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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 13:12:33 (permalink)
might just have to have a look up at the sky the tomorrow morning on the way to work at daft a clock, last 2 weeks hardly a cloud in the sky so getting some good views but its freezing

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 13:22:27 (permalink)
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Wow! Why is this so expensive?!:
LUNT - 230MM HA TELESCOPE W/ INTERNAL ETALON AND B3400 BLOCKING FILTER @ $22,000
 
and this looks more like what I may look to get in the future.
Celestron CGX Equatorial 1100 HD11" f/10 GoTo Telescope B&H # CECGX1100HDT
 
Need to do a bunch more research on the subject though. I'm kind of excited about this now :D
 


different telescopes have different quirks about them.  Some of them cost so much because of the optics.  The mounts usually cost more because of all the high tech tracking and object finding.  There are deals to be had though.  Go on Cloudy Nights forum.
 
I just scored a 10" astrograph reflector, rings/dovetail, and auto guider camera for $300.  The telescope ALONE is over $600.   I am also in the processing of acquiring an Orion ATLAS PRO mount.  Holds up to 40 lbs.  
 
Those telescopes like the Celestron CGX 11" make good astrophotography scopes because you dont have to mod them for astrophotography.  They have long focal lengths.  with reflectors all you have to do is modify the scope is move the primary mirror up a bit and you can use your DSLR.  If you dont plan on taking pictures then I would go with a reflector.  Reflectors also give the stars the 4 point look.  its called differential spikes from the spider vanes up in the front holding the secondary mirror in place. 
 
Here is the mod I made to my 14" scope:
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/597866-how-to-achieve-focus-with-an-orion-xx14i-orion-dobsonian-and-a-canon-dslr/?p=8203176
You will have to do this with most reflectors.  The particular scope I just acquired has a low profile focuser so I should be able to achieve focus with it without having to mod it.
 
 
 
 
 


Makes me want to build a viewing terrace in my house! lol 
 
How do you protect your scopes for transport? Do you usually travel far to get better viewing areas? Does light pollution from cities play a large role in viewing and photo quality?
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 15:58:35 (permalink)
Considering I live in NJ, the light pollution is TERRIBLE.  
 
I am VERY new to astrophotography, so you are welcome to get into it and we can walk through it together.  But first you need some equipment.  
 
I want to build a platform on my roof.  I am currently rebuilding my 14" telescope to shave over 20 lbs off it.  Trying to get it from 60 lbs to under 40 lbs, because that is the recommended max weight of the Optical Tube Assembly (OTA) just for fun.  The 10" Astrograph reflector is going to be the norm, and the 14" for observing, but if I can get the 14" on the mount then I am dying to see what type of pictures one can take with a 14" with tracking :)
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 16:06:51 (permalink)
I'll have to read up more about it and get a started kit going :)
 
Thanks again for all the info and for piquing my interest in this again. Those photos you shared are AWESOME!
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 16:34:19 (permalink)
oh this is great! Love the pictures of the night sky. My street is waay too lighted for me to do anything but will be moving in the near future so hopefully have a chance to get into viewing the night sky.  I study astrophysics so my regular astronomy knowledge is not as strong as my knowledge on the distance objects and how they move =D. 
 

 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 17:25:59 (permalink)
Then welcome aboard wiz... glad to have you along for the ride.  I will probably post some pictures of the telescope build I am working on tonight to make things interesting.
 
Anyone going outside to see the Geminids?  clouds are going to be rolling in soon and will be ruining the view =/ 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 19:55:05 (permalink)
I just went out to look, no good here, cloudy as can be. Snow on its way too.

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/13 21:22:10 (permalink)
First glimpse of my home made telescope:







 
Original on the left, new on the right.  

Won't be as pretty by any means. but it will fall WAY under the 40 lbs I am trying to achieve.  which means a 14" telescope with tracking!  Still more to come. 
 
Geminids are a bust tonight - snow rolled in.  Maybe tomorrow? 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/15 18:02:57 (permalink)
Mirror fits like a champ.  

 
So far I have about 80% of the work done, and I am weighing in at about 28 lbs :)

 
 
From 68 LBS down to 28.  When all's said and done It will fall well under the 40 lbs recommended weight of my mount.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/15 19:45:53 (permalink)
Oh you Haaaaandy! 
 
Looking AWESOME!
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/15 21:17:27 (permalink)
You're always up to something. Wish I had half your energy.!!!!!!
Keep up the good work, I like work, I watch you work on all these things and not break a drop of sweat.

