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2018/04/14 12:16:28 (permalink)
I have the X299 FTW-K and two Intel 760P M.2 drives, and the VROC key from EVGA.  In BIOS, the key and disks are detected OK and I can create the RAID.  I have the F6 RSTe drivers and load them, but Windows installer still doesn't see the RAID to install on.  Any ideas?  thanks
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2018/04/14 13:40:42 (permalink)
    This was with a Asus Hyper 16x breakout card with 4x M.2 slots, and 2 populated.  I tried with the drives in the motherboard directly but the bios says disks across VMDs wont be bootable.  So I guess it's a bust :/
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2018/05/21 22:12:10 (permalink)
    edit - got windows and the installer to see the disk, had to use newer drivers from the WinRaid forums  section C, v5.4 drivers.  Now to try installing on the Hyper x16 card...  speeds are 4577MB/s read, 2430MB/s write on 2x Intel 760P 256GB drives
     
    just an update, I'm still trying to get VROC RAID to work with the X299 FTW-K.  I've ordered the VROC key from EVGA's site, and am using 2x Intel 760P drives, and the F6 VROC RSTe driver from the EVGA support area.  The RAID is created in BIOS ok, the problem is that the Windows installer doesn't see it.  I've installed the two NVMe disks on separate PCIe adapter cards, in x16 slots 2+3, so they're on the same VMD.  Can anyone help with why the Windows installer doesn't see the RAID volume?  An existing windows install with the VROC drivers installed doesn't see it either.  Any help would be appreciated.  thanks
    post edited by avidwriter - 2018/05/21 22:41:46
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2018/05/26 17:14:47 (permalink)
    Hello Avidwritter, 

    Let us know if you are able to get VROC to work properly with your current configuration. We have not tested the Asus Hyper x16 cards with our motherboards so functionality is not guaranteed. Our team in Taiwan has only tested our X299 boards with the Intel 750P cards.
     
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2018/05/29 13:35:17 (permalink)
    Yes it ended up working.  I had to download newer VROC F6 drivers than what is on EVGAs support site however.  I needed v5.4.  Speeds are almost 6000MB/s RAID0 with two drives.  Thanks
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2018/06/11 18:09:16 (permalink)
    Do you know the key advatange of vroc raid 0 vs regular intel raid 0? I have 2x970 evo that I'm going to set up in Raid 0.

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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/27 08:19:53 (permalink)
    FYI. With x.299 Dark, Asus Hyper x16 card, no VROC key and three Intel 7600p m.2s setup at Raid 0: ATTO Disk Benchmark 4.0 test results show 3.3GB/s Write and 5-7.6GB/s reads.  Driver package 5.4 was used. 
    post edited by trohrbaugh - 2019/01/27 08:22:10
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/30 01:24:17 (permalink)
    FYI this board has the RST device ID and is not RSTe despite being X299. You can use the latest v17 RST drivers and software for F6 and inside Windows. You do not need to install the Intel Client NVMe drivers as a later NVMe driver is include in RST.
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/30 11:55:21 (permalink)
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    Do you know the key advatange of vroc raid 0 vs regular intel raid 0? I have 2x970 evo that I'm going to set up in Raid 0.




    VROC uses the CPU to avoid bottlenecking the NVMe drives when in RAID 0. If you ran RAID 0 using NVMe to SATA III adapters, you'd be bottlenecked by the SATA III speed limitation. With RAID 0 using VROC, a couple of Intel 760p M.2 drives get around 5900/3000 read/write. If you're using RAID 0 over the SATA controller with adapters you'll get around 1000/1000 read/write.
     
    Before successfully setting up RAID 0 with VROC on my Intel 760p drives, i tried VROC with my 2x Samsung 970 drives and the VROC menu in the BIOS stated that the Samsung drives were 'not supported' and the option to create a RAID array was greyed out. It seems Intel is deliberately blocking competitor's M.2 drives and not allowing them to be paired up over VROC. It's really annoying too coz the Samsung drives have superior read/write speeds compared to Intel 760p's. 
     
