Scarlet-Tech
So, I am sharing this video.. did I test this personally, of course not.. I refuse to buy x299 when I already have x99.

Anyone remember when EVGA was called out for the 1070/1080 FTW frm being "too hot"? Well, here comes the rain for almost all motherboard manufacturers. The issue sounds like it could be tied to some single 8 pun cou power, but also shows with more than that.

Enjoy, and keep the discussion focused on the topic. This isn't a stock thread, this isn't to focus on EVGA delaying their release.. those are in the x299 forum.

Nooo, don't share such news...
I want to buy i7-6950X for few hundreds when early adopters start to upgrade on i9-7900X. 
 
Many of them will upgrade only because name of CPU, i9. I feel.
We need to compare i7-6950X on 4.3GHz with i9-7900X on Turbo Boost 2.0 4.3GHz.
Because that's what customers will get, except they lose solder and have thermal paste.
i7-7820X are even in worse position if upgrade from i7-6900K, they lose and PCI-E lanes and CPU is not soldered.
What they get, faster L2 Cache and lower L3 Cache.
 
We expected to Intel answer to AMD, but Intel answer with i7-7740X to Ryzen.
And they will compare only game performance. But this time owners who want answer to Ryzen need to pay 40% more expensive motherboard than X99.
Someone say that Rampage VI will cost over 650$. 
 
We need to find i7-6900K or i7-6950X and keep same platform 3 years more.
Because they will cost 500-700$ used and whole platform cost 600/1000 + 500 at least for motherboard.
But and for 500$ is with big ??? X299 Deluxe cost 490$. That'w 30-40 more than I payed Rampage V Extreme and that was most expensive board from ROG series.
Now they say Apex will cost close to 600$. INSANE. From other side 1700X + Crosshair VI cost 600$ together. That's 8 core and only clock is different from 1800X.

There was this post in the Linus Tech Tip forums.  Not sure if this is legit:
 

Posted 1 hour ago


FYI, there is a good possibility the PSU used influenced this a lot. He's using the Superflower PSU with the transparent modular connectors. That particular model uses the same 9-pin connector type for ALL connectors. So the nine pins have to support +12 V, +5 V and +3.3 V and ground connections. Thus, if the voltage drops from the PSU to the EPS12V, the VRMs have to pull more current at the lower voltage than it would if the voltage were higher thus causing them to run hotter too. It has fewer +12 V connectors on the PSU side too, so voltage drop is a guarantee.

A lot of the info above came from JonnyGuru whom I was talking with just now about this, so he alerted me to this possibility. I did let Der8aurer know via a message but not sure he'll see it anytime soon.
 

This is another comment from the video comments from Jonny Guru?
 

Jon Gerow44 minutes ago
If you used the SuperFlower PSU in the video with the crystal connectors, that's part of your problem. Those "universal 9-pin connectors" have less conductors than most other modular PSUs because the same connector that's used for EPS12V, PCIe, etc. has to also support +5V and +3.3V for Molex and SATA and then there's an "LED pin" which, when grounded to a ground pin, turns on the interface's LED. A horribly bad design. This is why the wires would be so hot. I suggest checking the voltage at the PSU and then at the motherboard's EPS12V to see what the drop looks like under load. If the voltage is significantly lower than +12V, the board is going to have to pull more current than it normally would. I then suggest using that AX1500i you have on the shelf behind you and see if you end up with the same results since that modular cable for the EPS12V is four +12V pins and four grounds. -- jonny

Sajin

mpoffo
There was this post in the Linus Tech Tip forums.  Not sure of this is legit:
 

Posted 1 hour ago


FYI, there is a good possibility the PSU used influenced this a lot. He's using the Superflower PSU with the transparent modular connectors. That particular model uses the same 9-pin connector type for ALL connectors. So the nine pins have to support +12 V, +5 V and +3.3 V and ground connections. Thus, if the voltage drops from the PSU to the EPS12V, the VRMs have to pull more current at the lower voltage than it would if the voltage were higher thus causing them to run hotter too. It has fewer +12 V connectors on the PSU side too, so voltage drop is a guarantee.

A lot of the info above came from JonnyGuru whom I was talking with just now about this, so he alerted me to this possibility. I did let Der8aurer know via a message but not sure he'll see it anytime soon.
 
 

*facepalm*

I added a quote from JonnyGuru from the comment he posted in the comments section of the video.  It will be good to see if this is truly an issue or perhaps a flaw in the testing with a PSU that perhaps does not meet the needs of x299.

