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2020/09/28 09:56:14 (permalink)
Hello all,
 
I plan on Watercooling my 3090's once I purchase them, but had a couple of questions. 
 
First is I would normally just buy reference cards and then get like heatkiller blocks for them and be done. This year I am going to get an EVGA Custom card. Is the FTW3 Ultra and Hydrocopper cards based off the same board design? Or are they also different custom boards from each other. I know on Twitter Jacob has said HydroCopper is prob Oct/Nov (gotta wait for Ryzen 5000 anyways, so no worries there), and no solid plans yet on if they would make a separate kit for HydoCopper for cards later. 
 
Looking at the 2080ti, it looked like EVGA eventually came out with a block for the FTW3 models, but not until March 2019, which is 6 months after that card was released. So it seems if I wanted to go FTW3 model, if Hydrocopper is based off that board, is to just get the HydroCopper model from EVGA?
 
My second question is, how was the cooling performance of the HydroCopper 2080ti models vs like the Heatkillers or Alphacool's blocks? Were they pretty on par, or were they worse than some of those blocks? 
 
Last question is, and we might not know this yet, does the Hydrocopper have any type of active cooling on the back for the memory module on the 3090? I have only been able to find front shots of the card, so not sure what the backplate will look like.
 
Oh also in the past, do the HydroCopper's only come with plexi fronts? They don't offer a solid Actel front option right?

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 10:08:50 (permalink)
    All Evga 30 series cards are custom PCB, so far EKWB said they will make blocks for them


     
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 10:35:00 (permalink)
    The problem is Evga undercuts third parties with their own blocks, giving third parties little incentive to make a block for an even further reduced market of cards. 
    So basically your stuck with no options when you buy their cards.
     
    Good for Evga and their profits.... but terrible for the consumer. This is one of the major drawbacks to EVGA. Your are generally stuck waiting for them to release a hydrocopper block, and their prices are inflated compared to the market.
    Whereas all the STRIX owners will be enjoying watercooling roughly 2 weeks from now.. we will be hopeful just to have an official announcement in November
    post edited by ehabash1 - 2020/09/28 10:38:37
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 10:36:23 (permalink)
    I'm going to hold out for that 3090 HC card too, whenever it releases. Hopefully there will be enough inventory to actually stand a chance to score one.

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 10:40:36 (permalink)
    Evga cut ties with EK years ago. They went with some other unknown company to make their blocks now.

    Assuming the time frame for the hydro copper would be the same.. maybe even faster this year as ek and other block makers were waiting as long as us for a card to get the dimensions for it as I've heard

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 12:00:06 (permalink)
    EK said weeks for the XC3 blocks.  So probably mid Oct.

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 18:46:04 (permalink)
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    I'm going to hold out for that 3090 HC card too, whenever it releases. Hopefully there will be enough inventory to actually stand a chance to score one.




    They're probably going to be closer to $2k, we might have a chance!
     
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 18:52:20 (permalink)
    Might have to resort to adapting GPU Only water blocks in the meantime, But don't quote me on that.

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 19:05:46 (permalink)
    I sure hope some more high quality watercooling companies make blocks for the FTW3 PCB - just not a fan of EK. Too overpriced for the quality you good imo. Here's hoping Watercool or Aquacomputer makes a block!
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 20:54:24 (permalink)
    gutcheck
    EK said weeks for the XC3 blocks.  So probably mid Oct.


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    EK said weeks for the XC3 blocks.  So probably mid Oct.





    Where did you hear this? I have been querying a number of EK user haunts re: Blcoks for Evga Cards and getting nothing but "crickets".....kind of curious how long the wait for FTW3 ....although no panick really as likely wont get the Card for a few months.!

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/28 22:07:57 (permalink)
    EVGA has stated there will be both XC3 and FTW3 versions of its hydrocopper models. My understanding is the PCB and hardware differ between them. Hopefully some site will post bare PCB shots of each card at some point. 


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/29 11:48:04 (permalink)
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    Hello all,
     
    I plan on Watercooling my 3090's once I purchase them, but had a couple of questions. 
     
    First is I would normally just buy reference cards and then get like heatkiller blocks for them and be done. This year I am going to get an EVGA Custom card. Is the FTW3 Ultra and Hydrocopper cards based off the same board design? Or are they also different custom boards from each other. I know on Twitter Jacob has said HydroCopper is prob Oct/Nov (gotta wait for Ryzen 5000 anyways, so no worries there), and no solid plans yet on if they would make a separate kit for HydoCopper for cards later. 
     
    Looking at the 2080ti, it looked like EVGA eventually came out with a block for the FTW3 models, but not until March 2019, which is 6 months after that card was released. So it seems if I wanted to go FTW3 model, if Hydrocopper is based off that board, is to just get the HydroCopper model from EVGA?
     
