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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/04 16:24:04
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rblaes_99 Still better than the SLI days IMHO
Sli was fun though.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/04 17:36:48
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rblaes_99 Still better than the SLI days IMHO
I never did get into SLI. I always thought it was too expensive, plus I would have preferred if they designed the tech to utilize all the RAM on each card individually and not made it shared. Still, the concept is pretty cool. I just find it funny that not every game or app could utilize SLI, just like not every game or app can utilize all cores of a CPU.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/05 10:36:10
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rblaes_99 Still better than the SLI days IMHO
I never did get into SLI. I always thought it was too expensive, plus I would have preferred if they designed the tech to utilize all the RAM on each card individually and not made it shared. Still, the concept is pretty cool. I just find it funny that not every game or app could utilize SLI, just like not every game or app can utilize all cores of a CPU.
Last time I SLI'd was with a pair of EVGA GTX 280's many moons ago. After a few months I sold one of them and have been single GPU only since. The cost and hiccups didn't equal the performance gains in the games I was playing. Fun for benchmarks though.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/05 12:35:56
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ObscureEmpyre I just find it funny that not every game or app could utilize SLI, just like not every game or app can utilize all cores of a CPU.
It had to be coded into the app to get the full benefit. Many developers couldn't be bothered to spend the time on it.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/05 17:41:00
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the_Scarlet_one I am not sure why folks have shifted from the 3080 that the OP started off referencing, to randomly switching to the 3090 costs. Makes no sense to me.
The 3080 did start with an MSRP for the base line founders & “reference” PCB of $699 back in 2019, and has had a lifecycle of over 18 months, so I am not sure why short lifecycles have started encroaching on the conversation either. I am guessing it is a steering technique versus conversing with the actual topic?
Anyway, the 3080 for the FTW3 Ultra did start off with a lower MSRP, when the OP likely signed up, and then the MSRP went up over a year ago and hasn’t fully come back down. It went from ~$810 to ~$920 and currently has a $50 rebate bringing it back down to $870.
So, $60 difference from launch to now.
OP’s thread is about the cost of the card, which is nearly in line with what the card costed when it launched. After waiting so long, I can understand why someone would be frustrated, but since the price isn’t all that much different from launch, this would have been buyers remorse either way.
I think you got the date wrong on the 3080 founders card. I think 2020 not 2019 was when they came out. I did get an evga 3080 ftw3 november 2020 with a small markup of 50 dollars. Maybe I paid 850 for it. So all of 2021 is 12 months and 1 month in 2020 makes 13 months and 5 months this year means I used it just over 18 say 18.5 months. If you were willing to jump in 2020 late fall and slightly overpay for it they were available for about 40 days. They then got stupidly expensive due to nvidia using them to mine eth. nvidia simply cut deals with large farms and made a fortune all of 2021.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/05 18:05:16
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I sli'd when I got a crazy good deal on 1 or 2 cards. I remmeber when buy.com had pricing errors on gtx 480s. That was awesome.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/07 05:16:58
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the_Scarlet_one I am not sure why folks have shifted from the 3080 that the OP started off referencing, to randomly switching to the 3090 costs. Makes no sense to me.
The 3080 did start with an MSRP for the base line founders & “reference” PCB of $699 back in 2019, and has had a lifecycle of over 18 months, so I am not sure why short lifecycles have started encroaching on the conversation either. I am guessing it is a steering technique versus conversing with the actual topic?
Anyway, the 3080 for the FTW3 Ultra did start off with a lower MSRP, when the OP likely signed up, and then the MSRP went up over a year ago and hasn’t fully come back down. It went from ~$810 to ~$920 and currently has a $50 rebate bringing it back down to $870.
So, $60 difference from launch to now.
OP’s thread is about the cost of the card, which is nearly in line with what the card costed when it launched. After waiting so long, I can understand why someone would be frustrated, but since the price isn’t all that much different from launch, this would have been buyers remorse either way.