 JonnyGuru is gonna test some things out tomorrow.  :)

 
Jon Gerow13 minutes ago

I have the same PSU at my office. I'm going to test it against another with the same load as mentioned in the video using only the EPS12V connector and see what the drop difference is. I'll check back tomorrow.

Anyway IT companies treat their customers like they are in communism.
Filtering information, questions without answer, etc...
 
No one ever ask why customers never get answer on 5-6 years old question.
Why thermal paste instead soldering when save cost can't be reason, it's too small difference.
But who are customers who pay 1000$ to ask or to know something like that, they done because they want, no matter because customers will have more problems and price difference is too small they done.
Comparison between i7-3770K and i7-5820K force me to think on difference, I would not like 8-10 cores with 90C and warm air from radiator.
Because you could do nothing except to completely freeze CPU on minus because with water no matter on flow, pressure, fan speed, low liquid temperature in CPU stay high constantly. In some cases customers probably cooldown IHS only not die. Because between them who knows what is...
With Haswell-E they are like one part and Broadwell-E, and Ivy Bridge-E and Sandy Bridge-E.
 

I have to disagree, at least partially to the testing method in the video.

An open air bench can result in higher temps than compared to a closed case with intake and exhaust fans and good flow setup.
 
case with no fans or poor airflow (temps highest) > open bench > case with proper and sufficient airflow (temps lowest, relatively).
 
Or is there a wind storm in the room with the open bench? Because short of even basic house fan blowing nearby, any heat generated from the open bench requires almost entirely on pure air convection to move (aside from the minuscule side effects of GPU and chipset fans, if you have them).

I'm okay with open benches (even in a terribly ridiculous overheated room) and numbers IF the numbers are in comparison to other numbers, not absolutes. Like product B runs 10 degrees cooler than product A.
 
Question, did der8auer do VRM testing on other motherboards in the past on that open test bench?
 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BqAjC4ZCc&feature=youtu.be
 
Thermal issues with vrm?  Most think that the platform is rushed and more testing needed...

I am watching this with great interest...was putting the $$ together for the upgrade...now wondering if I should just upgrade my processor on my x99

bobmitch
I am watching this with great interest...was putting the $$ together for the upgrade...now wondering if I should just upgrade my processor on my x99

We should fine some people who hurry up to sell i7-6950X.
If I find i7-6950X used for same price as new i7-7820X I would rather save 500 euro and install Intel Broadwell-E 10 cores on RVE.
That's same as I bought Ryzen, even less because Ryzen need new motherboard, and Intel 10 cores on 4.2-4.3GHz is far above 1800X.
No matter on chipset X99 or X299. All tests will compare i9-7900X on 4.3GHz vs i7-6950X on 3.5GHz, or eventually 3.3GHz vs 3.0GHz.
In review always you will see i9-7900X stock vs i7-6950X stock and difference is 300-800MHz depend how they measure, anyway Skylake is in advantage.
And looking thermal paste I'm not sure than Skylake LGA2066 is capable to reach higher frequency than Broadwell 2011.
 
And that's privilege of better choice, X99 instead Z170. 
People who decide to ignore signs and looked only on higher frequency are limited to 4 cores.
Now and Intel see that mainstream should go on next level, 6 cores. 
I never doubt that X99 is great platform, and good decision, only negative side of X99 is performance of Ryzen.  
But even that could be changed when price of i7-6900K and i7-6950X drop.
Now looking critics about X299... X99 look as perfect. Even cheap i7-5960X is great choice, special solid samples.
And no one can't say that 4C/8T on 5.0GHz are better choice than 6-8C/12/16T on 4.5GHz, only in some games 4-5 fps more.
That's nothing because all of them are overkill for games. Better few fps lower than 30% slower in anything not limited to 4 cores. 

I will stick with my Rampage 10 and 6850k until Threadripper! I saw a 6950 on Heat for $800!

KLEYBA
AMD pwnes!!!

Right...

mpoffo
See this link:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showpost.php?p=140451&postcount=3
 
I am not exactly sure where this brings us. Seems like other need to try this as well and recreate his testing. 

That tells nothing about the vrm... That is psu based. We need VRM answers.

I submitted my question to his page. No reason to go through multiple people to try to ask what I can directly ask him, lol.

AMD has given Intel a severe case of Pwnagitis

silentoption
does EVGA have anything they have to say about X299 FTW-K motherboard does it have VRM issues as well?

Not yet. Wait for them to release the board and see how it performs.