haf Evo's square cases, ease of access is very important to me.
    Once complete I will be installing them in older LARGE Tower Cases I wasn't using anymore.
    None of them have viewing doors but they do have lots of fans...
    Which I guess could be lit up...lol
    I have just started to experiment with the idea of having a box on display.
    Sooo..not...not yet but possibly
    My cable management has been terrible
    (non existent cause I was lucky to have gotten it connected...lol)
    I have a HUGH manual dexterity issue
     
    Oh Jayrock I have seen some really great creations so I do agree with you on showing them off
     
     
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 17:54:18 (permalink)
    In Bios when you turn on XMP you have some options
     
    So on the Ez mode it is a field disabled or profile 1 and then it asks Intel or manual by profile or something like that.
    If you are in Advanced it has auto manual disabled.
    I switched on and have Intel control it through the profile...
    Are there better options for a uninformed and dangerous character that might be lurking with the Big Dogs these days?
    I have just read this ...
    https://www.adata.com/upload/faq/EN-XMP.pdf
    wasn't allot of help...kinda repeated what I already knew or guessed...lol..
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/04 18:45:38



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/04 21:52:14 (permalink)
    My open air rig has a box fan supplying akrflow, with a hepa filter on the back.
    The dust on my rig is minimal after 1 year, and believe it or not, all it takes is unplugging, flushing the board with water and toothbrush (10 minute job), and allow it to dry (hairdryer), and it's ready to go for another year.
    I don't keep my rigs for longer than 2 years. Technology catches up, and there's a need to run more efficient hardware.
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 01:32:32 (permalink)
    ProDigit
    My open air rig has a box fan supplying akrflow, with a hepa filter on the back.
    The dust on my rig is minimal after 1 year, and believe it or not, all it takes is unplugging, flushing the board with water and toothbrush (10 minute job), and allow it to dry (hairdryer), and it's ready to go for another year.
    I don't keep my rigs for longer than 2 years. Technology catches up, and there's a need to run more efficient hardware.


    WoW
    I always find it hard to get the dust out of all the little crevises so I try and keep it from getting in.
    Oh here is a update on the difference between the EVGA RTX 2060 XC Ultra and the ROG Strix 2060 OC...the OC has a p and q mode for the fan profile. Performance or Quiet Switch. Now everything I have read says that all it does is increase the fan speed so they don't stop when at idle.
    Supposed to be "DUAL BIOS" switch for performance and it is supposed to change fan profile.
    Ok so I switched it to q mode. Changed the bios for XMP on the other computer and changed nothing else on the Hybrid machine. Hybrid's performance went down and matched Folder...no crap...really.
    I went down at 11:30 and switched it back rebooted. Same settings except fans won't stop and the PPD went back up....LOL
    I found the difference...



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 02:40:11 (permalink)
    It's pretty safe to say that 200,000 point difference is going to be more about the WU then about anything in your system for a 2060.

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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 11:51:37 (permalink)
    ProDigit had an open air mining rig in his post but I am one for keeping the dust out...lol

     
    @SmookinJoe, do you have a link? Curious what the setup i s.
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 11:58:51 (permalink)
    Hoggle
    It's pretty safe to say that 200,000 point difference is going to be more about the WU then about anything in your system for a 2060.


    This morning Folder is displaying just over 2 mil PPD (2 evga 2060 xc i7 7700K)
    Hybrid is displaying  2.3 mil PPD (evga 2060 xc + Rog Strix 2060 oc i7 9700K)
    Hoggle I will agree that ppd being displayed at any one time is based on each WU
    BUT...Hybrid consistently is in the higher range over 75-90%  of the time.
     
    Precision is showing identical Mhz etc for each card...
     
    I will be replacing the EVGA 2060's in Folder with my Rog's and installing all my (3) EVGA 2060's in Hybrid.
    The new Rog should be in the end of the week..
     
     
    post edited by SmookinJoe - 2020/04/05 12:00:54



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 13:22:10 (permalink)
    I just stopped by to see who's actively folding because our team (EVGA) is folding at a much lower rate than some tech youtuber social media who mobilized his entire legion of followers (and pockets to build 6X Quadro folders). Just want to say thank you to those on this thread for actively folding, and constantly looking for ways to improve your PPD.

