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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/22 06:14:31 (permalink)
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/22 06:38:06 (permalink)
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what is stirring my pot is that the product life cycle cannot be an effective 3-6 months if they want $2k a pop.  for $2k, it needs to be minimum 12-18 months for a flagship card.  like others said, just forget it.



Define "flagship"....to me it means the highest end card...ie: RTX 3090 (at the time of release)
 
I purchased my card on release day Purchase Date: 09/24/2020...
 
The 3090Ti was released around March 29 2022.
 
so...18 months just about.
 
 

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/22 07:30:37 (permalink)
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what is stirring my pot is that the product life cycle cannot be an effective 3-6 months if they want $2k a pop.  for $2k, it needs to be minimum 12-18 months for a flagship card.  like others said, just forget it.



Define "flagship"....to me it means the highest end card...ie: RTX 3090 (at the time of release)
 
I purchased my card on release day Purchase Date: 09/24/2020...
 
The 3090Ti was released around March 29 2022.
 
so...18 months just about.
 
 


sure. I was thinking about TI KPE "in hand" dates vs 40xx est release dates.  the 3090KPE did ship in May 21 for me, thats true.  so it got about a 12 month cycle on the 3090 KPE
 
the way it looks on the calendar for the 3090 TI KPE looks much less favorable.  another 2 months to have one in hand and 4 months til the 4090 release? and the 4090 is min 50% better than 3090?  and there isn't even a block for the 3090 TI KPE?  back of the envelope, that is not terribly promising.
 
the marketing line might as well be "come onnnnnn, please?"   I'll probably buy it who are we kidding.  but I reserve the ability to complain about it 
 
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/22 07:54:03 (permalink)
The highest Ti variant typically has a short lifespan, because it is a last ditch effort to get people to buy before the next launch. The 2080ti was a weird launch because they started the launch with it earlier in the life cycle.

The 780ti, 980ti, and 1080ti all had shorter life cycles.

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/22 12:19:13 (permalink)
It's because of crypto, also the RT cores are a pure cash grab and drove up prices. The 20 series was overpriced but the 16 series was good. I had a 1060 6GB so I kind of ignored the 16 and 20 series. I was going to go 30 series but miners picked those up, tariffs also drove prices up but I think those are gone again.
 
My 1060 finally bit the dust, about 6 years in. Prices are beginning to normalize but are still high. I don't really play many games anymore or I'd just go console honestly. But my favorite games are the modded Bethesda/Obsidian games from around 2008-2012, still really enjoy those. Don't need all that much to run them but I do preferably need a bit more juice than the 1060, but a good budget card should give that to me. Except you can't really find those. With the mods you can actually unlock the framerates in those games, so my target is 1080p144.
 
I'm thinking of grabbing a 4k HDTV though and either an S or X series. MS owns Bethesda now so Starfield and ES6 would be on the Xbox, and I think they worked out mods on consoles too. Makes more sense to play igpu stuff on PC and play AAA games on console, especially since usually even when they make it to PC they tend to be DRM riddled poor ports anyway.

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 09:08:15 (permalink)
Rents ... sorry I meant video cards, are too dmn high!  
 
(ps5/xbox dont look too bad for old tech, and cheaper? win/win) 
 
but a b-stock 3080ti ftw3 @1,050 sounds so good
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 11:02:15 (permalink)
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It's because of crypto, also the RT cores are a pure cash grab and drove up prices. The 20 series was overpriced but the 16 series was good. I had a 1060 6GB so I kind of ignored the 16 and 20 series. I was going to go 30 series but miners picked those up, tariffs also drove prices up but I think those are gone again.
 
My 1060 finally bit the dust, about 6 years in. Prices are beginning to normalize but are still high. I don't really play many games anymore or I'd just go console honestly. But my favorite games are the modded Bethesda/Obsidian games from around 2008-2012, still really enjoy those. Don't need all that much to run them but I do preferably need a bit more juice than the 1060, but a good budget card should give that to me. Except you can't really find those. With the mods you can actually unlock the framerates in those games, so my target is 1080p144.
 
I'm thinking of grabbing a 4k HDTV though and either an S or X series. MS owns Bethesda now so Starfield and ES6 would be on the Xbox, and I think they worked out mods on consoles too. Makes more sense to play igpu stuff on PC and play AAA games on console, especially since usually even when they make it to PC they tend to be DRM riddled poor ports anyway.




