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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 09:08:37 (permalink)
Use zinc primer after you drill the hole before you put the rivets in

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 11:11:43 (permalink)
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Use zinc primer after you drill the hole before you put the rivets in

is that the stuff you put in the acorn nut when joining aluminum to copper wires?
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 12:08:16 (permalink)
this stuff mate we use it at the work when the zinc gets burn off due to welding and what not
https://www.fenceshop.uk/cromadex-alu-zinc-primer-aerosol.html

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 12:30:48 (permalink)
Finally figured a way to show the rivet holes:

 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 12:39:01 (permalink)
that looks like it could work really well
 

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 16:31:04 (permalink)
I think it will work like a champ.  I got special rivets that are designed to join sheet metal to plastic.  They rip apart and flower.  The flowering will be going on inside each hole.  I think 24 may be a bit excessive, but you guys know how I do...

 
Oh, the Marine Grade HDPE sheet just arrived.  I am kind of speechless.  It's almost as stiff as aluminum to begin with.  To think it only has to hold 2.5 lbs per corner.   Its currently cutting on my machine and it cuts like butter.  I honestly can't tell the difference between this stuff and Delrin.  Probably have some pics up in the next few hours. 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 21:33:08 (permalink)
The mating ring came out... for lack of a better word perfect.  Pics tomorrow.  It's after midnight and I have to get up in 5.5  hours =/
 
1 more to make.  Then the next obstacle...  How would I cut a 2' x 4' sheet of steel (0.02" thick) leaving a good edge.  My 14" wood bandsaw is too fast, my metal bandsaw isnt deep enough for a 12" rip, shears will deform the edge...   
 
Suggestions anyone?  Maybe if I replace my cordless circular saw blade with carbide tooth blade, and put a sheet of masonite on top, so the blade shears on the steel and with a wood backing for support? 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/10 21:53:21 (permalink)
Sawzall or a jig saw with metal blades. Trick to the sawzall with metal is go slow. If you go fast the blades get dull fast.
A high speed grinder with cutoff wheels. Or even the grinder wheel itself.
Take it to a shop and let them use a plasma cutter and cut it for you.
Buy a plasma cutter and cut it your self.

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/11 04:09:10 (permalink)
they cut on the upstroke right?  So a piece of masonite (i have a bunch of it) can help from making the steel curl ya think?  maybe sandwich it completely so it doesn't distort on the up or downstroke....
 
I was complaining about $400 for aluminum... you know how much a plasma cutter costs?  :P
Plus it will be a pretty sloppy edge.  I think the jigsaw will be a decent option.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/11 06:05:03 (permalink)


 
Shower pole slides right through like a charm:

(high res: https://i.imgur.com/R4Bjno7.jpg)
 
Super excited for the build now!
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/11 10:40:08 (permalink)
a better look at the back of the scope.  There will be 12" 1/2-13 aluminum threaded rods with the factory 2 lb counterweights used as needed.  The wooden ring will be threaded to fit these rods.  I already looked into replacing the wood with the HDPE plastic.  Nope... costs too much. 

 
Also here is the way I plan to secure the scope:

The brackets are secured by metal clamping material similar to a radiator hose clamp worm gear type.  Also bolts go through the mount, that bolt the mating rings directly to the mating rings of the rear assembly.  Then bolted up through the dovetail into those mounting brackets.  Double the strength (i hope)
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/11 11:08:48 (permalink)
Yes, sawzall and jigsaw cut when the blade retracts back.
The edge will have to be sanded or filed down to make it smooth.
A cutoff wheel on a drill or grinder will be fairly smooth edge .
Masonite would help keep the metal rigid and will make a guide to keep the cut on the line.

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/11 19:55:17 (permalink)
two down, two to go:

 
Will probably get a sheet of the 26 gauge steel and experiment cutting next.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/12 09:21:29 (permalink)
Looks very good Nateman, of course... On cutting it sounds like you have a couple good ideas, but what about a Dremel?? I love mine for many different things. Coming along quite nicely!! 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/14 06:48:41 (permalink)
I used both yours and bills suggestions.  For cutting the length of steel, I used a piece of masonite on top of the steel (since the jigsaw cuts in the up direction), and for cutting out the large hole for the focuser tube, I used the dremel with cutting discs as per your suggestion.  Maybe some picture today.  
 
Aww hell there will be pictures today.  I am picking up my Atlas tripod mount... so now I can finally put this cardboard tube build on top of a mount and see how well it works.  Very excited and nervous at the same time.  Full go-to mounts are NOT cheap at ALL.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/14 09:24:17 (permalink)
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 Will probably get a sheet of the 26 gauge steel and experiment cutting next.
 

Why not carbon fiber ?  $21.00  www dot ebay.com/itm/Carbon-Fiber-Cloth-Fabric-2x2-Twill-50-3k-6oz-203-43gsm-Commercial-Grade/131688779234?hash=item1ea9434de2:g:My4AAOSwEzxYZsdm.. It is lighter and stronger than steel, given the same dimensions.  Since you are doing an open truss design the amount you need is minimal.  Looking at the pics, it looks like one 36" x 50" sheet cut in half for one layer would do both of the tubes.  14" mirror correct so the tubes are approximately 15" or so in diameter ?  I would buy two though for two layers, which is what I did for mine. You can even use the steel you already bought as the form for the fiber.