     

     
     
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 13:47:02 (permalink)
    GTS81
    I just stopped by to see who's actively folding because our team (EVGA) is folding at a much lower rate than some tech youtuber social media who mobilized his entire legion of followers (and pockets to build 6X Quadro folders). Just want to say thank you to those on this thread for actively folding, and constantly looking for ways to improve your PPD.

    Me as well 


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 17:42:15 (permalink)
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    ProDigit had an open air mining rig in his post but I am one for keeping the dust out...lol

     
    @SmookinJoe, do you have a link? Curious what the setup i s.


    First link is entire Post  and the second link is in the first paragraph ...$35 mining rack under his parts he listed...it's $89 now
    https://forums.evga.com/H...ld-I-get-m2927907.aspx
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 17:46:46 (permalink)
    ProDigit
    ...
    I don't keep my rigs for longer than 2 years. Technology catches up, and there's a need to run more efficient hardware.


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 18:41:17 (permalink)
    You can get those on fleabay dirt cheap. I have a few with drawer slides for the mobo, psu and cpu cooler. Paid in the range of 12.50 to 25 bucks brand new in box but on auction.


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 20:01:01 (permalink)
    STR1D3R_2
    You can get those on fleabay dirt cheap. I have a few with drawer slides for the mobo, psu and cpu cooler. Paid in the range of 12.50 to 25 bucks brand new in box but on auction.


    Now something like that might look cool on display...Jayrock



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 22:15:27 (permalink)
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    You can get those on fleabay dirt cheap. I have a few with drawer slides for the mobo, psu and cpu cooler. Paid in the range of 12.50 to 25 bucks brand new in box but on auction.


    Now something like that might look cool on display...Jayrock




    Yeah. PD has been nice enough to talk to me about open racks via PM. I hadn't seen the thread. Gonna wait to see how bad my heat issues are as I go, even though $36 for that rack might just be worth the tinkering fun. Apparently I'd have to rig up a way to hold up any non-ref card.


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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/05 22:25:53 (permalink)
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    You can get those on fleabay dirt cheap. I have a few with drawer slides for the mobo, psu and cpu cooler. Paid in the range of 12.50 to 25 bucks brand new in box but on auction.


    Now something like that might look cool on display...Jayrock




    Yeah. PD has been nice enough to talk to me about open racks via PM. I hadn't seen the thread. Gonna wait to see how bad my heat issues are as I go, even though $36 for that rack might just be worth the tinkering fun. Apparently I'd have to rig up a way to hold up any non-ref card.


    It isn't $36.... more like $89
    I'll have to google non-ref card...lol
    I can guess but not sure.
    Amazon had it for both $36 and $89
    Good Luck
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/06 18:16:27 (permalink)
    Jayrock
     Apparently I'd have to rig up a way to hold up any non-ref card.


    Wood strips
    Saw a video years ago and just rip a 2x4 and make strips of wood. Need a radial arm or table saw...everyone has one of those in my world...lol
    Easy
    or you can buy them at Home depot already ripped..cedar if you like...lol
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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/07 10:49:04 (permalink)
    The Hybird with the Rog in it is pretty much always in the lead for PPD.
    Huge card thou...



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    Re: What makes the difference between two similar Nvidia GPU's in PPD production 2020/04/09 02:24:04 (permalink)
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    ProDigit had an open air mining rig in his post but I am one for keeping the dust out...lol

     
    @SmookinJoe, do you have a link? Curious what the setup i s.


    First link is entire Post  and the second link is in the first paragraph ...$35 mining rack under his parts he listed...it's $89 now
    https://forums.evga.com/H...ld-I-get-m2927907.aspx
    https://www.amazon.com/Al...me-ZCash/dp/B073SMF21G


    Yeah, that rack has been standing idle in my balcony for over a year.
    It's not very good. Not enough cooling capability for the GPUs, they're too close together, plus like mentioned, those mining racks work with reference cards. Any other GPUs, and you'll have to add support beams to support the tail, and not make the GPUs hang just on 2 screws.
    The rack supports 1 Mobo only.

    I suggested to go with a cheap shoerack instead.
    IMHO Works best:
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KO3FTKY/

    You can mount your GPUs with simple wood screws, nails, zip ties, steel wire, or plain rope, just anywhere on the rack.
    Rack above supports up to 3 mining rigs.
    If PSU is on the right, mobo in the center, you can fit about 5 GPUs per shelf. Plus, a Box fan is about the width of the center piece (between the feet), and still cools the top shelf.
    I have the 4 tier rack, but a 3 tier is more than enough.
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