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2022/01/12 07:38:04 (permalink)
OK, filed my federal taxes and I'm getting a good chunk of change. Wile I have not gotten it yet I all ready set aside some to pay off lone to buy a washer/dryer and was still left with a few 100$.
So I bought a Abit BX133-raid motherboard and a old antec case, I know I over payed but what the heck, I been missing having a win9x gaming PC for years now.
 
Here is the sellers photos of the BX133-raid. Its over seas and the deliver ETA is mid March.

 
Sellers photos of the case.

 
 
The thing is with this build, I don't think this it will ever be done. I'll be making changes, modding things here and there witch is why I thought I post it here.
A interesting part of the build is that I might just be mad enough to water cool it. I have a old socket 462 block, and a GPU/chipset block to match. Both will need some TLC as they been setting for years.
 
 
Part 1: Retorting the water cooling parts.
The blocks have been setting for years, they were used with nothing but distilled back in the day so they need a good cleaning.
To clean the blocks I used a mix of constrained lime juice and lime away along with some 800grit sand paper. 
I let the blocks set in the lime juice and lime away for about 10 minutes, sanded them up real good, after that I let them soak for a few hours and saddened them again.
 
Before.


 
 After

 
Now I know what you're thinking, that CPU block is for 462/754, and yes that is true. I'll have to do some mods to the block in order to make it work if I want to use it. I'll likely make a custom top/mounts for it. I have some ideas in mind. I'm thinking of soldering a cooper top with fitting to the block then make a custom mounting clip.
Also look at the jet plate lol, its like a second block, boy times have changed.
 
 
 
 
EDIT:
Here are some plans I have for the build.
Retro bright the case, this gets rid of the ageing yellow plastic look. 
Add a side window to the case ? Not sure if I want to do that or not, but I might.
2 Hdd's in raid 0.
Voodoo1 or 2 sli. Voodoo2 in sli would be faster but a voodoo1 would be able to play very early glide games like MW2 and blood.
I'll be using a SB live sound card and at some point a AWE 32 or 64.
I'll use NOS BFG 500w PSU, its a early BFG unit, not but best PSU. It had 50+ amps on the 5v and has -5v. both are needed for older PCs. I'll need to get a better one later one.
I'm not sure what GPU I'll be using, the voodoo 1/2 are just a 3d card, I'll need a 2d card. maybe a GF3 or 4.
OS will be 98se with 98lite.
 
 
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/12 11:32:55 (permalink)
Part 2: The right water block.
After looking around on eBay I found a old FX z3 block, wile a maze block and by no means as good at the Alphacool NexXxos XP block, the z3 will save me a lot of work fro mhaving to make a top and mounts for the nexXxos block. 
 
A very old water block, looks to be a FX z3 witch was one of the best blocks form the very early 00's. I was going to mod a l Alphacool NexXxos XP block to fit sk370 but now that I have the FX z3 block I think I'll use it.
A review for the FX z3 block can be found at the link below. 
http://www.procooling.com/index.php?func=articles&disp=79
 
Sellers photos of the block.


 
 
As you can see the block needs work. the block still has the stock aluminum fittings and this is not 2003, we know better these days, I'll need to swap them out for brass. It looks like a lap job will be needed to and since the block’s top is screwed and glued I'm sure I'll need to replace it for a leak free seal. I'm thinking I'll solder the top of the block in place.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/12 18:50:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/01/13 09:12:50
You have an interesting build going there, and could be worth a fortune to the right buyer. 

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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/12 19:47:35 (permalink)
Part 3: ebay sellers can be trolls and scammers.
The antec case I bought, yeah the seller was a troll. He sent me a message stating he was going to toss a few drives in for free, then backed out of the sale all together. He later messaged me stating he needed to realist the case but I’m not falling for that one. After doing some more looking I found a better antec case witch has a NF2 system in it.

Now if the motherboard in the case wasn’t so suckish and had busted caps I’d probably use the NF2 system, but those blue pcb gigabyte boards from back then sucked.


Sellers photos of the case.