I think you got the date wrong on the 3080 founders card. I think 2020 not 2019 was when they came out. I did get an evga 3080 ftw3 november 2020 with a small markup of 50 dollars. Maybe I paid 850 for it. So all of 2021 is 12 months and 1 month in 2020 makes 13 months and 5 months this year means I used it just over 18 say 18.5 months. If you were willing to jump in 2020 late fall and slightly overpay for it they were available for about 40 days. They then got stupidly expensive due to nvidia using them to mine eth. nvidia simply cut deals with large farms and made a fortune all of 2021.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/07 11:20:16
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philipma1957 I think you got the date wrong on the 3080 founders card. I think 2020 not 2019 was when they came out. I did get an evga 3080 ftw3 november 2020 with a small markup of 50 dollars. Maybe I paid 850 for it. So all of 2021 is 12 months and 1 month in 2020 makes 13 months and 5 months this year means I used it just over 18 say 18.5 months. If you were willing to jump in 2020 late fall and slightly overpay for it they were available for about 40 days. They then got stupidly expensive due to nvidia using them to mine eth. nvidia simply cut deals with large farms and made a fortune all of 2021.
It was supposed to say 2020, not 2019.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/16 15:32:40
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Buying a 3080,or 3090 is costlier but when you want to game in 4k it is worth it.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/16 15:38:31
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Get ready to drop 2000+ dollars for high end 40 series.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/16 16:04:03
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Well, there is a Kingpin HC on Ebay for just 1500 and no bids , right now KPE is stalled at about 1300$ used, I did not plan to have a KP HC in the closet as a back up but here we are, a 3090 going price today used is just 1050-1200, the Mining tanking has opened a whole new market pressure we did not expect and I am sure it is noticed by Nvidia, the amount of 30 series cards on steams platform suggests there are many who could defiantly wait this out as we head for a recession. Could be the pressure we need to get value over Stagnation
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/16 17:08:09
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Sajin Get ready to drop 2000+ dollars for high end 40 series.
I sure hope not. Personally, I don’t plan to replace my 3080 Ti(s) for years, but I don’t want $2K+ to be the new norm for high-end GPUs. I never thought my current rig would cost upwards of over $5K, and the thing doesn’t even feature SLI despite that pretty much being dead. PC building has become very, very costly. Sure, it depends on what one wants and can afford, but still. It’s a lot more than it used to cost even with inflation accounted for.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/17 16:10:59
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Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/17 16:15:00
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YesCucumberYum Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
Not necessarily. You forgot to factor in the costs of goods that's gone up because of high demand, shortages, lockdowns, inflation, disruptions, materials, etc. etc....
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/17 19:23:36
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TuKuuL It's cheaper to go buy a console now. After a year, I finally got my email that the 3080 was back in stock. By the time they added $35 extra for ground shipping (which is pretty lame), it was almost $900. I am just so tired of this mess. Please lower your prices. I know it doesn't cost that much to manufacture these cards.
I went with a 3070 and a PS5 in place of a 3080 12gb.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/19 03:57:38
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YesCucumberYum Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
Not necessarily. You forgot to factor in the costs of goods that's gone up because of high demand, shortages, lockdowns, inflation, disruptions, materials, etc. etc....
No, those are factors that drove up prices. Initial MSRP was not influenced by that, and NVidia openly admitted that when they said they did not expect the 3000 series to sell so fast. Initial MSRP was set before the shortages set in. Before inflation hit, before the 3000 series even released. NVidia has been moving the MSRP substantially with each generation, to see how much people will pay, and they continue to be able to do it since people will cry about the price and then pay anyway.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
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YesCucumberYum Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
Not necessarily. You forgot to factor in the costs of goods that's gone up because of high demand, shortages, lockdowns, inflation, disruptions, materials, etc. etc....
No, those are factors that drove up prices. Initial MSRP was not influenced by that, and NVidia openly admitted that when they said they did not expect the 3000 series to sell so fast.