    My second question is, how was the cooling performance of the HydroCopper 2080ti models vs like the Heatkillers or Alphacool's blocks? Were they pretty on par, or were they worse than some of those blocks? 
     
    Last question is, and we might not know this yet, does the Hydrocopper have any type of active cooling on the back for the memory module on the 3090? I have only been able to find front shots of the card, so not sure what the backplate will look like.
     
    Oh also in the past, do the HydroCopper's only come with plexi fronts? They don't offer a solid Actel front option right?




    (you asked) Is the FTW3 Ultra and Hydrocopper cards based off the same board design? 
     
    Hydrocopper - is the Cooler designation for water cooled cards
     
    FTW3 Cards - have wider PCB & more robust circuit design than the "reference design cards"
     
    I've not seen an Actel block from EVGA

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/29 11:58:31 (permalink)
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    The problem is Evga undercuts third parties with their own blocks, giving third parties little incentive to make a block for an even further reduced market of cards. 
    So basically your stuck with no options when you buy their cards.
     
    Good for Evga and their profits.... but terrible for the consumer. This is one of the major drawbacks to EVGA. Your are generally stuck waiting for them to release a hydrocopper block, and their prices are inflated compared to the market.
    Whereas all the STRIX owners will be enjoying watercooling roughly 2 weeks from now.. we will be hopeful just to have an official announcement in November



    Not sure what you basing your reply on ?
     
    I had no issues buying EK blocks for my EVGA cards: 1080 Ti FTW3 & 2080 Ti
     
    Though it is true their is no guarantee that Any vendor will make a water block for any one specific graphics card.  So, some models wont get custom water blocks, it is totally up to the company that makes the block, if they want to have an addition version if the PCB layout changes from "reference design"
     
    To avoid any issues, best to by a card After you get assurances that your chosen Mfg will be making a water block

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/29 21:57:13 (permalink)
    I’m either going to get a hydrocopper 3090 from evga or a ftw3 card and a block from ek, whichever is available first. I’m betting on hydrocopper But I could be wrong 

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 01:24:17 (permalink)
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    I’m either going to get a hydrocopper 3090 from evga or a ftw3 card and a block from ek, whichever is available first. I’m betting on hydrocopper But I could be wrong 


    I could be wrong by my impression of HC is it's always super limited quantity, a long time after everything else release, and not great value anyways.  You also get double-ended losing resale value years later because waterblocked cards are typically only desirable to "enthusiasts" who also move on to newer generations like you do.
     
    Also Asus seems to be the top dog getting 3080/90 waterblocks first...EVGA will be a couple months from now probably.  


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 03:10:22 (permalink)
    Maybe Hydro Copper Version is better
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 10:17:50 (permalink)
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    Maybe Hydro Copper Version is better


    HC waterblock is made by another OEM that will also make blocks for other cards.  Only difference is the HC branding.  Almost always it's EK or Bitspower (not sure who EVGA uses nowadays)


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 10:26:33 (permalink)
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    Maybe Hydro Copper Version is better


    HC waterblock is made by another OEM that will also make blocks for other cards.  Only difference is the HC branding.  Almost always it's EK or Bitspower (not sure who EVGA uses nowadays)


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 10:27:01 (permalink)
    At this point I wouldn't even bother with 2 cards for SLI since it's effectively dead. Also SLI on 30 series cards will not work on anything DX11 and back and will only be supported in the future if the game supports mGPU natively. 
    https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5082
     
    If you can't read between the lines, I'll make it clear for you that this is basically the end of SLI. If you purchase 2 cards at this point you are basically lighting $1500+ on fire just for the hell of it. 
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 10:43:58 (permalink)
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    If you can't read between the lines, I'll make it clear for you that this is basically the end of SLI. If you purchase 2 cards at this point you are basically lighting $1500+ on fire just for the hell of it. 



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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 19:01:14 (permalink)
    Most people will go for Air-Cooled cards.
     
    Watercooling enthusiasts are a very niche small group of the total customer base. So I don't think anyone will want to buy these in large demand comparing to air-cooled cards because it requires custom watercooling which I have.
     
    I won't buy if I cant add it to cart. Period. if I see scalpers buying it all up on ebay for the Hydro Copper, then oh well. Not buying it. They can eat cake, I only will buy from EVGA directly but only if I can do the purchase myself directly with EVGA.
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/09/30 22:19:00 (permalink)
    CaliLife17
     
    Last question is, and we might not know this yet, does the Hydrocopper have any type of active cooling on the back for the memory module on the 3090? I have only been able to find front shots of the card, so not sure what the backplate will look like.
     