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You have an interesting build going there, and could be worth a fortune to the right buyer. 


You sure are right there. I had a very similar system back in the mid 00s. Granted it had the slot 1 version of the bx133-raid, (be6-II-raid) a Pin modded 1.4ghz Piii-s at 1.5ghz and if I recall a 6800gt. I loved that system and if it was not for the motherboard dying taking the CPU and slocket adapter with it I'd still have the system. The NF2 is a nice platform and I thought about fixing up the motherboard in the case I bought, but I know a NF2 system is not worth having as just about anything it can do a modern system can too. The lack of support for PCI sound card in dos and a ISA slot make a NF2 system a no go for me as I want to play dos games on the system.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/14 06:26:06 (permalink)
Part 4: lost parts and a even better block.
 
Sadly the block in Part 2 was lost by the seller. I revived a message stating he could not find it and he had to back out of the sale. However this was a blessing in the sky as I a retro PC parts collector I know had a second gen Alphacool NexXxos block with SK370 mounts, I'm hoping I can use its mounts on my 3rd gen Alphacool NexXxos block, but if not I can always use the second gen block.
 
Sellers photo of the block.

 
 
Since both the block and motherboard from coming from eastern Europe it will take a month or two to get them. So for the next part I'll be fixing up the case witch is to be deliver latter this mouth.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/19 10:13:20 (permalink)
Part 5: Picking the right add in cards.

When it comes to retro gaming PCs from the 90s and to a lesser extent the early 00s picking the right add in cards is very important. Most motherboards lack most onboard components unlike today where just about everything is integrated into the motherboard and all most users need is a gpu. To make matters worse most older games don’t always use DX or openGL but rather custom APIs made for just one brand of hardware. Even worse games that do use DX/openGL sometimes use rendering techniques newer cards lack. And that’s just GPUs. Sound cards can be just as problematic, when it comes yo dos games the game has to be hard coded for your sound card, if you want to use EXA you need a SBlive or newer sound blaster, if you want to use A3d you need an aureal card. If all that isn’t bad enough you have driver compatibility problems in windows 98. In win98 there are a few different types of drivers you can use, mix and match them can lead to stability problems.

So yeah picking the right hardware can be tricky if you want everything to work right.

For sound I have a sound blaster live, being a PCI card its not the best pick for dos games end with card being able to emulate isa sound blaster cards in dos. However I want the live for EAX for games like HalfLife. The live has both types of drives so ill have to pick the right one, if I recall the vdx driver are the ones you want to stay clear from.
For dos games ill need to pick up a ISA card, Ill ether get a sound blaster AWE32 or AWE64 gold.

For a gpu ill pick up a fx 5950/5900 ultra or ti4600/4800 along with a voodoo1 or 2 for early 3d games. The GF4/5 still have a lot of support for older rendering techniques making it a grate pick for retro gaming at higher res and fps. The voodoo is grate for early 3d games lie blood, mechwarrior2 and resident evil.

Network card is TBD. I’ll like to get a network card so that I can transfer file to and from it.

Ill use the bx133-raid motherboard’s onboard high point ide card for the hard drives and the chipsets slower ide ports for the cd drives.

Other addon cards.
Ill need to get a usb2.0 card. Ill see if I can use the one in the athalon pc I bought in part 3.


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/21 06:52:34 (permalink)
Part 6: Bait and switch and shipping issues.
So I got the 650w BFG PSU last night, well sort of lol. The PSU I got was a 300w hipro piece of junk in a 650w BFG box. I had to return it sadly. I'll try to find a old PCP&C turbo cool from back in the day, the 510w pro was a grate PSU with adjustable voltages and so on. I can use the 300w antec PSU that's installed in the case from part 3, it has a -5v rail and wile the +5v rail is kinda week it will work for setting up the PC.
 
Now here is the funny part. The UPS driver that was to deliver the case yesterday did not deliver it, instead they listed as being delivered to the summit county board of elections office and sign for by a older mayor of Akron Ohio. Yha that kinda odd lol. A quick call to UPS and I have to case being delivered today!