I personally see ray tracing as the future and with crypto in a tailspin that is currently about 1/3 of what it was 6 months ago for Ethereum. It will be interesting to see what the next generation of cards brings for prices and performance. I personally view my computer as a needed item for more than gaming while a console is just for gaming so in a lot of ways it's better for me to throw a GPU into the computer I use for other tasks than to buy a console. I can tell you none of the current consoles make a game look as good as it does on a 3080 FTW3 Ultra.

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 11:11:43 (permalink)
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I personally see ray tracing as the future and with crypto in a tailspin that is currently about 1/3 of what it was 6 months ago for Ethereum. It will be interesting to see what the next generation of cards brings for prices and performance. I personally view my computer as a needed item for more than gaming while a console is just for gaming so in a lot of ways it's better for me to throw a GPU into the computer I use for other tasks than to buy a console. I can tell you none of the current consoles make a game look as good as it does on a 3080 FTW3 Ultra.

I think raytracing is here to stay. I just hope they improve upon it so as to not make everything a wet, shiny mess. That seems to be the biggest implementation of it. As far as crypto mining goes, I sure hope there isn’t a huge demand for GPUs going forward to support it. Ingenuity and innovation are cool, but when people are repurposing something at the expense of the target audience it definitely leaves a sour taste in the mouth.


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 15:58:44 (permalink)
I had no problem w/ the RT tax after trying it out with a semi cheap 1660ti and the game "Control". 
 
After that I was sold and still am....more RT please , it's just like the RGB you can always turn it off. 
  
 

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 16:56:42 (permalink)
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I had no problem w/ the RT tax after trying it out with a semi cheap 1660ti and the game "Control". 
 
After that I was sold and still am....more RT please , it's just like the RGB you can always turn it off. 
  
 

I played Control for the first time around a month ago and really liked it. However, I was getting frequent and random crashes. I tried a number of troubleshooting steps, and disabling the E-cores of my 12900K seemed to have the biggest impact on stability. Although, disabling RT was one of the steps I’d taken but ultimately determined had no affect on crashing. I did notice a difference between RT on vs. off and definitely preferred it to be on. Don’t get me wrong. I think RT is cool. I just hope the price of GPUs decreases going forward. That’s typically how things go - a new product comes out at an exorbitant price, then lowers once R&D is supposedly recouped. But, Nvidia seems to have taken the stance that people have gotten used to the high prices, so they see no real need to lower them.


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/29 22:10:30 (permalink)
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I had no problem w/ the RT tax after trying it out with a semi cheap 1660ti and the game "Control". 
 
After that I was sold and still am....more RT please , it's just like the RGB you can always turn it off. 
  
 


The 1660ti doesn't have hardware accelerated ray tracing.
https://www.nvidia.com/en...ics-cards/gtx-1660-ti/
 

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/30 02:00:24 (permalink)
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I had no problem w/ the RT tax after trying it out with a semi cheap 1660ti and the game "Control". 
 
After that I was sold and still am....more RT please , it's just like the RGB you can always turn it off. 
  
 




I totally agree about Control being what sold me on ray tracing. You really notice the reflections early on in that game and the shadows. It's really hard to explain until someone sees it in action since a screenshot can look good in software rendering for reflections but ray tracing just looks so much more realistic for how reflections react.
 
As for the price of cards we normally see the cards getting faster at a good rate per generation. The 1080Ti was about in the ballpark of a 2070 and the 2080Ti was about as fast as a 3070. It's possibly in the next generation a 4060Ti could be as fast as a 3070 is now of course we would have to wait and see what the future holds.

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/30 03:42:24 (permalink)
Next gen graphics from NVIDIA and AMD should be interesting. Let's hope both companies are better prepared with far more inventory. 
 
Prices continue to decrease for GPUs, but very slowly. 

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/30 06:17:17 (permalink)
I do remember when a 1.5 yo card was cheaper than MSRP because it was ''old''.
 
Paid 220$ CAD my GTX960 4gb on newegg.
 
 
and now, a 3060 is what? 650-700$ CAd. lol
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/31 14:45:32 (permalink)
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Next gen graphics from NVIDIA and AMD should be interesting. Let's hope both companies are better prepared with far more inventory. 
 
Prices continue to decrease for GPUs, but very slowly. 




Agree and a nice jump performance improvement.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/05/31 22:23:53 (permalink)
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I personally see ray tracing as the future and with crypto in a tailspin that is currently about 1/3 of what it was 6 months ago for Ethereum. It will be interesting to see what the next generation of cards brings for prices and performance. I personally view my computer as a needed item for more than gaming while a console is just for gaming so in a lot of ways it's better for me to throw a GPU into the computer I use for other tasks than to buy a console. I can tell you none of the current consoles make a game look as good as it does on a 3080 FTW3 Ultra.