Initial MSRP was set before the shortages set in. Before inflation hit, before the 3000 series even released. NVidia has been moving the MSRP substantially with each generation, to see how much people will pay, and they continue to be able to do it since people will cry about the price and then pay anyway.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/20 04:05:02
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The reality is that GPUs have more use cases then just gaming. Crypto, productivity, machine learning, neural networks, self-driving... As more use cases come out, it will drive demand and there for prices higher. Most of this is at the high end where high processing power in a given amount of space is desirable. If all the high end stuff is in excess demand for professional/monetary reasons though, it then raises the cost of the lower end stuff as well. For the 40 series, it's looking kind of interesting. The 4080 looks like it might be similar in performance to the 3080Ti/3090/3090Ti. The 4090 though looks like it's going to be a lot more powerful. Potentially they are pushing a larger difference between maybe a professional vs gaming.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/20 09:45:01
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03whitegsr The reality is that GPUs have more use cases then just gaming. Crypto, productivity, machine learning, neural networks, self-driving... As more use cases come out, it will drive demand and there for prices higher.
Most of this is at the high end where high processing power in a given amount of space is desirable. If all the high end stuff is in excess demand for professional/monetary reasons though, it then raises the cost of the lower end stuff as well.
For the 40 series, it's looking kind of interesting. The 4080 looks like it might be similar in performance to the 3080Ti/3090/3090Ti. The 4090 though looks like it's going to be a lot more powerful. Potentially they are pushing a larger difference between maybe a professional vs gaming.
Thankfully, the crypto bubble is bursting once again. Hopefully that’ll drive prices down in the near term. Nvidia was banking on crypto with the GTX 1000 series, but that’s when the bubble burst last time and there seemed to be an over-abundance of Pascal cards floating around. Don’t forget that there’s the GeForce and Quadro product line, so demand is kind of use-case-specific. Personally, I’ll be skipping the RTX 4000 series, but I’m very interested in how the 4090 performs. My system is primarily used for gaming, and my 3080 Ti has yet to meet its match when it comes to max graphics settings at 1440p. Here’s to hoping that continues to be the case for the next few years. Otherwise, this PC building/gaming hobby of mine is getting crazy expensive.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/20 17:38:01
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TuKuuL Well, I'd rather put it in my 401K. I'll buy another video card when I retire.
Year to date return is minus 13%
And you don't think it will go back up? Buy low.
Update (after 5 weeks): Year to date return is minus 16%I start to worry for this consistent (6 month) direction.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/20 18:55:18
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I forgot - this is your 401K or the GPU asset class?
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 07:16:26
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YesCucumberYum Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
Not necessarily. You forgot to factor in the costs of goods that's gone up because of high demand, shortages, lockdowns, inflation, disruptions, materials, etc. etc....
No, those are factors that drove up prices. Initial MSRP was not influenced by that, and NVidia openly admitted that when they said they did not expect the 3000 series to sell so fast.
Initial MSRP was set before the shortages set in. Before inflation hit, before the 3000 series even released. NVidia has been moving the MSRP substantially with each generation, to see how much people will pay, and they continue to be able to do it since people will cry about the price and then pay anyway.
You make a good point there. The 2080 Ti (base model) compared to the 3090/3090 Ti base model (both considered the top tier in their own respective generations) saw a price jump of $500 prior to the disruptions? IIRC, thats a considerable jump in price they were aiming for prior the chaos. Did the performance have a similar jump as prior gens from top tier to top tier or did it have a considerable jump in performance for them to justify for such a price jump?
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 08:08:26
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spartakrex I forgot - this is your 401K or the GPU asset class?
401K (verry conservative and low risk portfolio). Glad (December 21) I cashed chunk of it (30,000) and "saved" 4,800 (minus taxes). Think to dedicate gain to 4080 when it comes.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 08:27:27
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YesCucumberYum Gang, video cards cost what they do now because everyone buys them. If 300dollar video cars cost 600 dollars and people buy it and wait in line and use bots and discords and other tricks, then 600 it is.
It's that simple
Not necessarily. You forgot to factor in the costs of goods that's gone up because of high demand, shortages, lockdowns, inflation, disruptions, materials, etc. etc....
No, those are factors that drove up prices. Initial MSRP was not influenced by that, and NVidia openly admitted that when they said they did not expect the 3000 series to sell so fast.