 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/14 13:56:34 (permalink)
Damnit... you guys need to subscribe to this post and tell me these things earlier!  :) 
 
I have no idea how to mess with that stuff.  Either way I will look into it now.  the OD of the tube is 15".  Using 26 gauge galvanized steel sheet.
 
 
Some pics as promised... but no pics of the mount yet.  Will be setting it up tonight.
 

Clamps done.  Was planning on just 8, but I had enough material for 16 so I made them all.  Not sure if I will use that many though.
 

first picture of the upper tube assembly.  Those fancy rivets were crap.  The steel mandrel needs to be aluminum.  The plastic has too much give in in.  
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/15 07:36:14 (permalink)
Was just figuring out how my new mount works when I took a few pictures.  Visual only, no stacking of photography programs involved:
 
The beehive:

Was still figuring out the polar alignment.
 
The Pleiades:

Damn, cut off one of the stars.
(high res: https://i.imgur.com/r5OgD90.jpg)
 
Was aiming for the horsehead nebula, and got this instead:

(high res:https://i.imgur.com/SmYSDgW.jpg)
 
And my best photo of the night of the Orion Nebula:

(high res: https://i.imgur.com/Rxdp00x.jpg)
 
Again, nothing is perfect,  I am still figuring out things.  It was VERY difficult because the screw that holds down the finder scope sheared off, so I had to align a scope with no finder scope.  For those of you who have ever tried such a feat... with its in the single digits knows how trying it can be.
 
Will be outdoors more later in the week, but will keep updates on the new scopes production as parts arrive.   Feel free to subscribe and chime in if you have any suggestions to offer.  Ordered these rivets to try out instead of those "flowering" ones: 
 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/16 06:00:04 (permalink)
Installed some clamps last night:


They hold well.  The dont completely immoblize the steel poles just because the clamping material is slippery as hell, but they do keep it from sliding up and down the pole.  I think I will go all out and use all 16 clamps.  That should keep things solidly in place.  Weighing in at a stunning 0.5lbs for all 16.  Worth it.
 
Finally a picture of the new mount:

The scope on there is the 10" astrograph reflector.  Took an additional 6" of leverage to use the same 2 counterweights for the 37lbs scope to balance.  Or pay $50 for a third counterweight.  So a 6" section of 1/2" threaded rod which I had laying around... or $50 counterweight.  Wasn't a hard option.  Sadly I had to tap the mount to 1/2-13 threads because metric everything.
 
So imagine that mount with a telescope MUCH larger on in.  Size comparison for fits and giggles:

 
More updates later.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/16 09:17:33 (permalink)
Nice Orion pic!

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/17 06:20:28 (permalink)
These rivets are no bueno as well.  Being thicker then 1/8" the mandril is stronger and still pulls them through.  
 
Just have to go with regular 1/8" aluminum blind rivets. 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/17 07:55:33 (permalink)
Can you use screws or something like a #8 nut and bolt? Maybe easier in the long run.
Maybe use some blue locktight on the threads to keep them in place.

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/17 17:16:45 (permalink)
I like the idea of maintenance free rivets.  Plus lighter weight then nut/bolt.  each ring as 24 connections, so you would be looking at ...ready... a lot of screwing around ;)
 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 15:15:49 (permalink)
Cutting the last rings:


 
Setting them up to check alignment:

 
and a look at the clamps:

 
Sad news, my poles are probably 2" too short.  I have 2 options.  Buy astoundingly more expensive poles, or pay more for some hella thick plastic to make 8 new clamps that are 1.5" thick instead of what you see as 0.5" thick.
 
I can get 0.05 walled thick steel for $24 each, or "rigid aluminum tubing 0.065 wall thickness for $23.00, or reproduce 8 clamps 1.5" thick for over $100
 
The steel tubing matches best with what I have now, and the scope will still weigh in at 32 lbs, or the aluminum which will be the same size but lighter.  Going from $7.00 shower poles to almost $100 dollars doesn't sit well with me.  
 
I am open to suggestions.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 15:20:22 (permalink)
do all the shower poles come in at the same length? (as they are all x long ) or can you find where to get longer ones and have you tried a plumbers wholesaler for the same dia of poles to length

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 15:42:32 (permalink)
They were random (and the only) shower poles in this length that I found at Lowes.
 
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-60-in-Chrome-Single-Straight-Zinc-Fixed-Shower-Rod/50014244
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 15:44:39 (permalink)
can you do a search on the same poles but longer like you need or are they max length that they do
 

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 17:09:50 (permalink)
How about emt conduit  homedepot dot com/b/Electrical-Electrical-Boxes-Conduit-Fittings-Conduit/N-5yc1vZbohl
comes in different sizes but it is I.D. so check the specs for O.D.


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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/18 23:55:14 (permalink)
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How about emt conduit  homedepot dot com/b/Electrical-Electrical-Boxes-Conduit-Fittings-Conduit/N-5yc1vZbohl
comes in different sizes but it is I.D. so check the specs for O.D.


BRILLIANT!!  As long as the OD is 1", then it should work like a charm.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2018/01/19 08:28:09 (permalink)
Hi Nateman,
 
I love astronomy to bad it has been to cold lately to work on my astrophotography but here is my best pic of Andromeda, Jupiter, the Moon and Orion's nebula. I have a lot to learn and I need a better camera suited to make these pics better. These were taken with a cannon T5.

 

 

 

 


The Eclipse August 21, 2017

 
 
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