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/16 05:57:33 (permalink)
honestly this has been on of the easiest projects I have tackled so far ;)
 
All I am doing is reproducing something already there.  It does help to have the CNC to make those wooden rings and aluminum mirror retainer though.
 
Focuser and secondary mirror installed:


 
Lined up pretty well as seen with the reflection of the drill:

 
I am all set to go test it out.  The plan is to slide the 2 units together (along those poles) and slide up and down until it comes into focus looking through a camera lens (since this is an astrophotography build). 
 
If I was a smarter person I would do the maths  to figure out the spacing between the primary and secondary and whatnot but since math isn't my strong point, I made it ridiculously adjustable.  After that those poles you see go away and I build actual aluminum struts.  They may or may not stay depending on how I feel and how much extra weight vs rigidity they add.
 
Those poles are $6.00 shower curtain rods.  Can't find a cheaper section of lightweight hollow 1"OD steel anywhere else.  That was actually a crucial part of the build.
 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/17 18:37:10 (permalink)
Test was a success.  The shower poles did their thing, providing an easily adjustable unit.
 





 
Measuring the distance between the front assembly and the rear was the biggest question of the entire build.  I now have the answer I was looking for.


 
Just inserted the camera, and put the focus about halfway in the middle and moved it until the distant mountain came into focus.  Collimation wasn't important.  Since the focus was in the middle it gives me some wiggle room.  Not to mention I can move the mirror itself forwards if need be...  31" is a good spot.
 

 
Now struts will be made to length and all the finer details like paint and scope rings can be made.
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 07:37:11 (permalink)
Cut all the material for the struts:

 
using a lightweight aluminum U channel.  Then once the struts are made the shower poles disappear and I will trim the front assembly to cut down on the extra wood.  I MAY leave a single shower pole hole just to move it around and use it as a carry handle.  I am still not sure until I try and pick the unit up buy the struts.  I don't see them bending since the scope is overall lightweight, but you just never know until you try.  So I will keep my options open.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 10:50:54 (permalink)
Such a cool project, Nateman!! I think it may be a good idea to leave one pole like you said for a handle. Is there any need to paint the interior a dark color? I am wondering if it may help with picture quality [light refraction]? Thanks for sharing your project, I find it very interesting.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 10:56:37 (permalink)
Glad you like it!  It really is a simple thing to do if you want to make one as well.
The interior needs to be as matte black as possible.  I am considering coating it with a felt type fabric to enhance the contrast.  The exterior will be painted as well if for nothing else but moisture protection.  This will never be out in the rain because no one observes through a telescope on a cloudy day, but still humidity could get in it... and its nothing but pine plywood and cardboard.  I look forward to having it all trussed up tonight.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 17:29:55 (permalink)
Struts installed, and they "work".  You can even pick up the telescope by them. 
 
A few unforeseen things like taking into account the height of the T-nuts embedded in the wood.  Also I used ultra conservative ones so not to split the ends.  I drilled the holes to big for some so they pop out easily.  ordered some new ones that have more bite and will epoxy them.  Now I have to figure out a solution to the excess height while some now hardware is on the way.   
 
Collimated the telescope and it actually works.  Propped it against an open window and saw stars.  A huge hurdle for this will be getting the center of balance on the lower half of the unit or I have some extreme engineering to overcome.
 
unfortunately my phone took a dump, so no pictures for a few days until a new one arrives.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 20:13:29 (permalink)
187 hits in the past 2 hours... Lurkers... LOG IN AND SAY HELLO.  Clearly you care enough about astronomy to look at this thread right?  Say hi!   :)
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/19 22:20:12 (permalink)
Your doing an amazing job on the telescope nateman, and I am sure there are many that are enjoying your build progression.  

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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/20 01:58:31 (permalink)
Another meteor shower Fri.-Sat.  The 2017 Ursid meteor shower will peak overnight  this week on Friday and Saturday (Dec. 22-23).  https://www.space.com/34973-ursid-meteor-shower-guide.html  I hope the weather cooperates for those interested. 
 
 
So the parts you are using are from your nice telescope in post 1?  ...
How do you figure out how to do all this cool stuff? [Is Google your friend?] That's quite impressive.
I would be stuck in the thinking about it phase....
 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/20 04:22:45 (permalink)
The Ursid's aren't anywhere as nice as the Geminids or Perseids, but its there nonetheless.  I plan to poke my head out as the clouds FINALLY cleared last night.  Haven't seen the sky in 2 weeks.  Wasnt really heart broken about 2 weeks of clouds since thats about how long it took me to build the scope.
 