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/21 08:01:21 (permalink)
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they listed as being delivered to the summit county board of elections office and sign for by a older mayor of Akron Ohio. 



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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/21 08:15:06 (permalink)
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they listed is as being delivered to the summit county board of elections office and sign for by a older mayor of Akron Ohio. 



hahaha ..  ... That takes the case ( literally ) for the best story of a bungled up delivery ever ... 👍🤣😂


I know, I was like, oh boy here we go again anther item bought online I will never see.  But after looking at the tracking a little closer I was like what the heck, I know the name of who sign for the package, it's the old mayor of Akron that got caught getting a little to emotional with a city employee. Then I was like the flippy flap, why is it at the county board of elections office? Well the UPS rep was stumped too and after they made a few calls they found the package. Here's hoping I still get the case lol.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/01/22 20:42:21 (permalink)
Part 7: Received the case, but there may be another.

I received the case yesterday, its rather nice. I can temporarily use the psu, gpu and air cooled heatsink that was in it. The system must of been a dvr or something, it had a 500gb hhd, a tv tuner and a ati 9200 with a rca output.
I don’t have any photos of the case as in away from home for the weekend, but when I’m back ill post photos of it

I did get to talking to the seller of the case and he may have a better case he’d be willing to part with that I been looking for.


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/01 07:42:31 (permalink)
Part 8: Parts are coming in and more disappointment.
So I haven't been able to work on the build do to being deathly ill, I have a GI problems that make eating hard for me and to make matters worse I got a nasty bug on top of a infection in the lining of my stomach. So yeah its been fun. Anyway I'm stating to get over it all and was working on the build last night.
So fist things first, the case from part 3. Wile its super nice, its going to give me a hard time.
So the first thing I found was that the ISA slot placement on the motherboard and the height of the case is going to be a problem. The ISA slot is butted up to the bottom of the case. So if I install a ISA sound card it could short out. That can be fixed with some insulation, but that is far from ideal.
The second problem is water cooling placement, if you look closely you can see that my bx133 motherboard puts the CPU back rather far back towards the ATX I/O, so a rear mounted 80 or 92mm rad would be a tight fit. I can fit a 92mm rad up fount, even a 120mm rad if I remove the lower HDD cage, but then I'll have a mess of tubing routing. A 3rd option would be a hide everything in the ODD bay, but then I'll most likely lose the ODD drive and I can't lose that.  A 4th option would be to track down a old thermal take big water kit, if I recall those fit into 2 5.25 bay slots, but they use aluminium rads. So no mater what why I do things I'll have to compromise somewhere. So for the time being I'll air cool the system and keep an eye out for a better case to use with water cooling.
 
Now the PSU, well sadly the PSU that was in the case was junk, every cap, even on the input side was blown. I scrapped the unit and found a trubo cool 510 on eBay last night. The trubo cool 510 was one of the best if not the best PSU from back in the day, wile I was unable to find a pro model with the adjustable voltages I was able to find the basic model. Its a PSU from 2002/3 with a APF and just under what we would call 80+ today, and it has -5v and 40amps on the +5v rails. Both of witch I'll need. 
 
When I get home I'll post photos of the case and the parts so far.



Edit: here is what I was talking about with the isa slot


post edited by austin86 - 2022/02/01 20:03:56


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/01 20:15:10 (permalink)
Part 9: Putting it together and problems with ebay.

So the turbo cool 510 psu I bought, yeah ebay wouldn’t let me pay for it. Oddly ebay now puts a limit on how many items you can buy in 30 days. Apparently ebay thinks not letting users pay for items is a good thing, yeah they literally said it makes the ebay comity a better place.
I fought all day with ebay to get them to let me pay for the PSU I won but I ended up getting nowhere.
I let the seller know too who wasn’t all that happy ebay cost him a 50$ sale. I ended up closing my ebay account and strange enough ebay refunded me on every item I bought that hadn’t been delivered yet. So I called them back and once more they didn’t care.

