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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:09:48 (permalink)
https://youtu.be/8j0Own0kQAw

strix unboxing.  4 min mark. so the pictures on retail pages aren't updated.  seems like they changed it prior to release.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:10:08 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!
False. I received my 3090 FTW3 Ultra today and can confirm it has 2 MLCC. Not on the Strix level, but I'll stay loyal to EVGA.



I'm loyal to the product with better components. 2 MLCC is fine though. 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:11:43 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!
False. I received my 3090 FTW3 Ultra today and can confirm it has 2 MLCC. Not on the Strix level, but I'll stay loyal to EVGA.

 
Not entirely false. It looks like there are some out there with 0x MLCC and some out there with 2x MLCC. This is why I included the qualifier "This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page." because it could be incorrect or simply out of date.


 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:16:38 (permalink)
it matters with every other type of electronics. ellectronic noise= bad

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:19:05 (permalink)
The way i see it..as long as the vrm and other components were not cheaped  out on, and it matches FE specs with the caps it should be okay. im assuming an across the board reduction will happen to make sure though.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:20:02 (permalink)
 For what I understand MLCC-capacitors would be able to filter different frequencies (like 10nF, 30nF, 100nF, 330nF etc) where POSCAP-capacitors has only one filtering frequency? Obviously they have other pros and cons aswell, but as explained by Jay, this could be the case.
 
I can be wrong. Still wondering why Asus was the only one who decided to go 6xMLCC.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:20:04 (permalink)
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Hope it comes with 6 MLCCs. It should for the price of $2200.

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:21:19 (permalink)
YURIIII  because it probably is true, since the Strix itself has one of the highest boost clocks.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:23:02 (permalink)
Hello all :)
 
Does someone received the 3090 XC3 ultra ?
I would like to know if there is 1 (ou 2) MCL !
 
Kindly regards
 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:24:25 (permalink)
YURIIII
 For what I understand MLCC-capacitors would be able to filter different frequencies (like 10nF, 30nF, 100nF, 330nF etc) where POSCAP-capacitors has only one filtering frequency? Obviously they have other pros and cons aswell, but as explained by Jay, this could be the case.
 
I can be wrong. Still wondering why Asus was the only one who decided to go 6xMLCC.


the only answer i think is better filtering

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:25:10 (permalink)
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YURIIII  because it probably is true, since the Strix itself has one of the highest boost clocks.


This is the back of a strix 3080 https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-126-457-V02.jpg
Looks to me that some have them and some don't

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:26:44 (permalink)
Nexus that was a retail pre release photo, check back on this thread, i posted an unboxing of the card. it has 6 mlcc's
 
here is derbaeurs breakdown too, same thing. 6
https://youtu.be/8IDMS54jEFM?t=246
post edited by kernolsz28 - 2020/09/25 16:35:01
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:32:15 (permalink)
Give me the good capacitors you cowards
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:33:51 (permalink)
Yeah 4mins into the der8auer video you can clearly see the MLCC's. That video was what convinced me to go Strix this round, very nice part selection and board layout.


 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:40:31 (permalink)
The product pages for every 3090 show solid caps. I don't think this is accurate. We do need some wild photos to corroborate the acutal component layouts.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:45:57 (permalink)
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Can anyone give a brief ELI5 on the issue? I watched the Jayz video while multitasking and didn't really get the full implication



Some cards are crashing. Igor's Lab thinks it's related to the capacitors on the back of the GPU. This blew up into a mess of baseless speculation and people claiming expensive tantalum capacitors are somehow "cheap" and "low quality", which couldn't be further from the truth.

TL;DR: Explosions of nonsense on the internet. Enjoy your GPU and wait for confirmation.


I'm thinking this is closer to the truth. there's always some conspiracy.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was solved with a driver update...

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:47:54 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!



The production models of the EVGA cards are the same as the founders edition

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:49:38 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!
False. I received my 3090 FTW3 Ultra today and can confirm it has 2 MLCC. Not on the Strix level, but I'll stay loyal to EVGA.