I think raytracing is here to stay. I just hope they improve upon it so as to not make everything a wet, shiny mess. That seems to be the biggest implementation of it. As far as crypto mining goes, I sure hope there isn’t a huge demand for GPUs going forward to support it. Ingenuity and innovation are cool, but when people are repurposing something at the expense of the target audience it definitely leaves a sour taste in the mouth.



Yeah developers normally overuse the shine effect but to me it's not as bad as how in every game you exit a tunnel while driving and the brightness suddenly acts like you just were in absolute darkness for a ten minutes and everything should be super bright. That isn't just ray tracing they do that in. It's like the developers have never driven a car in a tunnel before since they are not really so dark your eyes adjust much to the darkness.

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 05:02:36 (permalink)
But if they don't overdo it, you can hardly tell a difference. I think they feel that they need to justify why the FPS was cut in half by overdoing it to make the appearance substantially different. Even then, you have to pick and choose examples of locations where there is a substantial visual difference.
I have yet to see the point in ray tracing.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 05:43:17 (permalink)
Getting back to the original post about cost.  My local Microcenter has risen prices on most 3xxx series cards.  The pricing dropped for a month or so, but now prices are headed back up.  Example...the 12GB 3080 FTW 3 had dropped to a low of $1049 at one point...now it's $1299.00  Microcenter taking advantage of the situation, while they sit on a ton of stock.  Frankly...let the stock sit there.  I don't think anyone here likes being taken advantage of.  Also...Asus parts prices have come down...but they were even more ridiculous to begin with.  Ho Hum...

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 05:51:50 (permalink)
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Getting back to the original post about cost.  My local Microcenter has risen prices on most 3xxx series cards.  The pricing dropped for a month or so, but now prices are headed back up.  Example...the 12GB 3080 FTW 3 had dropped to a low of $1049 at one point...now it's $1299.00  Microcenter taking advantage of the situation, while they sit on a ton of stock.  Frankly...let the stock sit there.  I don't think anyone here likes being taken advantage of.  Also...Asus parts prices have come down...but they were even more ridiculous to begin with.  Ho Hum...


So at those prices go to the EVGA website and get an RTX 3080ti or an RTX 3080 hybrid instead. 

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 06:05:09 (permalink)
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I was thinking of one thing that was pointed out about consoles being "cheaper" one thing we saw this generation is console games start to show up at a price of $69.99 for new titles. So far only title to come out at that price on PC was Final Fantasy VII remake on the epic game store with other games being normally $59.99 new on PC. The other great thing about PC is I can go to Steam, Epic games store or a dozen other sources for games but with a console it's Microsoft or Sony or trying to find a physical copy. It's far more limiting to try to find a sale on a console game then it is on PC. One other thing is very few PC games I own have ever became unplayable because of updates. I can load up a 30 year old PC game and play it but with consoles if I wanted to do that they would want me to buy a new copy of the game that works on the current generation consoles.
 


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 06:10:29 (permalink)
$1000 per card is the new normal.    Better than when $500 was the top card and I need two/three of them in SLI.  You just need to reframe the new normal.  This is way better. 
 
i remember my 3 8800ultras in TRI SLi....  Seems that those were about $800 each even back then.....  and I bought 3.
 
I am MUCH happier with a 3090 and getting to use all of the VRAM i paid for.  


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 06:12:13 (permalink)
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Getting back to the original post about cost.  My local Microcenter has risen prices on most 3xxx series cards.  The pricing dropped for a month or so, but now prices are headed back up.  Example...the 12GB 3080 FTW 3 had dropped to a low of $1049 at one point...now it's $1299.00  Microcenter taking advantage of the situation, while they sit on a ton of stock.  Frankly...let the stock sit there.  I don't think anyone here likes being taken advantage of.  Also...Asus parts prices have come down...but they were even more ridiculous to begin with.  Ho Hum...


So at those prices go to the EVGA website and get an RTX 3080ti or an RTX 3080 hybrid instead. 




I would go that route if I decided NOT to wait for the 40xx series.  I am more prone to doing that...my 2080 TI seems to be holding up well.  I did purchase a 3060 12GB for my son's computer, though.  Excellent card!

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 06:44:08 (permalink)
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$1000 per card is the new normal.    Better than when $500 was the top card and I need two/three of them in SLI.  You just need to reframe the new normal.  This is way better. 
 
i remember my 3 8800ultras in TRI SLi....  Seems that those were about $800 each even back then.....  and I bought 3.
 
