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A letter sent to ESRB president Patricia Vance by United States senator Maggie Hassan calls on the rating agency to take steps to analyze and curb the proliferation of loot boxes in videogames. In a separate Q&A session with FTC commissioner nominees, the senator also suggested that if the ESRB fails to take action, the government could become directly involved. 
In the letter, and in her preamble to the FTC nominees, Hassan praised the ESRB for its effectiveness and value as an age rating board. But she also noted that loot boxes are a relatively new phenomenon, and that the ESRB "must work to keep pace with new gaming trends." 
 
"Recently the World Health Organization classified 'gaming disorder' as a unique condition in its recent draft revision of the 11th International Classification of Diseases," Hassan wrote. "While there is robust debate over whether loot boxes should be considered gambling, the fact that they are both expensive habits and use similar psychological principles suggest loot boxes should be treated with extra scrutiny. At minimum, the rating system should denote when loot boxes are utilized in physical copies of electronic games."  
She called on the ESRB to review its rating practices, with a specific eye toward the ethics and transparency of loot boxes, to collect and publish data on the use and prevalence of loot boxes, and to come up with a system of  loot box-related "best practices" for developers to give parents more control over what their children are playing, and how.  
 

 
I don't see how ESRB can do much. They can't regulate the loot boxes. Game developers can still rig them to milk customers they know will spend loads of money on them or on keys to unlock loot crates. IMO the government needs to regulate it like they do Casinos. After all it is a form of gambling.


 
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/15 07:00:08 (permalink)
    What about TV shows, 90% of  current TV shows, i wouldnt even let my kids watch. Why not do something about this trash called TV? Its not the rating system, its the networks being allow to keep making trash and parents allowing kids to watch said trash.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/15 17:44:49 (permalink)
    Good. I'm freaking tired of the loot box trend.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/15 23:29:18 (permalink)
    ESRB is a big industry extortion scam. It's existence doesn't benefit anyone except the agenda of the ESRB. For game developers this has resulted in needlessly obnoxious treatment of extorting game publishers for money and for consumers to force publishers to age gate content that doesn't need it. Like most industry self regulatory organizations it's just a mean to control the market. ESRB can go pound sand. ESRB ratings as far as consumers are concerned are completely irrelevant with no legitimate enforcement backed standard. It's real purpose is to lock out content from people that don't want to contribute to the charade that the ESRB provides a useful regulatory rating service. Just like the MPAA it's a big scam, everybody knows, and nobody can say with a straight face it does anything positive.
     
    As you can probably tell I can't stand the ESRB and it's phony baloney shenanigans. I'd love to see game publishers get called into congress and explain to America how their loot box scheme in games isn't gambling and exactly how many under 21 people are buying them because they know and we know they are specifically targeting people unable to legally gamble.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 00:19:27 (permalink)
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    ESRB is a big industry extortion scam. It's existence doesn't benefit anyone except the agenda of the ESRB. For game developers this has resulted in needlessly obnoxious treatment of extorting game publishers for money and for consumers to force publishers to age gate content that doesn't need it. Like most industry self regulatory organizations it's just a mean to control the market. ESRB can go pound sand. ESRB ratings as far as consumers are concerned are completely irrelevant with no legitimate enforcement backed standard. It's real purpose is to lock out content from people that don't want to contribute to the charade that the ESRB provides a useful regulatory rating service. Just like the MPAA it's a big scam, everybody knows, and nobody can say with a straight face it does anything positive.
     
    As you can probably tell I can't stand the ESRB and it's phony baloney shenanigans. I'd love to see game publishers get called into congress and explain to America how their loot box scheme in games isn't gambling and exactly how many under 21 people are buying them because they know and we know they are specifically targeting people unable to legally gamble.




    Really I would say the ESRB has done a great job for gaming and fully support them. When we have the supreme court playing Mortal Kombat to decide if it's protected as "Art" before the ESRB you can't say the ESRB isn't a great thing. Games like GTA would not be allowed if we didn't have the ESRB and games like Witcher 3 would probably be also toned down in ways you wouldn't like. Sniper games would also see backlash. With the ESRB they just have to put a M on the label and say that it has nudity or drug use as long as it works in the context of a story I don't mind as I am an adult.

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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 02:18:12 (permalink)
    I can see it now: AO21+ rating, must be in Nevada or other area which does not prohibit gambling, while playing.
     
    given how few companies are willing to risk an AO+ rating, AO21+ doesn't seem like it'd be very common. of course it's not likely to happen, as there's to much money from it and not enough outrage (yet) against it.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 04:51:57 (permalink)
    Did some research on ESRB. They do have some "power" on the consoles. Every console mfg requires any game made for it's system to have ESRB rating. They won't allow any game with AO rating to be sold for it's system. Do i think ESRB would slap any game that allows you to gamble real money away on loot crates, not if Activision, EA or Valve have any say in it. They make too much money to allow that to happen. 
     
     


     
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 05:52:31 (permalink)
    You can't regulate or legislate the stupid out of people. Getting the FCC involved is just a hunt for revenue generation through fines. They're looking for money, not solutions. When both sides of the fence are ethically and morally bankrupt, look for the money trail.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 11:39:34 (permalink)
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    ESRB is a big industry extortion scam. It's existence doesn't benefit anyone except the agenda of the ESRB. For game developers this has resulted in needlessly obnoxious treatment of extorting game publishers for money and for consumers to force publishers to age gate content that doesn't need it. Like most industry self regulatory organizations it's just a mean to control the market. ESRB can go pound sand. ESRB ratings as far as consumers are concerned are completely irrelevant with no legitimate enforcement backed standard. It's real purpose is to lock out content from people that don't want to contribute to the charade that the ESRB provides a useful regulatory rating service. Just like the MPAA it's a big scam, everybody knows, and nobody can say with a straight face it does anything positive.
     
