Everyone want i9 in signature.
 
But I would like somehow to beat 1800X with 8 cores.
That's real thing. Then Intel fans as me could show people that they don't need to pay 500$ for 1800X.
Better to add 90-100$ more and they will have same number of cores, more PCI-E lanes, better PCH with more PCI-E lanes and better memory copy-write-read results. That's idea, better in every segment. 
If EVGA decide to go with same price as for X99 series with motherboards than premium AM4 motherboards are not much cheaper.
Because other X299 are 30-40% more expensive than X99.
 
 
I like single threaded performance of Skylake-X.
Only thermal paste spoil everything. But not for long, I hope someone will finally to be brave enough to try cooler directy on die.
That's better temps than soldered CPU or delidded with good thermal paste.
 

He probably get few phone calls how to explain previous clips.
People start to scare from X299. 
But manufacturers must be sure that if problem exist he could costs people a lot,
because i9 generation will need best motherboards for overclocking with 8+8 pin EPS.
Problem is because there is a lot of people who install processors with 8 and 10 cores in 150-250$ worth motherboars.
Many people not care for PSU only for CPU and GPU and Case with a lot of LED lights.
But we remember that Intel jump to resolve problem when P67 chipset made problem.
 

Yea Threadripper with 12 cores destroyed completely i9-7900X and I would not be surprised to 1950X beat Intel 18 cores.
We need to check performance in games and maybe is time to support AMD because they tried hard to give more, Intel tried hard to give less even when Ryzen beat all of their processors with same or less number of cores together with models two times more expensive than Ryzen. 
That mean Intel push people to spend significant higher price for nothing.
Litterary for nothing. Maybe customers should turn head from Intel and give him opportunity to launch something better after 2066 and until that happen ignore Intel's price, specifications and performance. Because thermal paste and because cutting PCI-E lanes and because high price.
Intel no more offices in my region of Europe, I think at all and I will much easier to find cheaper AMD CPU. 
I could build Ryzen premim build for 350+350 euro...
1800X + Crosshair VI Extreme. That's as Intel i7-7820X. AMDs CPUs are always available on some discounts constantly price change.
From other side for Intel I need to pay 600 + 500 for same class if I want 8 cores and best platform ROG Extreme.
And premium motherboards for AMD are cheaper. I can't remember when Intel premium ROG motherboard class Extreme cost 349$. 
Plus ROG motherboard for Ryzen have angled 24 pin connector.
 
 

We shouldn't blame him, he is figure in much bigger game.
Gaming and IT industry today bring huge profit and IT industry grow much bigger than many other things and people who lead that could easy over night to find other persons to present their hardware and overclocking. People who work that could make not huge but good profit selling hardware they get for reviews and on overclocking events. They could bye good cars, maybe house after few years and they don't want to lose chance to work what they like because wrong words. Sometimes under wrong words is true.
And most of people would done same, not risk if they could buy Mercedes selling hardware.
You see that people who pay hundreds even thousnads dollars for hardware don't get simple explanations about things they want to know...
Such things not exist in other part of lives, no one will pay single dollar if you nicely not explain every detail. People here years don't get answer why Intel use thermal paste when that is far inferior method for protection die and cooling processor later. And Intel ask 1000-2000$ dollars for peace of sillicon, that cost them 50-60$ to produce. Every year for every generation is same question... Paste or fluxless solder method and every time answer is different than buyers want and no explanation why. They can't profit more than 50-60.000 dollars total on that way. If they decrease cooling and overclocking for so small price than we really should ask self why we even look price and performance of such processors.
I afraid that answer is even worse for customer than saving cost and that Intel want to decrease overclocking and sabotage people to drain more performance from their procesorrs and even to sell more processors to buyers who destroy own samples with delliding or lose warranty because Intel will not replaced delidded processors. That's real answer not saving cost, maybe saving cost, but together with this advantage for Intel and disadvantages for buyers.
And price of hardware will grow, every year less and less people will have chance to play games on highest settings.
Good part of people will not be able to pay so much and other part will don't want to pay so much for hardware.
Today for one graphic card high class you could buy very expensive weapons, you could buy elite compound bow from highest class or even crossbow with optic from very expensive materials.
I save 6 months money for one graphic card. Before 5 years I could bought two of same for same money. That mean price is exactly doubled from 2011. 
So much cost one graphic processor and they arrive every 10-12 months and become outdated. That mean you can kill bear with compound bow and for 10 years but with graphic card for 5 years is useless peace of plastic, could give picture on oudated monitor. But profile of buyers influence a lot on price, and hysteria of early adopters seriously increase price of hardware. 
 

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Yea Threadripper with 12 cores destroyed completely i9-7900X and I would not be surprised to 1950X beat Intel 18 cores.
We need to check performance in games and maybe is time to support AMD because they tried hard to give more, Intel tried hard to give less even when Ryzen beat all of their processors with same or less number of cores together with models two times more expensive than Ryzen. 
That mean Intel push people to spend significant higher price for nothing.
Litterary for nothing. Maybe customers should turn head from Intel and give him opportunity to launch something better after 2066 and until that happen ignore Intel's price, specifications and performance. Because thermal paste and because cutting PCI-E lanes and because high price.
Intel no more offices in my region of Europe, I think at all and I will much easier to find cheaper AMD CPU. 
I could build Ryzen premim build for 350+350 euro...
1800X + Crosshair VI Extreme. That's as Intel i7-7820X. AMDs CPUs are always available on some discounts constantly price change.
From other side for Intel I need to pay 600 + 500 for same class if I want 8 cores and best platform ROG Extreme.
And premium motherboards for AMD are cheaper. I can't remember when Intel premium ROG motherboard class Extreme cost 349$. 
Plus ROG motherboard for Ryzen have angled 24 pin connector.
 

My sense is that AMD will gain a good following again.  Which I think is a good thing.  I have bought and used AMD in the past but not recently.  The benches I saw were comparing a 16 core TR to a 10 core 7900x.  In one sense it is completely fair since they both have the same price points.  In the other sense they are comparing a 16 core vs 10 core chip.  So if a TR with 6 extra cores is only beating the 7900x by 20-30% faster it makes me wonder.  I could be wrong here but it appears that core by core Intel will offer a faster chip.  Imagine what would happen if cost was not the issue.  Do we see Intel make adjustments to their prices now or later....perhaps never?  Time will tell I suppose.

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1.  He indicates that he thought all the hype generated by his x299 disaster video was funny in a sense, overblown.

 
This, coming from a guy who titled the video a "disaster"?

I think he is a reputable guy but the title seems to be a bit "click baitish"

I agree. I actually had the opportunity to talk to him in the hardwareluxx forum where he wrote at launch of X299 on a regular basis sharing his information. 
 
He works for Caseking who also sell pre-build and pre-overclocked systems. They test them for stability with prime95. Essencially if the system withstands the worst case it would be declared stable. But with the early X299 boards they came to the conclusion that none of the boards could hold up to their expectations. So this is literally a disaster for their business. Because ppl will definitely use prime95 to check their systems. And if a full run fails under the garanteed advertised overclocks then this is big problem for the company.
 
Admittedly this got him a lot of attention and recognition around the interweb, free advertisement basically. He played it nicely.
 
Others jumped on the hypetrain, too. Tiny Tom Logan from OC3D made a video about VRMs, where he said he couldn't reproduce the issue der8auer found. So I pointed der8auer into his direction. I like Tom Logan for his honest reviews, but he overlooked some options in the bios and didn't use the correct Prime95 settings. The outcome of it was this collab video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h2p5383ubw&t=616s