I am MUCH happier with a 3090 and getting to use all of the VRAM i paid for.  

That’s the mentality Nvidia and the like wants you to adopt. I, for one, think it’s gotten pretty bad in terms of pricing. Heck, a 3060 Ti FTW costs about $500! I know it’s around a decade ago that I bought my 560 Ti, but I paid sub-$250 for that. Motherboards have also gotten crazy expensive, especially from Asus. It wasn’t that long ago that $1000 could net you a killer gaming rig. Now, for a similarly-tiered- performance rig, we’re talking easily $2000-3000. I know the world has transitioned largely to streaming for TV & whatnot, but imagine if DVD players never went down in price and now cost $2000 or more. It’s pretty ridiculous, the state of the PC industry.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 07:25:04 (permalink)
A gaming pc does not have to be top end to play games. I spend about 500 on the first rig in my sig. If I bought a newer lower end GPU it would have been much cheaper, but I had the 980ti already so it was less up front. I put together plenty of sub 500$ gaming rigs cheap gaming PCs can be had. Think of it this way, do gaming consoles have the newest top end tech? No they often have mid range parts and they stay the same for the 5 or so years they are on the market. Look at 5 or so years old mid range hardware and its much cheaper then buying says a i7 and 3090.


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 08:31:38 (permalink)
I think partly the increase in pricing is due to range being expanded. A 10gb 3080 may have normally been the "top tier" card in a series, but now there's four cards above that. Appropriately, one will pay exponentially more for those cards.
 
Consoles are cheaper, but some only have space for one device or simply don't enjoy the gaming experience on a console. I can play racing games on both a PC or an xbox, but a FPS or RTS either won't play the same or doesn't exist on the xbox. 


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 08:42:23 (permalink)
i have a 3070 ti ftw3 and dont need a 3080/3090 cod,cyberpunk,redead,csgo,farcry,call of duty warzone,vanguard,cold war,modern warfare all play without any issues. and price is better. i play in 1440p

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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 08:44:20 (permalink)
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I think partly the increase in pricing is due to range being expanded. A 10gb 3080 may have normally been the "top tier" card in a series, but now there's four cards above that. Appropriately, one will pay exponentially more for those cards.
 
Consoles are cheaper, but some only have space for one device or simply don't enjoy the gaming experience on a console. I can play racing games on both a PC or an xbox, but a FPS or RTS either won't play the same or doesn't exist on the xbox. 

Yeah, but then there’s the 3-4% performance increase, if that, of the 3090 over the 3080 Ti, but at a 20% (or more) increase in price. Stuff like that just doesn’t make any sense.


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 09:07:06 (permalink)
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I think partly the increase in pricing is due to range being expanded. A 10gb 3080 may have normally been the "top tier" card in a series, but now there's four cards above that. Appropriately, one will pay exponentially more for those cards.
 
Consoles are cheaper, but some only have space for one device or simply don't enjoy the gaming experience on a console. I can play racing games on both a PC or an xbox, but a FPS or RTS either won't play the same or doesn't exist on the xbox. 

Yeah, but then there’s the 3-4% performance increase, if that, of the 3090 over the 3080 Ti, but at a 20% (or more) increase in price. Stuff like that just doesn’t make any sense.

 Absolutely ; There were way too many variants of the 30 series, we actually got over 100$ per percentage point of performance increase and many of these cards had no reason to exist other than a cash grab, I hope this practice dies with the 30 series. but leading with the 4090 may indicate a new level of stagnation engineered into the 40 series lineup. I hope downward pressure on prices continues .


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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/01 12:16:09 (permalink)
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I think partly the increase in pricing is due to range being expanded. A 10gb 3080 may have normally been the "top tier" card in a series, but now there's four cards above that. Appropriately, one will pay exponentially more for those cards.

I would argue that the range was expanded solely to create an opportunity for prices to be increased substantially.
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Re: Video Cards Are So Overpriced... 2022/06/03 13:23:58 (permalink)
Well right now as fuel prices and inflation rises, with 3080 10gb's at the 8XX mark and 3080 12gb at the 9XX mark "Think they are back up again to 1100-1200 that's a big hells no" depending on your resolution pick between the two. 1440p and below the 3080 10gb, Ultrawide 1440p and up the 12gb card, or the ti, or the 3090 or the ti.

Going to tell you things are not going to get cheaper sadly....

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