    As you can probably tell I can't stand the ESRB and it's phony baloney shenanigans. I'd love to see game publishers get called into congress and explain to America how their loot box scheme in games isn't gambling and exactly how many under 21 people are buying them because they know and we know they are specifically targeting people unable to legally gamble.




    Really I would say the ESRB has done a great job for gaming and fully support them. When we have the supreme court playing Mortal Kombat to decide if it's protected as "Art" before the ESRB you can't say the ESRB isn't a great thing. Games like GTA would not be allowed if we didn't have the ESRB and games like Witcher 3 would probably be also toned down in ways you wouldn't like. Sniper games would also see backlash. With the ESRB they just have to put a M on the label and say that it has nudity or drug use as long as it works in the context of a story I don't mind as I am an adult.




    You have one distorted view of reality. You're conflating an industry charade self regulatory group with something beneficial with consumers and it somehow preserving something already covered under basic constitutional rights. From your anti 2nd amendment response in a different thread though I'm not surprised one bit. ESRB didn't save anything. They exist to make money, restrict game developers, and put on a charade, so real enforceable regulation that could benefit consumers doesn't occur. Problem is the charade is failing as gambling is now an industry standard.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/16 11:42:59 (permalink)
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    You can't regulate or legislate the stupid out of people. Getting the FCC involved is just a hunt for revenue generation through fines. They're looking for money, not solutions. When both sides of the fence are ethically and morally bankrupt, look for the money trail.




    You can most certainly regulate gambling. That is the topic at hand. If you charge money for a game of chance with a prize that has monetary value it's regulated already, except in gaming because......GAMING! It's a joke. I'd love to see these scum game publishers get what's coming. All Valve does now days is essentially pimp gambling schemes on their platform. You know it's bad when China leads in this area with at least requiring odds of winning being disclosed to players. 
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/18 13:44:30 (permalink)
    I don't think the government should get involved in gaming
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/19 00:44:59 (permalink)
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    I don't think the government should get involved in gaming




    Do you think it's right to leave it up to developers to be honest and not rig the loot crates, when real money is involved.


     
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/19 00:49:35 (permalink)
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    I don't think the government should get involved in gaming




    Do you think it's right to leave it up to developers to be honest and not rig the loot crates, when real money is involved.


    People dig their own graves and bury themselves in them. Not a fan of big brother knowing what is better for us than we do for ourselves. Personal responsibility is a life skill. Take that away from people and they have no need for critical thinking anymore.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/19 01:57:02 (permalink)
    If they want to piss off their customers they will go down the tubes without the need for the government to do it.
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/19 08:00:44 (permalink)
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    I don't think the government should get involved in gaming




    Do you think it's right to leave it up to developers to be honest and not rig the loot crates, when real money is involved.


    People dig their own graves and bury themselves in them. Not a fan of big brother knowing what is better for us than we do for ourselves. Personal responsibility is a life skill. Take that away from people and they have no need for critical thinking anymore.




    I'm no fan of big brother but sometimes it takes the government to step in, when the industry fails to do the right thing. If game publishers don't like it, they should get rid of gambling with real money on loot crates. Game publishers are making millions of dollars each month/year from loot crate gambling. We need some kind of oversight on it to make sure no publisher is rigging the system to milk customers for more money. In one F2P game i use to play, i heard stories of people spending $100-200 on one loot crate, only to not get the item they wanted out of it.
     
    If the loot crate gambling systems was reasonable, i probably wouldn't have a problem with it, but game publishers are too greedy. My idea of a reasonable (gambling) loot crate system is this. Set a hard cap of like $8 for how much a person "gambles" up to, before they get everything in that loot crate. That would make things fair for the consumer and allows developer to make some money.
     


     
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2018/02/19 12:55:15 (permalink)
    Considering government is in everything, this would just be enforcing their regulations equally. I'd love to see the algorithms and odds on loot boxes. I bet it is no less shady than internet gambling.
     
    I'm rarely for government regulation either, but in the case of gambling targeted at kids I'm for it. 
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2020/03/26 05:42:21 (permalink)
    Loot boxes can be considered gambling games for 100% , there is no big difference between loot boxes or any other online gambling activities like these ones  . I don't support the opinion that government shouldn't interfere into gambling business, I think it should. 
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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2020/03/26 07:00:14 (permalink)
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    Loot boxes can be considered gambling games for 100% 


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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2020/03/26 08:21:15 (permalink)
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    Loot boxes can be considered gambling games for 100% 


    had to release your Post from filter .. sorry for the delay



    Maybe you shouldn't have ? - for a more than 2 year old thread ..... 

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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2020/03/26 09:43:29 (permalink)
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    What about TV shows, 90% of  current TV shows, i wouldnt even let my kids watch. Why not do something about this trash called TV? Its not the rating system, its the networks being allow to keep making trash and parents allowing kids to watch said trash.




    You're joking right?!...Why is it the responsibility of the FED to raise your kids, and make sure they don't watch adult content... oh wait I forgot this is America where we legislate to the lowest common denominator because we're too stupid/lazy/entitled/ignorant to be responsible for our actions and those of our children, so we can claim plausible deniability then sue everyone!

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    Re: US senator calls on ESRB to take action on loot boxes, suggests FTC could get involved 2020/03/26 10:55:17 (permalink)
    Look, you can throw loot boxes in your games, but we should be tagging/treating them as gambling.
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