    I did however, manage to create a bootable RAID 0 array over CPU on an Asrock Taichi X399 motherboard along with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2920X using the Samsung 970 drives. The read/write speeds were around 6900/5000. Absolutely phenomenal results. However... the Asrock X399 motherboard and the Threadripper 2920X refused to play nice with my graphics card and sound card. In games, things were microstuttering. Over my speakers i was getting snap/crackle/pop distortion. I ended up having to RMA both the motherboard and the Threadripper CPU as they were causing massive DPC latency. I'm now using an Intel i7-9800 CPU and EVGA X299 Dark motherboard, which run absolutely perfectly with my graphics card and sound card. No snap/crackle/pop and no microstuttering. Only trouble is, the X299 platform won't let me pair up the Samsung 970's. So i had to buy a couple of Intel 760p drives and pair them up in RAID 0 with VROC instead.
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/30 13:21:03 (permalink)
    I don't know if you are aware of that but RAID is actually slower in almost everything except sequential bandwidth than a single M.2 PCIe SSD like Samsung 970 EVO or anything else from top series. Sequential bandwidth is not really important if you play games. It's where random operations and loading many small files counts the most. Things like mentioned micro stuttering can be caused because of low random bandwidth or slower access time (probably not the case but it's possible).
    What I want to say is that it's actually better to buy one higher capacity M.2 PCIe drive than set RAID.


     
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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/30 15:45:56 (permalink)
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    Do you know the key advatange of vroc raid 0 vs regular intel raid 0? I have 2x970 evo that I'm going to set up in Raid 0.




    VROC uses the CPU to avoid bottlenecking the NVMe drives when in RAID 0. If you ran RAID 0 using NVMe to SATA III adapters, you'd be bottlenecked by the SATA III speed limitation. With RAID 0 using VROC, a couple of Intel 760p M.2 drives get around 5900/3000 read/write. If you're using RAID 0 over the SATA controller with adapters you'll get around 1000/1000 read/write.
     
    Before successfully setting up RAID 0 with VROC on my Intel 760p drives, i tried VROC with my 2x Samsung 970 drives and the VROC menu in the BIOS stated that the Samsung drives were 'not supported' and the option to create a RAID array was greyed out. It seems Intel is deliberately blocking competitor's M.2 drives and not allowing them to be paired up over VROC. It's really annoying too coz the Samsung drives have superior read/write speeds compared to Intel 760p's. 
     
    I did however, manage to create a bootable RAID 0 array over CPU on an Asrock Taichi X399 motherboard along with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2920X using the Samsung 970 drives. The read/write speeds were around 6900/5000. Absolutely phenomenal results. However... the Asrock X399 motherboard and the Threadripper 2920X refused to play nice with my graphics card and sound card. In games, things were microstuttering. Over my speakers i was getting snap/crackle/pop distortion. I ended up having to RMA both the motherboard and the Threadripper CPU as they were causing massive DPC latency. I'm now using an Intel i7-9800 CPU and EVGA X299 Dark motherboard, which run absolutely perfectly with my graphics card and sound card. No snap/crackle/pop and no microstuttering. Only trouble is, the X299 platform won't let me pair up the Samsung 970's. So i had to buy a couple of Intel 760p drives and pair them up in RAID 0 with VROC instead.


    I am not getting the same read as you are getting over 5000+ in reads and I can barely reach 4000 most of the time . My writes are up there though. I have 2x512gb 760p M.2drives but how come there is a 46gb not usable and it reduces my both drives from 512gb to just 476gb and when I setups raid-0 I am only getting a combined drive of 906gb total. I don't have the VROC installed in at all since I can do raid-0 without it. I don't have the Raid-0 over enabled because I never them ports.
    post edited by badboy64 - 2019/01/30 15:57:50

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    Re: VROC Raid disk not seen by Windows installer 2019/01/31 05:40:28 (permalink)
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    I am not getting the same read as you are getting over 5000+ in reads and I can barely reach 4000 most of the time . My writes are up there though. I have 2x512gb 760p M.2drives but how come there is a 46gb not usable and it reduces my both drives from 512gb to just 476gb and when I setups raid-0 I am only getting a combined drive of 906gb total. I don't have the VROC installed in at all since I can do raid-0 without it. I don't have the Raid-0 over enabled because I never them ports.


    When you put 2 drives into RAID 0, creating the array it takes some of the space from each drive. My two 760p 2TB drives show up as 1.86TB each which gives me a total of around 3.6TB after the array has been created instead of the full 4TB. If i delete the RAID 0 array and put them back as single drives, they show up as 2TB each again.

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