Anyway I bought a older ocz PSU that is more or less a rebrand of the turbo cool 510 via the ebay guest check out. I bought some fans for the build from performance pcs as well.

I started to put the system together today. Here is a photo of the system so far. The GPU is a 9200se 64bit and is very temporary.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/03 08:00:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/08 07:54:11
 looking nice. look at all them dip switches up there by the drive connectors, so many choices.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/03 08:31:00 (permalink)
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 looking nice. look at all them dip switches up there by the drive connectors, so many choices.


The irony is that they're more or less useless, or at lest that is the case on the slot 1 model of the motherboard the BE6-II. The bios has priority over the dip switches so any settings you set on the dips get overridden by the bios. They're there for custom bios that lack the softmenu. If one makes a DIY bios without the softmenu the dip switches are used to set FSB, volts and so on. I'm sure its the same with the BX133-raid since they the two boards use the same bios.
 
Anyway a small update, I bought Hdd's for the system. I was just about to get a sata SSD, sata card and a 2.5" ssd pci slot mounting bracket but I know using a sata drive as a boot drive in dos/98 can get buggy. The drives I bought were 2 barracuda ata V 60gb. In raid 0 I'll be still be under 137gb so I will not have to use any 3rd party patches to fix the large hdd boot bug 98 has. I'll use a flash drive attached to the internal USB port on the pci usb card for bulk storage. I did think of using a file share but internal storage is less of a headache on old systems. Wile a SSD would have been nice old games and 98 have very little overhead in the stage department so faster HDD's are rather snappy on win98, a raid-0 setup is just as good as a SSD TBH and you don't get the DMA or trim problems ether.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/04 17:47:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/05 07:23:41
Interesting build. Oh I hope you are feeling better!

Have you considered SCSI? My whole setup in the late 90s was with a 2940UW and Cheetahs. Loud but ridiculously fast for the time.


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/05 00:14:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/05 07:23:40
Love the retro look and build. 

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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/05 07:49:16 (permalink)
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Interesting build. Oh I hope you are feeling better!

 
Thanks. I'm getting better,the nasty cold bug is gone, it was 10 times worse then covid TBH and my GI problems are starting to clear up a little.
But I need to have a procedure done for the stomach lining infection but no local hospital will allow it until covid numbers go way down. So I'm stuck with a infection in my stomach lining until who knows how long :(
I have had luck with a strain of probiotics, doesn't fix the problem but it keeps it from getting worse and stops/slows the spread so there's that.

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Have you considered SCSI? My whole setup in the late 90s was with a 2940UW and Cheetahs. Loud but ridiculously fast for the time.

Yes I would love to go SCSI, but there are 2 major problems with SCSI. The 440bx chipset uses the PCI bus for the link SB/NB witch nulls out a lot of the benefit from SCSI or even SATA over the HT370 raid controller on the board. The extra speed from SCSI is lost when using other high bandwidth PCI devices like a Voodoo, USB card and high end sound card all at once. The PCI bus only has 133mbs to work with among all PCI devices in the system inducing the SB witch is ran off the PCI bus as well.
And the second bigger problem is the drives themselves. Old SCSI drives used steel bearings and at high RPM+years of use they ware out and get loud and hot. Most if not all used old SCSI drives sound god offal and run super hot do to shot bearings. NOS drives are better at first but the grease in the bearings is so old and dry that its only a mater of time before the same happens to them. The only way around this is to use newer SCSI drives with FDB but then you run into problems with older SCSI cards, the drives use 80pin SCSI and drive size. IDE for all its downsides is a much simpler and cheaper option. If I could find newer FBD 68pin SCSI drives under 80gb in size Id be all over it. win98 does not like boot drivers over 136gb without 3rd party patches.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/07 06:50:11 (permalink)
Part 10: More parts bought and more parts arrived.
OK looks like the OCZ 420w PSU is setting at my PO, I will pick that up tonight.
I also bought something very cool for the build too, I bought a Tualatin CPU adapter. I'll have to track a 1.4ghz Piii-s down and solder the adapter to the CPU. Intel changed the pin out a we bit on the Tualatin core Piii's so you have to mod the CPUs to make them work in older boards. The adapter makes the mod a lot less work. Without the adapter you have to solder pins together with super thin wire and its not a fun task as its rather easy to desolder the pins by mistake or solder the wire to high on the pin. I seen some use conductive paint in place of soldering wire but I don't like that idea.
 
