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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/18 12:51:02 (permalink)
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I would like to see a complete investigation into the Regulatory Oversight Government Entities.
 
How are they so easily hoodwinked by these Banks ?
 
Thought regulation had been tightened up since the financial meltdown.
 
 


It is because ex bankers run the regulators. It is a revolving door. Banker quits bank to work as a regulator. A few years later he quits and goes back to banking industry.

It is just like how in the Crisis of 2008 that the very heads of the financial institutions that caused the problem were allowed to design the roadmap to "fix" the problem.
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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/18 12:57:16 (permalink)
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I like how they blame it on "cross selling". No, it was just employees who aren't good at their jobs and should pick a different field. I see this as employee wrong doing, not Wells. In fact, I hope Wells Fargo decides to prosecute those involved.



Fraud this pervasive in a highly regulated industry does not happen in a vacuum. 
 
Management was directly or indirectly fully responsible for this being allowed to happen.
 
Management team are employees also.  Their job is to manage the people to make corporate goals while not violating Corporate policy or the law.

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/18 16:01:14 (permalink)
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I really can't believe the fine is not bigger.

Wells Fargo has a history of securities Fraud, lying to regulators, bond bid rigging, loan & foreclosure abuse, ethnic discrimination, fraudulent loan certifications, illegal predatory student loan practices, defrauding investors........the list goes on.

These are not just oversights. These are purposeful illegal actions in order to make profit by defrauding citizens.

These banks might be "Too Big to Fail", but they sure as heck aren't "Too big to steal your money".
They're not too big to fail. People are just afraid of a true free market and don't realize it would be much better than what exists now.

The 6 main banks are too big to fail. Each of the 6 banks does not have enough assets to pay for their debts.
 
Citigroup
Total Assets: $1,808,356,000,000 (more than 1.8 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $53,042,993,000,000 (more than 53 trillion dollars)
 
JPMorgan Chase
Total Assets: $2,417,121,000,000 (about 2.4 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,352,846,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Goldman Sachs
Total Assets: $880,607,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,148,095,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Bank Of America
Total Assets: $2,154,342,000,000 (a little bit more than 2.1 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $45,243,755,000,000 (more than 45 trillion dollars)
 
Morgan Stanley
Total Assets: $834,113,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $31,054,323,000,000 (more than 31 trillion dollars)
 
Wells Fargo
Total Assets: $1,751,265,000,000 (more than 1.7 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $6,074,262,000,000 (more than 6 trillion dollars)
 
I got the figures from this site : http://www.occ.gov/index.html
 
 


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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/18 16:35:16 (permalink)
There is no such thing as too big to fail. Everything can fail. The Titanic was unsinkable......

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 05:52:28 (permalink)
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I really can't believe the fine is not bigger.

Wells Fargo has a history of securities Fraud, lying to regulators, bond bid rigging, loan & foreclosure abuse, ethnic discrimination, fraudulent loan certifications, illegal predatory student loan practices, defrauding investors........the list goes on.

These are not just oversights. These are purposeful illegal actions in order to make profit by defrauding citizens.

These banks might be "Too Big to Fail", but they sure as heck aren't "Too big to steal your money".
They're not too big to fail. People are just afraid of a true free market and don't realize it would be much better than what exists now.

The 6 main banks are too big to fail. Each of the 6 banks does not have enough assets to pay for their debts.
 
Citigroup
Total Assets: $1,808,356,000,000 (more than 1.8 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $53,042,993,000,000 (more than 53 trillion dollars)
 
JPMorgan Chase
Total Assets: $2,417,121,000,000 (about 2.4 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,352,846,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Goldman Sachs
Total Assets: $880,607,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,148,095,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Bank Of America
Total Assets: $2,154,342,000,000 (a little bit more than 2.1 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $45,243,755,000,000 (more than 45 trillion dollars)
 
Morgan Stanley
Total Assets: $834,113,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $31,054,323,000,000 (more than 31 trillion dollars)
 
Wells Fargo
Total Assets: $1,751,265,000,000 (more than 1.7 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $6,074,262,000,000 (more than 6 trillion dollars)
 
I got the figures from this site : http://www.occ.gov/index.html
 
 





A reckoning is coming. Anyone that's paying attention to what the rest of the world is doing, they would realize it.
 
 
 
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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 06:44:26 (permalink)
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There is no such thing as too big to fail. Everything can fail. The Titanic was unsinkable......


I don't think you are understanding the saying correctly. "Too big to fail" means that we should do whatever we can to keep said thing from failing because otherwise the consequences of it failing would be disastrous.
It has nothing to do with the strength of said thing or probability of said thing failing without support.

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 06:54:51 (permalink)
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kaninja
There is no such thing as too big to fail. Everything can fail. The Titanic was unsinkable......


I don't think you are understanding the saying correctly. "Too big to fail" means that we should do whatever we can to keep said thing from failing because otherwise the consequences of it failing would be disastrous.
It has nothing to do with the strength of said thing or probability of said thing failing without support.


True. You are correct. Strange though....Government support and intervention of such institutions sounds like it would promote further irresponsible practices.

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 08:30:25 (permalink)
I think it does promote bad practices and abuse. There is almost an incentive to race to "too big to fail" status in order to gain those benefits. "Quick! Let's go into massive debt while we can reap the benefits."

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 09:43:52 (permalink)
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I think it does promote bad practices and abuse. There is almost an incentive to race to "too big to fail" status in order to gain those benefits. "Quick! Let's go into massive debt while we can reap the benefits."



It's money junkies, they don't care what happens. They have a guaranteed golden parachute coming to them.
 
 
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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2016/09/19 19:43:50 (permalink)
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I really can't believe the fine is not bigger.

Wells Fargo has a history of securities Fraud, lying to regulators, bond bid rigging, loan & foreclosure abuse, ethnic discrimination, fraudulent loan certifications, illegal predatory student loan practices, defrauding investors........the list goes on.

These are not just oversights. These are purposeful illegal actions in order to make profit by defrauding citizens.

These banks might be "Too Big to Fail", but they sure as heck aren't "Too big to steal your money".
They're not too big to fail. People are just afraid of a true free market and don't realize it would be much better than what exists now.

The 6 main banks are too big to fail. Each of the 6 banks does not have enough assets to pay for their debts.
 
Citigroup
Total Assets: $1,808,356,000,000 (more than 1.8 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $53,042,993,000,000 (more than 53 trillion dollars)
 
JPMorgan Chase
Total Assets: $2,417,121,000,000 (about 2.4 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,352,846,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Goldman Sachs
Total Assets: $880,607,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $51,148,095,000,000 (more than 51 trillion dollars)
 
Bank Of America
Total Assets: $2,154,342,000,000 (a little bit more than 2.1 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $45,243,755,000,000 (more than 45 trillion dollars)
 
Morgan Stanley
Total Assets: $834,113,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $31,054,323,000,000 (more than 31 trillion dollars)
 
Wells Fargo
Total Assets: $1,751,265,000,000 (more than 1.7 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $6,074,262,000,000 (more than 6 trillion dollars)
 
I got the figures from this site : http://www.occ.gov/index.html
 
 


Too big to fail are words used to scare the masses.  As Kaninja said, there is no such thing as "too big to fail".  I have a full and complete understanding of the term, it was shoved down my throat by my super pro union WV family.

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Re: Wells Fargo faces $185 million fine for massive fraud and theft scheme 2017/08/19 13:32:04 (permalink)
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