This is true. At 1:44:10 on "EVGA's Ready for Takeoff!" video they show the backplate for a split second. It's dark and grainy, but you can see two MLCC arrays down the middle just like the Founders card. The Asus is overkill as usual with six, but also as usual they are holding back the power limit despite the overkill compnents. 400W vs 440W may not make a big difference, but it will be annoying if they release a higher wattage BIOS with a "super-premium" card or "White Editon" card that costs even more. They did that with the 2080Ti. I was able to flash my Strix to 360W up from 325W which really helped clock stability, but that was an earlier card and later ones were more locked down. I would rather not have to do that and buy a card with a proper BIOS already.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:51:08 (permalink)
DAMMMMMM the capspiracy is lit

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 16:53:32 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!



The production models of the EVGA cards are the same as the founders edition
 



Not entirely true. There are cards with 0x MLCC and cards with 2x MLCC confirmed out in the wild. The question is, are both iterations fine or is it just that a few early production cards shipped out before the revised ones? We'll need a statement from EVGA on this.


 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 19:04:14 (permalink)
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Surely K|ngp|n himself looked at the capacitors and thought, “2 MLCC arrays will be fine... of course on my model, I’ll put the full 6!”

Vince HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US FTW3 ULTRA OWNERS??



Does anyone have a pic proving this or are we just memeing here?
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 19:21:57 (permalink)
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Surely K|ngp|n himself looked at the capacitors and thought, “2 MLCC arrays will be fine... of course on my model, I’ll put the full 6!”

Vince HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US FTW3 ULTRA OWNERS??



Does anyone have a pic proving this or are we just memeing here?


No pics of the back of the card yet.


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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/25 19:27:30 (permalink)
I'm curious

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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 03:01:32 (permalink)
lol
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 03:28:50 (permalink)
So far it looks like that. They use six MLCCs whereas EVGA uses 4x2.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 04:08:47 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!



The production models of the EVGA cards are the same as the founders edition
 



Not entirely true. There are cards with 0x MLCC and cards with 2x MLCC confirmed out in the wild. The question is, are both iterations fine or is it just that a few early production cards shipped out before the revised ones? We'll need a statement from EVGA on this.




It's been said by EVGA that none are in the wild. The only ones that don't use the 2 + 4 setup are preproduction models sent to reviewers. They clarified this, told reviewers, and have said they are trying to get reviewers the production model.
 
This is also supposedly why the FTW3 was delayed. Apparently the rest are up to spec, I guess. Or at least so they say.
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 05:32:00 (permalink)
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Surely K|ngp|n himself looked at the capacitors and thought, “2 MLCC arrays will be fine... of course on my model, I’ll put the full 6!”

Vince HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US FTW3 ULTRA OWNERS??



Does anyone have a pic proving this or are we just memeing here?


No pics of the back of the card yet.






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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 05:41:26 (permalink)
Its all photoshopped. Once you open the cheap cooler than you see the real thing. Jk of course evga will have right product. They never fail!
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/26 07:05:27 (permalink)
LOL
 
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Re: Vince, why’d you keep 6 MLCC for yourself? 2020/09/27 01:15:16 (permalink)
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The FTW3 Ultra has zero arrays. This is based on the photos on the EVGA product page.
 
Glad I decided to go with Asus this round!



The production models of the EVGA cards are the same as the founders edition
 



Not entirely true. There are cards with 0x MLCC and cards with 2x MLCC confirmed out in the wild. The question is, are both iterations fine or is it just that a few early production cards shipped out before the revised ones? We'll need a statement from EVGA on this.




It's been said by EVGA that none are in the wild. The only ones that don't use the 2 + 4 setup are preproduction models sent to reviewers. They clarified this, told reviewers, and have said they are trying to get reviewers the production model.
 
This is also supposedly why the FTW3 was delayed. Apparently the rest are up to spec, I guess. Or at least so they say.




seconding this btw, everything i've seen for the companies that have actual versions done "right" is that those you see of the same model done with the 6x SPcaps are from early samples sent to reviewers prior to global release.
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