     
    Well if they dont, (don't think any others plan to) just slap 2 ram waterblocks on any backplate and you'll be good.
    something I'll probably consider toying with once ekwb releases the ftw blocks.
     
    don't think i'll have the patience to wait for a potential non existent heatkiller block. (they're gonna decide either on a strix or a ftw3, not both, cast your votes when they release the polls)
     
    INB4 'restriction' comments, I run 2 pumps in my loop, and a lot of people underestimate what a single pump can handle =P
     
     
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/01 14:48:32 (permalink)
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    Most people will go for Air-Cooled cards.
     
    Watercooling enthusiasts are a very niche small group of the total customer base. So I don't think anyone will want to buy these in large demand comparing to air-cooled cards because it requires custom watercooling which I have.

     
    The problem is, that also means Hydrocoppers tend to be stocked in lower quantities so there's less to go around. I remember EVGA had a hell of a time keeping them stocked even with the 2000-series. This forum has a large number of people holding out for the hydrocopper, if the number of posts I've seen is anything to go by. If I do buy a 3080 myself, it would only be a 3080 HC. At least I have a few weeks to decide first... 


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/01 14:52:58 (permalink)
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    At this point I wouldn't even bother with 2 cards for SLI since it's effectively dead. Also SLI on 30 series cards will not work on anything DX11 and back and will only be supported in the future if the game supports mGPU natively. 
    https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5082
     
    If you can't read between the lines, I'll make it clear for you that this is basically the end of SLI. If you purchase 2 cards at this point you are basically lighting $1500+ on fire just for the hell of it. 


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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/01 15:03:47 (permalink)
    I was told that Optimus is making a block for the 3090 FTW3 and have a few in testing.  Was told by someone that is having their card used for fitment testing.
     
    https://twitter.com/Optimus_WC/status/1300843678806671363
     
     
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/01 19:28:34 (permalink)
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    I was told that Optimus is making a block for the 3090 FTW3 and have a few in testing.  Was told by someone that is having their card used for fitment testing.
     

     

     
    hmm competition is always good, but man i see mixed reviews about optimus.
    delayed launches, poor QC, support a bit lacking...
     
    i sent an email requesting a bit more info about their direct die block... they still have yet to respond (now that i think about it)
    (i be the one that shaved the silicon on the 9900k by more than 60%)
     
     
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/02 09:43:13 (permalink)
    I have been Water-cooling GPU's for a long time so in regarding anytime of resale or anything like that isn't really a concern for me. 
     
    Also NV-Link isn't only used for Gaming, so there are area's and applications that I could still benefit from having it, but that isn't really my concern either for me right now.
     
    My main point of the thread was, It seem the only way to get an EVGA 3090 FTW PCB watercooled in 2020 will be the HC version of it correct? 

    It doesn't seem at least for the FTW3 models that 3rd party Waterblocks seem to come much later. 
     
    I know this is an EVGA board, but it seems if an EVGA 3090 Water-cooled board is going to be hard to come by either from EVGA directly, or 3rd party Waterblock, it seems the Asus top model 3090 would be the only other way to go? Seems 3rd party block support for Asus seems better, not sure why. 

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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/02 11:19:08 (permalink)
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    I was told that Optimus is making a block for the 3090 FTW3 and have a few in testing.  Was told by someone that is having their card used for fitment testing.
     
    https://twitter.com/Optimus_WC/status/1300843678806671363
     
     


    They currently have my 3090 FTW3 for water block testing.

    It will probably be the first I can get my hands on etc.

    If evga hydro copper blocks come out separately I’ll grab one of those as well just to test the difference etc.
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/02 19:29:59 (permalink)
    Jacob said a Hydro Copper Kingpin is also in the works. forums.evga.com/3090-KingPin-m3074885.aspx
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    Re: Watercooling 3090's 2020/10/02 23:52:19 (permalink)
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    Most people will go for Air-Cooled cards.
     
    Watercooling enthusiasts are a very niche small group of the total customer base. So I don't think anyone will want to buy these in large demand comparing to air-cooled cards because it requires custom watercooling which I have.

     
    The problem is, that also means Hydrocoppers tend to be stocked in lower quantities so there's less to go around. I remember EVGA had a hell of a time keeping them stocked even with the 2000-series. This forum has a large number of people holding out for the hydrocopper, if the number of posts I've seen is anything to go by. If I do buy a 3080 myself, it would only be a 3080 HC. At least I have a few weeks to decide first... 




    It makes a huge difference in temperature, You can usually go 30C lower in temps. What normally I would see at 80-85C in temps on an air-cooled card, I can instead see 45C in temps on a Watercooled card on a waterblock and that means slightly better and more stable overlocks. The other benefit is that you are not limited to just 3 fans. The sky is the limit and you can have as many radiators as you want and run at a low fan speed so that the system is silent. So I would argue that watercooling is not only for overclocking enthusiasts but also for audiophiles and gamers that just want the best sound experience in games without having their computers sounding like a Jet Engine.
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