Didn't really google too much, just that the design that my scope originally was, and other home made scopes follow the same truss design.  Since I avoid math as much as possible I designed it around adjustability.  Now if I can't get the center of balance on the larger tube section... I may have some more work ahead of me.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/20 04:24:28 (permalink)
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Your doing an amazing job on the telescope nateman, and I am sure there are many that are enjoying your build progression.  


I just want them to say hello.  People that love astronomy are a very open bunch.  Hell, some astronomer could be looking at my build and see some critical error I missed or an awesome suggestion... but I will never get it, cause he/she is a lurker and doesnt join the forums and say hello.
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/22 16:59:21 (permalink)
Halloween Asteroid orbits every three years. Sept. 2018 is next pass. I say it's a month early..... 
 
https://www.space.com/39173-halloween-asteroid-2015-tb145-returns-2018.html  
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/22 21:43:48 (permalink)
It looks like a neanderthal head.  Was looking at that article earlier.  It's so hard to spot those things because they aren't big enough to reflect much light like a planet sized object and not a star that gives off its own light.  If people knew how hard it was to see these things they would fall over in disbelief. 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/22 22:27:23 (permalink)
Finally got a new camera, so here are the promised pictures:

 
Still didn't paint it yet, or trim off the excess wood where the shower rods were used.  Struts installed, new hardware, and infinitely stronger then it was.  I can pick up the entire scope with 1 hand and we cut the weight of the original tube almost completely in half.  Original OTA (gray tubes in the background) specs say its 63 lbs.  This thing clocks in at 34.lbs
 
Sadly the center of gravity is about 4-6" forward of the rear tube.  If I leave it as is, I can make a single ring around the rear tube assembly, and make some sort of bracket to clamp to the struts to hold the scope to a dovetail, but that will render it unable to rotate, and make shroud design difficult.  Not being able to rotate it isn't the end of the world since its purpose is astrophotography, but I do have to look through it to do the star alignment process, and that shroud is critical to keep excess light from getting in the void where the struts are.  
 
I do think I have a solution...I figured I can add some weight to the rear of the scope and still fall under the 40 lbs.  I also figure I can make maximum use of physics by installing a counterweight at a distance off the rear of the scope.  Imagine installing a 2 lbs weight directly on the back of the scope will move the center of balance back towards the tube.  a 2 lbs weight on the back only increases the weight to 36 lbs... But taking that 2lbs weight and installing it 12" off the rear of the tube, that would far more drastically move the center of gravity while still weighing in the same 36 lbs (minus the structure which holes the weight out).  It will look awful... but it can potentially put the center of gravity where I want it.
 

(high res: https://i.imgur.com/TyvXCm6.jpg)
The size comparison is crazy.  10" 1000mm focal length vs a 14" with 1650mm focal length.  The 10" pictured next to it will likely be the full time astrophotographer.  Its much easier to move that thing around despite it being heavier.  Far less bulk.  Also its a back-up plan should the 14" not work.  This was nothing more than an experiment.  So far it seems successful, but until I get it on a mount... I just wont know.  
 
Either way, this is where I stand at the moment.  Around 2 weeks to build a telescope from scratch.  Not bad for my first time :)
 
 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/23 02:35:09 (permalink)
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/27 06:27:42 (permalink)
Confirmed physics last night.  Threw a small counterweight 3 feet off the back end of the scope and it threw the center of balance off much closer in the direction I wanted it in.  It was just an experiment.  Will be dialing it in in the coming days to account for the camera and making it somewhat adjustable.
 
In other news, Christmas brought a "pretty" scope for my youngest.

 

 
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/28 07:25:46 (permalink)
Ever wonder what our galaxy will look like after it collides with Andromeda?  Here is a look 36 billion years in the future:

You're welcome. 
 
I left the simulation running overnight.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/29 06:09:13 (permalink)
confirmed physics. 

the slide-able weight sets the center of gravity in the center of the mirror tube.  

as horrible as it looks, it cost zero dollars.  I used one of the wood cutouts, and left over aluminum rails from the struts.  All to keep the costs down for this experiment.  Also did a bit of grinding on the struts to eliminate hard edges.
 
Up next, painting, final assembly and making some rings to hold this thing.  The scope itself weighs in at 39.something lbs.  trimming some of the corners off the front will also help.  but with the camera it will likely weigh 40 lbs if not a hair over.  Not the end of the world.  Still shaved a 68 lbs scope down to 40 lbs.  Objective met.  
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Re: The Astronomy Thread 2017/12/29 15:36:59 (permalink)
One step closer...

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