Anyway here is a photo of the adapter. 

 
The 1.4ghz Piii-s is a beast of the CPU held back by most socket 370 motherboards. Only a well build 440bx system or sis 635t board can bring out the best in the CPU. Sadly good sis 635t boards are supper rare. 440bx is a close second but the 440bx wile fast for gaming still holds the CPU back a good bit in other tasks with the lack of being able to run higher FSB speeds, UMDA33, SB being ran off the PCI bus and so on.
The interesting thing about the sis 635t chipset is that its a modified Athlon chipset, the 635t supports 166mhz FSB and ddr from the 735 AMD counterpart making for a rather fast system. In the right setup the 1.4ghz Piii-s is as fast as a 2ghz p4 and can go head to head to the Athlon XP at the same clocks assuming the motherboards are comparable. The Athlon has the benefit of later chipset like the nf2 witch can really help speed up the CPU.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/07 17:10:54 (permalink)
Part 11: it’s alive!
So I got lucky and receive not only the PSU but also the IDE cables and the HDDs.

Here’s some photos of the PSU.




The PSU is from the days of caps on the end of the cables. These tow cables are labeled for HDDs or video cards


Sadly the PSU didn’t have a detachable 24 pin cable, I used to have a tool that cut the 4 pin part off but lost it when moving, so I cut it off with some side cutters. Sadly that butchered the cable, but I’ll never need the 4pin part




I finally have enough parts to power on the system! I still need to get some parts to do some better cable management.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/07 17:18:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/07 17:34:14
I have the 600w version of that OCZ since new. I’ll be putting my DFI Opteron system back together some day. It is such a nice shiny PSU. 😊


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/07 17:25:15 (permalink)
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I have the 600w version of that OCZ since new. I’ll be putting my DFI Opteron system back together some day. It is such a nice shiny PSU. 😊


The 600w one was from a later non turbo cool platform, still a grate unit. OCZ definitely used to make some really good PSUs unlike today. Kinda funny since they bought PCP&C who made some of the best PSUs.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/08 06:36:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/08 07:43:50
Hey nice build there man!

You could give it a 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 AGP and an AWE64 Gold sound card with a 28MB Sound font upgrade and you can go full retro  with 98SE + u UnOfficial Service Pack 3.66  :)
Here more about the UnOfficial SP for 98SE:
https://www.htasoft.com/u98sesp/


Nice mainboard tho!, the one I had was the ABiT VP6 with Dual P3/EB 1Ghz CPU's
the system was fitted 4x 256MB PC-133 ECC Reg by TwinMoss which I later upgraded to 4x 512MB PC-133 ECC Reg from HP/Micron.

That were fun times


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/08 07:38:37 (permalink)
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Hey nice build there man!

You could give it a 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 AGP and an AWE64 Gold sound card with a 28MB Sound font upgrade and you can go full retro  with 98SE + u UnOfficial Service Pack 3.66  :)
Here more about the UnOfficial SP for 98SE:
https://www.htasoft.com/u98sesp/


Nice mainboard tho!, the one I had was the ABiT VP6 with Dual P3/EB 1Ghz CPU's
the system was fitted 4x 256MB PC-133 ECC Reg by TwinMoss which I later upgraded to 4x 512MB PC-133 ECC Reg from HP/Micron.
That were fun times


I do plan to put a voodoo1 in the system for older games that don't like newer cards, games like resident evlil 1 and mechwarrior 2. I"ll be dropping a fx5950 ultra into the system for the primary GPU once I find a good deal on one. 
As for the sound card, the awe64 gold sure is a good and very compatible card, but the live is far cheaper and can do everything the gold does for less then half the price. I would like to put a AWE32 or maybe a 64 gold in the system so I don't have to deal with emulated DOS drivers, if I could find one for a sane price that is lol. I recall a day when one could buy voodoo3000's for 15$ and the 5500 for 50$ and the AWE64 gold for 40$, boy times have changed.
 