Initial MSRP was set before the shortages set in. Before inflation hit, before the 3000 series even released. NVidia has been moving the MSRP substantially with each generation, to see how much people will pay, and they continue to be able to do it since people will cry about the price and then pay anyway.
You make a good point there.
The 2080 Ti (base model) compared to the 3090/3090 Ti base model (both considered the top tier in their own respective generations) saw a price jump of $500 prior to the disruptions? IIRC, thats a considerable jump in price they were aiming for prior the chaos. Did the performance have a similar jump as prior gens from top tier to top tier or did it have a considerable jump in performance for them to justify for such a price jump?
The 2000 series pricing was sticker-shock for a lot of us. Suppose you could chalk it up to recouping R&D for raytracing and overall improvements over the previous gen, but I suspect greed was also a factor. As far as the 3000 series goes, I feel the 3070, 3070 Ti, and 3080 were fairly priced compared with their last-gen counterparts. All other 3000 series cards’ pricing was out of whack. Although, the 3080 Ti is basically a bargain 3090 since there’s only a few percentage points difference between the two when it comes to gaming performance. The 3060 and it’s Ti variant are just plain overpriced for the XX60 tier. Can’t wait to see the complaints for the 4000 series since we all know it’s likely going to be more expensive than current gen pricing.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 10:05:10
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TuKuuL Well, I'd rather put it in my 401K. I'll buy another video card when I retire.
Year to date return is minus 13%
And you don't think it will go back up? Buy low.
Update (after 5 weeks): Year to date return is minus 16% I start to worry for this consistent (6 month) direction.
Which is why I am buying even more than before.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 10:33:14
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Sajin Get ready to drop 2000+ dollars for high end 40 series.
I don't think we will see it near that price unless they do a 4090. This current generation the 3080 was the flagship and it came out at only $699. Hopefully with the crypto crash they go for more of a budget friendly card as I am sure the 3090Ti is a card everyone would love to own but few can afford.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/21 22:38:34
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the_Scarlet_one Maybe buy used?
A month later and I just did! With crypto and used prices dropping, I just now scored a 3080 Ti FTW3 , pristin-ish, for $875, cash in his hand!! Now, I have a GPU to match my Ryzen 5950x!! I'd recently scored a 3060Ti Ultra after being on the notify list for a year. Now, I can try to sell it for ~$100 less than it cost. Now, I can try to learn how to edit the 8k Raw video files and 4k raw that my Canon R5 can produce. I think I need something like daVinci Resolve. Normal vid editing and rendering will be a breeze now! Editing the big raw image files doesn't even make the 5950x break a sweat.... I turn 73 tomoro, never to late to get into gaming, eh?!! Whee!
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Still using my GTX 1060 6gb to play every game I want with zero issues. Don't fall for the marketing hype and save your money. Before I bought the GTX 1060 when it first came out, I was using a pair of GTX 570s with zero issues for several years. And a pair of GTX 285s before that.
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rbtree1 I turn 73 tomoro, never to late to get into gaming, eh?!! Whee!
You are an inspiration to us all younger folk, Sir. Thank you. My sincerest apologies if quote is made wrong. My editing technology skills are not on par with new generation gang. About overpricing topic, I am refreshed to see gigabyte 3070 being offered for 550 new. This is a milestone and gives me new beginnings to hold out until below msrp pricing on
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced...
2022/06/22 15:18:07
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So far, only price drops I see are Gigabyte, Asus and MSI. MSI has lowered their prices on 3080 12GB and 3080 TI...then they offer rebates in addition. MSI Ventus 3080 12GB is $899 with a $100 rebate. MSI 3080 TI Ventus is $1099 with $30 rebate. Check Newegg for that. Asus has dropped prices on the 3080 12GB TUF to $999 (still too high) at Microcenter. Gigabyte has dropped the 3080 TI to $1029 at Microcenter as well as $979 for the 3080 12GB. You can save a few bucks now, or wait to see if EVGA drops even lower. Prices are still high...but slooooowly moving in a southern direction. I feel that Nvidia will delay 40xx series until they move enough 30xx series.
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