 
As for VP6, that sure is a grate motherboard. BTW don't bother tying dual 1.4ghz Piii-s on the VP6, I tried it many times. The clock gen circuit has to be completely reworked on top of modding the CPU, and the normal mod/adapters don't work with the VP6. If you get lucky and don't kill the board or CPUs in the process your left with AGP2x and 100mzh FSB or a unstable system. I tried so many times to make dual 1.4ghz Piii-s in that board, its just not worth it.
 
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Nice system BTW, what case is that?
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/08 07:52:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/08 08:11:21
Wow, I thought stumbling upon my old 8800GT was retro, this is a REAL throwback. VooDoo 3 brings back some memories. Haha awesome! 


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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/08 08:00:01 (permalink)
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Wow, I thought stumbling upon my old 8800GT was retro, this is a REAL throwback. VooDoo 3 brings back some memories. Haha awesome! 


Hopefully not 24bit memories...
 
 
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For those that do not get that joke. The vodoo3 had a hacked up 24bit color support. It was more or less 22bit with a 16bit  frame buffer. So screen shots taken from the voodoo3 would always be 16bit and when set to 24bit color mode it would display 22bit color. That ended up being a bit of a controversy back in the day.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/08 09:10:06 (permalink)
Part 12: more parts bought an more parts arrived!
So I was doing some digging for a arctic NV4 video cars cooler, since I'll be air cooling for the time being wile I track down ether a better case or some older 80/92mm rads and what not. I don't know how but I found one and I bought it. It was on a somewhat shifty looking site so here's hoping I get it. My bank has to begetting tired of me buying from fishy sites and having to file charge backs when I get scammed lol. I ordered a g-1/4 tap too. I'll need that for the CPU block from part 4, its g-1/8 thread.
 
Also the CPU heat sink arrived today, its much smaller then the other heatsinks I have and will not cool as well, but it will look way better then a massive Athlon XP heatsink with a 80mm fan on it lol. I'll likely lap the heatsink to make it a smidge better. I'll post photos of the heatsink when I get home.


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As promised here is a photo with the new heatsink.


The fan that came with the heatsink was rather crummy. It rattled, was laud and pushed hardly any air at all. I has slim delta EFB fan I swapped it out for. I’ll definitely have to get a better fan if I intend to stay air cooled.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/09 06:37:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/09 07:42:50
What size is that fan?  You might be able to find a shroud adapter to install a larger fan.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/09 07:05:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby austin86 2022/02/09 07:38:04
Lookin' good....I loved Abit boards....
 
It's a blessing in disguise that you didn't get that block....agreed.
 

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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/09 07:37:55 (permalink)
Part 13: I'm broke.
So last night I found a rather nice looking FX5950 ultra, it was a reference card from MSI with a red PCB. MSI loved red PCB back in the day. Anyway I bought it, I was able to talk the seller down 50$ from his asking price but the cost still hurt my wallet.
The grate thing about the 5950 ultra unlike the 9800 pro or 9800xt is its reliability and compatibility. Yes the 9800 is far better at dx9 stuff, but what DX9 game can't be played on a modern PC? Anyway the 5950 has support for a few older rendering methods used by dx5 and older games. On top of that the FX5950 does not have the problems with randomly dying from tin solder being used on the cores BGA and subpar cooling like the 9800 dose.
Oh and if your wondering how much I payed for the card, 170$ ouch.
 
 
Part 13b: The pains of using 98.
windows 98 for as grate as it was back in the day was and still is a unstable mess.
I got 98 installed on the computer last night, everything was going grate, I got almost everything installed and the very last bit of software, daemon tools bricked the system. Yeah been there before, always install daemon tools first lol. Anyway I tried to reinstall 98 and ran into problem after problem with missing files and other errors. After trouble shooting I found nothing was wrong with the hardware but rather the problem was with the cheap CD-r I copped my 98 install on to. I used a untended 98 installer with a few things added to it that speeds up the install posses. Anyway the CD was so cheap I could see right through it and a few smudges made the disk unreadable. After I cleaned the disk it was reading fine. I'll try to get 98 installed again tonight. If it still fails I'll try the retail disk I have and install the patches and other stuff by hand. If that fails I'll use windows 2000. Windows 2000 is far more stable then 98 and makes for a grate retro gaming PC OS, only down side is its lack of dos support and for the most part that can be fixed with a dos boot disk. Only problem with that setup is not being able to load big sound fonts in dos for better midi music.
 
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What size is that fan?  You might be able to find a shroud adapter to install a larger fan.


60mm, I have a few other heatsinks that are far bigger and use 80mm fans with copper base plates. I wanted the smaller 60mm heatsink for the look. I find the smaller heatsink are better looking then a big massive one that cover the half the board. The delta EFB fan cools rather good but the fan slows way down from the resistance of the heatsink, so it would likely not last long. And TBH its a 35w CPU so cooling is not that big of a problem lol, water cooling a 35w CPU...
A quick fix idea would be to gut the stock fan and use it as a spacer along side the EFB fan, that would up the static presser a bit and relive back presser on the fan a little too. Or I could just buy a better fan, 60mm fans are cheap , but then again so am I...
 
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Lookin' good....I loved Abit boards....
 
It's a blessing in disguise that you didn't get that block....agreed.

Thanks, the aplha cool block is far better, should get it today or tomorrow. And 1+ to old ABit boards, other then the old caps they're grate.
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Re: The retro gaming build with no end in site. 2022/02/11 06:10:47 (permalink)
Part 14: Its working!!!!
So after reinstalling windows 98 5 times I found were my problem was. After installing daemon tools or the USB 2.0 driver stack the system would give all manner of fatal/illegal errors, the explorer would not run and so on. Well on the 6th try I thought Id try something different. You see I have a custom 98 install disk that allows me to set all windows components as optional so I pick what parts of windows I want, on top of that it lets me install the windows 95 shell. well the shell swap along with removing most of windows did not play well with daemon tools and the USB 2.0 driver stack. To fix this I left all windows parts intact and kept the 98 shell in place. After 98 was installed for the 6th time I installed daemon tools and the USB 2.0 driver stack then stripped windows and swapped the user shell out for the 95 shell. Well that got me further and I was able to find exactly what all parts of windows daemon tools and the USB 2.0 driver stack needed. After a 7th install I was able to get everything right! I now have 98 installed on the system, its working and stable!!! I also dropped a second 256mb stick of ram into the system bringing it up to 512mb. I know that's a lot of ram for 98, but having 512mb will allow me to have a bigger sound font in ram and still be able to play later games without taking the sound font out of ram. Sound fonts are used for midi music, dos games tend to use midis and having a bigger/better sound font makes the music sound better.
I even fired up deus ex to test the system out, and boy even at 800x600 the 9200le is slow. I'm glad I bought that 5950ultra.
 
Part 14b: The block from part 4 is in.
So received the block from part 4 and wile the top fits the block in the OP the port/fitting holes don't line up all to well with it. the Piii has a 35w TDP so its no big deal that I can't use it. I'll just use the block in part 4 as is. Now for the bigger problem with the block, it has g-1/8 threaded fitting and the placement of the fittings does not give me room to port them to g-1/4 thread. That is not a big deal as it came with fittings, but what is a big deal is the fitting size. The fittings are 6mm x 8mm compression witch is a rather odd size tube. Here in the US the closes thing you normally see is 6mm x 10mm or 1/4id 3/8od. I should be able to drill out the compression part to fit 10mm OD tubing. A second and better option is to make a new top. I have a g-1/4 tap and the top is rather simple so making a new one would be a simple task. I'll have to think about it.  Oh and the port spacing is so close that g-1.8 to g-1/4 adapters would likely not fit. Maybe I can get lucky and find some old g-1/8 barbs?
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